Canon drops the Gauntlet, New G11 and S90

Rico · 08-20-2009, 10:02 PM

Canon should have made the sensor bigger then kept it at 10mp in the 2/3" size. Would have made the lens a wider field of view too.

k100d · 08-21-2009, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by Rico

Canon should have made the sensor bigger then kept it at 10mp in the 2/3" size. Would have made the lens a wider field of view too.

then the cameras would no longer be as small

Jasvox · 08-21-2009, 07:14 AM

That G11 isn't exactly "small".

Jas

Rico · 08-21-2009, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by k100d

then the cameras would no longer be as small

A 2/3" sensor would fit just fine in the G11. I don't think anyone is using that size sensor any more. Olympus had used them in their cameras with the same size and target audience as the G11. I think it was the 8080 series.

Blue · 08-21-2009, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by Jasvox

That G11 isn't exactly "small".

Jas

Next to a dSLR the G10 is small. I haven't seen the G11 yet but expect it to be similar in size. It is even smaller than many of the "hybrids."

k100d · 08-21-2009, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by Rico

A 2/3" sensor would fit just fine in the G11. I don't think anyone is using that size sensor any more. Olympus had used them in their cameras with the same size and target audience as the G11. I think it was the 8080 series.

you mean like this one? Olympus C-8080 Wide Zoom Review: 2. Specifications: Digital Photography Review

Rico · 08-21-2009, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by k100d

you mean like this one? Olympus C-8080 Wide Zoom Review: 2. Specifications: Digital Photography Review

That's the one.

k100d · 08-21-2009, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Rico

That's the one.

that thing is ginormous and weighs more than a K100D

dylansalt · 08-21-2009, 02:17 PM

Canon is quickly following on the tail of the new Fuji EXR 200 which boasts a new pixel design said to increase DR by a huge amount.

It sure does but imo the pics look crap.

The Canon G11 is now boasting a "super sensitive" ccd with 10mp to increase DR.

Too be quite honest I think the IQ of these compacts leaves a lot to be desired compared to a dslr sensor.

Dyl

raymeedc · 08-21-2009, 02:44 PM

Canon consistently comes out with the best compacts. When going compact, I currently shoot with a Powershot G6 & a Powershot S70, ancestors of these two new models. The G11 is the first G camera since mine that has tempted me. As for the S90, what a pleasant surprise reissue..... I could never understand why they abandoned that model line in the first place. If it wasn't for a huge disappointing missing feature, I would look to be purchasing one soon..... an optical finder. It's a trend I just don't understand, especially in a camera obviously meant for serious photographers. I guess I'll stick to my S70 for now.

k100d · 08-21-2009, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by dylansalt

Canon is quickly following on the tail of the new Fuji EXR 200 which boasts a new pixel design said to increase DR by a huge amount.

It sure does but imo the pics look crap.

The Canon G11 is now boasting a "super sensitive" ccd with 10mp to increase DR.

Too be quite honest I think the IQ of these compacts leaves a lot to be desired compared to a dslr sensor.

Dyl

No canon is following the Panasonic LX3's blazing success which can't stay stocked at any time. why it took so long for these companies to actively compete with that camera who knows.

the gap b/n P&S and SLR quality is narrowing ... slowly but surely. it will happen when we can get D3 performance out of a camera phone. then imagine all the insecure photographers everywhere

Originally posted by raymeedc

If it wasn't for a huge disappointing missing feature, I would look to be purchasing one soon..... an optical finder. It's a trend I just don't understand, especially in a camera obviously meant for serious photographers. I guess I'll stick to my S70 for now.

i think mostly because most P&S optical finders are shit. to make a real good optical finder is expensive and probably not worth it from a marketing standpoint.

johnmflores · 08-21-2009, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by k100d

the gap b/n P&S and SLR quality is narrowing ... slowly but surely. it will happen when we can get D3 performance out of a camera phone. then imagine all the insecure photographers everywhere

LOL for sure. Even now, a G11/LX3/serious compact in the hands of a good photographer can embarrass an amateur with a big checkbook and equally large full frame dSLR!

dylansalt · 08-22-2009, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

LOL for sure. Even now, a G11/LX3/serious compact in the hands of a good photographer can embarrass an amateur with a big checkbook and equally large full frame dSLR!

