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08-16-2010, 07:34 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by dylansalt Quote
Hi Peter

Interesting to see that you now have the D700/300;-)

I can remember a while back how you defended the K7 and the KX as the kinda perfect partnership - is this still so?

I have been sitting on the fence re: change to Nikon ff and remember your comments from a
another thread and actually decided to hold off.

Keen to know your new thoughts and findings using Nikon equipment

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Hey Dylansalt, I assume Peter will answer you well, but I'll add my input as well since I also owned the K-7 and K-x duo for a bit.

Owning the K-x did help to make up for the K-7's shortcomings above ISO 3200, but I found it an imperfect solution. The K-x isn't weathersealed and the K-7 is largely the better camera in everything but sensor, so I usually ended up using the K-7 more often, somewhat defeating the point of getting the K-x in the first place, besides giving me the ability to go on assignments with two cameras. Since my sister in law was needing a camera anyway to take photos of her soon to be born child, I decided to sell the K-x to her at a good price and wait for the next offerings from Pentax.

Now if you want full frame, and can afford it, there are as you know some benefits of going that way. So that is a viable option that shouldn't be discounted.

If you like your Pentax stuff, though, and don't need the full frame benefits, I'm hoping the new camera Pentax cameras will perform better at high ISO and eliminate the choice Pentax users have been forced to make between good camera (not that the K-x was bad by any means, just not up to the K-7's level) and good ISO performance.

I'd wait for Photokina to make a purchasing decision if you can. Not just because I think Pentax will come out with something good, but also because if Nikon, Canon and Sony come out with new full frame stuff it will probably mean some decent full frame cameras will start to become available on the used market for good prices.

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Nice shots, guys.


Couple more from the 180 at a parade the other day:


All at f/4



















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Some high-ISO examples, most with the 50 1.8. As I said in that now-gone thread, the camera's ability to lock focus quickly in really low light like this astounds me as much as the native high-ISO performance.


1) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/25s and 2) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/100s


3) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/10s and 4) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/50s


5) ISO 5600, f/2.8, 1/200s, 28mm (lens: Tamron 28-75 2.8)


6) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/60s (50 1.8 again) and 7) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/20s


8) Only ISO 2000, but af-lock was instant, as was this expression captured:
(f/2, 1/80s) and 9) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/25s


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QuoteOriginally posted by deadwolfbones Quote
Either every Nikon lens I've used is great, or the D700 sensor makes every lens look good.

Some from me:





More later.
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All very good Ben, and that 16-35 looks clean & sharp & tasty. But the one above is pro-quality, IMO, good capture. The facial expression is wonderful. Nice PP too.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Peter Zack Quote
I'll play. Haven't had the camera long and not many "personal shots" yet. Nice work Jay.






I love that shot, Peter!

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QuoteOriginally posted by jsherman999 Quote
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Some high-ISO examples, most with the 50 1.8. As I said in that now-gone thread, the camera's ability to lock focus quickly in really low light like this astounds me as much as the native high-ISO performance.


1) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/25s and 2) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/100s


3) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/10s and 4) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/50s


5) ISO 5600, f/2.8, 1/200s, 28mm (lens: Tamron 28-75 2.8)


6) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/60s (50 1.8 again) and 7) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/20s


8) Only ISO 2000, but af-lock was instant, as was this expression captured:
(f/2, 1/80s) and 9) ISO 6400, f/2, 1/25s
What astounds me is the DR
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Thanks Jay. These 3 own 2 mustangs and a vette. They are all brothers and one is seriously ill. They hired me to do a shoot with them and the cars while the one is still healthy. Other shots have all three cars.

I used an SB800 on an SC29 a few feet off camera, then with a flashwaves, had 3 softboxes double diffused with approx 1400 watts on the side opposite the sun. it's the first time I've shot cars. It's not that easy with all the shiny surfaces.
I was approx 12 feet above them for this shot.

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Thanks a lot, Jay. Means the world coming from you.
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Hi

Definitely why I have held off - but then Nikon will probably put the d3s sensor into the new D700
and I reckon that's all I will ever need

Whether Pentax can produce anything that can challenge the Nikon FF remains to be seen.