For sure

But take a Km (light & compact) with a half decent lens in good hands and it will thrash the G10 et al with superior IQ.

A friend of mine who has enough experience in photography has one and I have seen a lot of pics - and yes it produce lovely pics of a creamy & smooth quality which can be very alluring but at the end of the day he is still trading better IQ for compact portability

The G10 is beautifully built and if I was going to get a prosumer compact it would be the one.

Below a G10 Pic - iso 80 Auto, jpg, on board sharpening at max, -2/3 exp comp dialled in

Even though this a beautiful photo there is a distinct lack of detail and clarity even with sharpening cranked up (also the shot has been resized down which should increase detail) I'm also amazed that with all that snow the G10 wanted to overexpose??

A km with a 15mm lens imo would give far superior results

Dyl

Jasvox · 08-22-2009, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Blue

Next to a dSLR the G10 is small. I haven't seen the G11 yet but expect it to be similar in size. It is even smaller than many of the "hybrids."

I didn't say it was DSLR sized, but hardly think making the sensor a millimeter or 2 larger would affect the current body size of the G11. The sensor is the same size as the G10...only 33% less MP count. This is groundbreaking?

At the end of the day, this is just another P&S with the usual advertising/marketing gimmicks for a model which will be replaced next year with something that claims it is even better. Normal stuff.

Jas

Blue · 08-22-2009, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Jasvox

I didn't say it was DSLR sized, but hardly think making the sensor a millimeter or 2 larger would affect the current body size of the G11. The sensor is the same size as the G10...only 33% less MP count. This is groundbreaking?

At the end of the day, this is just another P&S with the usual advertising/marketing gimmicks for a model which will be replaced next year with something that claims it is even better. Normal stuff.

Jas

Actually you said it wasn't exactly small.

Originally posted by Jasvox

That G11 isn't exactly "small".

Jas

However, if you meant that they could put a bigger sensor in there, you should have said that. However, I don't know how tight stuff is in one due to not having taken one apart.

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08-20-2009, 10:02 PM	#31
Rico Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,205	Canon should have made the sensor bigger then kept it at 10mp in the 2/3" size. Would have made the lens a wider field of view too.

08-21-2009, 05:04 AM	#32
k100d Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,911 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rico Canon should have made the sensor bigger then kept it at 10mp in the 2/3" size. Would have made the lens a wider field of view too. then the cameras would no longer be as small

08-21-2009, 07:14 AM	#33
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	That G11 isn't exactly "small". Jas

08-21-2009, 07:53 AM	#34
Rico Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,205	Originally posted by k100d then the cameras would no longer be as small A 2/3" sensor would fit just fine in the G11. I don't think anyone is using that size sensor any more. Olympus had used them in their cameras with the same size and target audience as the G11. I think it was the 8080 series.

08-21-2009, 08:05 AM	#35
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Jasvox That G11 isn't exactly "small". Jas Next to a dSLR the G10 is small. I haven't seen the G11 yet but expect it to be similar in size. It is even smaller than many of the "hybrids."

08-21-2009, 08:22 AM	#36
k100d Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,911 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rico A 2/3" sensor would fit just fine in the G11. I don't think anyone is using that size sensor any more. Olympus had used them in their cameras with the same size and target audience as the G11. I think it was the 8080 series. you mean like this one? Olympus C-8080 Wide Zoom Review: 2. Specifications: Digital Photography Review

08-21-2009, 09:08 AM	#37
Rico Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,205	Originally posted by k100d you mean like this one? Olympus C-8080 Wide Zoom Review: 2. Specifications: Digital Photography Review That's the one.

08-21-2009, 10:20 AM	#38
k100d Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,911 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rico That's the one. that thing is ginormous and weighs more than a K100D

08-21-2009, 02:17 PM	#39
dylansalt Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Durban, South Africa Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,052	Canon is quickly following on the tail of the new Fuji EXR 200 which boasts a new pixel design said to increase DR by a huge amount. It sure does but imo the pics look crap. The Canon G11 is now boasting a "super sensitive" ccd with 10mp to increase DR. Too be quite honest I think the IQ of these compacts leaves a lot to be desired compared to a dslr sensor. Dyl

08-21-2009, 02:44 PM	#40
raymeedc Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 951	Canon consistently comes out with the best compacts. When going compact, I currently shoot with a Powershot G6 & a Powershot S70, ancestors of these two new models. The G11 is the first G camera since mine that has tempted me. As for the S90, what a pleasant surprise reissue..... I could never understand why they abandoned that model line in the first place. If it wasn't for a huge disappointing missing feature, I would look to be purchasing one soon..... an optical finder. It's a trend I just don't understand, especially in a camera obviously meant for serious photographers. I guess I'll stick to my S70 for now.