If they could take all the innards of the D700 and put it into a K7 body - nirvana!

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I'm beginning to see the full frame offerings this way:

Nikon -- the best all around cameras (if you don't use video). Great, super expensive zooms.

Canon -- the best lens lineup (in terms of variety) for fullframe. Second best cameras at the moment. Best video by far.

Sony -- the best deal for the 24 mp D3X sensor, shake reduction, some unique high quality lenses (thinking about that 135 mm lens in particular)

That sound about right to you guys?
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Sounds about right to me.

I don't know if I'll upgrade to that "new D700," but it sure does sound tempting.
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I seriously doubt Pentax will catch up to Nikon

I seriously doubt Pentax will catch up to Nikon

D700 is Nikon's own sensor, not a Sony made item.

Pentax has no ability to roll their own sensors

D700 is a great camera today, 2009, 2008. Back then it was $3000

I suspect when D700 gets updated it won't sit at $2398 to start.

Then one will wait a year for price drops on D800, D700x or D700s.
So we're on edge of years 2012-2013
for lower cost deals on D700 replacement.

Once you have a Nikon camera inhand then you can shop for deals on Nikkor lenses.
As time passes those deals will dry up...

Adding Nikon D700 today will cost less than waiting till 2012
to see if Pentax is ever able or cares to respond to 24x36 sensor:

With 21st century designed full frame lenses, of course.


Anyways, very enjoyable Dark Side thread. Thanks !!!





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Hi

Definitely why I have held off - but then Nikon will probably put the d3s sensor into the new D700
and I reckon that's all I will ever need

Whether Pentax can produce anything that can challenge the Nikon FF remains to be seen.

If they could take all the innards of the D700 and put it into a K7 body - nirvana!

Dylan
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QuoteOriginally posted by Samsungian Quote
I seriously doubt Pentax will catch up to Nikon

D700 is Nikon's own sensor, not a Sony made item.

Pentax has no ability to roll their own sensors

D700 is a great camera today, 2009, 2008. Back then it was $3000

I suspect when D700 gets updated it won't sit at $2398 to start.

Then one will wait a year for price drops on D800, D700x or D700s.
So we're on edge of years 2012-2013
for lower cost deals on D700 replacement.

Once you have a Nikon camera inhand then you can shop for deals on Nikkor lenses.
As time passes those deals will dry up...

Adding Nikon D700 today will cost less than waiting till 2012
to see if Pentax is ever able or cares to respond to 24x36 sensor:

With 21st century designed full frame lenses, of course.


Anyways, very enjoyable Dark Side thread. Thanks !!!
Samsungian, you are always so negative. I feel that's why you get into so many fights with people on this forum, even with those people who should agree with you. Why not just look at the positives that each brand can offer instead of being like "Pentax sucks and always will, neener neener neener" all the time. That's what I'm trying to get out of this thread anyway, the positives of full frame, not the negatives of Pentax.

On this note, I wanted to mention that from looking at the shots from Deadwolfbones, jsherman999 and Peter Zack in this thread, one thing that has stuck out to me is how much the shots from full frame from them look like the photos they have taken with Pentax cameras. This isn't an argument against full frame, however, it's more an observation that photographic style transcends brand or camera or lens. This said, brand or camera or lens does give each particular photographer more options to express his or her particular vision or style.
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Your evaluation sounds about right. Samsungian does come across that way a bit too much. There are a ton of reasons that Pentax can stay with or even exceed the herd. The new Sony sensor is certainly one. The much improved K-x AF and high ISO's are another. Ignore him, he'll just get you off a thread if you read his posts.

No doubt that the shooting style doesn't change that much with a different sensor. Some things change but I know I still "see the world" the same as I did a month ago. What has changed is the higher ISO opportunities and the speed of the camera in several ways. It's what I like about the K-x. It's a fast and responsive little camera with a bunch of great features. I finally decided to keep the K-x as my Pentax unit. It's not perfect and will probably be replaced with whatever replaces the K-7 at some point. But it's a very capable camera that offers me a few things the Nikon's don't. (D300 ad D700) like SR, small size, video, etc.
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