08-21-2009, 02:52 PM	#41
k100d Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,911 Original Poster	Originally posted by dylansalt Canon is quickly following on the tail of the new Fuji EXR 200 which boasts a new pixel design said to increase DR by a huge amount. It sure does but imo the pics look crap. The Canon G11 is now boasting a "super sensitive" ccd with 10mp to increase DR. Too be quite honest I think the IQ of these compacts leaves a lot to be desired compared to a dslr sensor. Dyl No canon is following the Panasonic LX3's blazing success which can't stay stocked at any time. why it took so long for these companies to actively compete with that camera who knows. the gap b/n P&S and SLR quality is narrowing ... slowly but surely. it will happen when we can get D3 performance out of a camera phone. then imagine all the insecure photographers everywhere Originally posted by raymeedc If it wasn't for a huge disappointing missing feature, I would look to be purchasing one soon..... an optical finder. It's a trend I just don't understand, especially in a camera obviously meant for serious photographers. I guess I'll stick to my S70 for now. i think mostly because most P&S optical finders are shit. to make a real good optical finder is expensive and probably not worth it from a marketing standpoint.

08-21-2009, 03:43 PM	#42
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by k100d the gap b/n P&S and SLR quality is narrowing ... slowly but surely. it will happen when we can get D3 performance out of a camera phone. then imagine all the insecure photographers everywhere LOL for sure. Even now, a G11/LX3/serious compact in the hands of a good photographer can embarrass an amateur with a big checkbook and equally large full frame dSLR!

08-22-2009, 09:59 AM	#43
dylansalt Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Durban, South Africa Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,052	Originally posted by johnmflores LOL for sure. Even now, a G11/LX3/serious compact in the hands of a good photographer can embarrass an amateur with a big checkbook and equally large full frame dSLR! For sure But take a Km (light & compact) with a half decent lens in good hands and it will thrash the G10 et al with superior IQ. A friend of mine who has enough experience in photography has one and I have seen a lot of pics - and yes it produce lovely pics of a creamy & smooth quality which can be very alluring but at the end of the day he is still trading better IQ for compact portability The G10 is beautifully built and if I was going to get a prosumer compact it would be the one. Below a G10 Pic - iso 80 Auto, jpg, on board sharpening at max, -2/3 exp comp dialled in Even though this a beautiful photo there is a distinct lack of detail and clarity even with sharpening cranked up (also the shot has been resized down which should increase detail) I'm also amazed that with all that snow the G10 wanted to overexpose?? A km with a 15mm lens imo would give far superior results Dyl

08-22-2009, 11:20 AM	#44
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	Originally posted by Blue Next to a dSLR the G10 is small. I haven't seen the G11 yet but expect it to be similar in size. It is even smaller than many of the "hybrids." I didn't say it was DSLR sized, but hardly think making the sensor a millimeter or 2 larger would affect the current body size of the G11. The sensor is the same size as the G10...only 33% less MP count. This is groundbreaking? At the end of the day, this is just another P&S with the usual advertising/marketing gimmicks for a model which will be replaced next year with something that claims it is even better. Normal stuff. Jas

08-22-2009, 01:14 PM	#45
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Jasvox I didn't say it was DSLR sized, but hardly think making the sensor a millimeter or 2 larger would affect the current body size of the G11. The sensor is the same size as the G10...only 33% less MP count. This is groundbreaking? At the end of the day, this is just another P&S with the usual advertising/marketing gimmicks for a model which will be replaced next year with something that claims it is even better. Normal stuff. Jas Actually you said it wasn't exactly small. Originally posted by Jasvox That G11 isn't exactly "small". Jas However, if you meant that they could put a bigger sensor in there, you should have said that. However, I don't know how tight stuff is in one due to not having taken one apart.