Some Full-frame shots & thoughts

deadwolfbones · 05-07-2012, 10:00 PM

I think the Zeiss 21 is probably your best bet for maximum edge to edge sharpness. The Nikon 14-24 is no slouch, though.

bossa · 05-07-2012, 10:08 PM

Yeah, I was looking at tests reviews for the 14-24... ta

jsherman999 · 05-07-2012, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by bossa

Here's a guy raving about a few Nikon lenses that haven't had the greatest of test reports (i.e. 24/1.4 & 24-70) so I really can't believe his statements without some reservations:
And the Nikon D800 autofocus saga continues (with some comments on specific lens performance) ? Ming Thein | Photographer

Many folks in Nikon land have a love/hate relationship with that guy's D800 posts... One the one hand they are nice to have, he did a good job with examples, language, presentation and clarity in the reviews. But he speaks completely from a standpoint of pixel-level sharpness, he hasn't done enough to make that clear, and because of that his posts are being misinterpreted to some degree.

Basically - every one of his lenses resolves more on the D800 than his D3, and the images displayed at the same sizes as before look better (or in some cases, with very slow shutters speeds or high-ISO, the same.) His 'dissatisfaction' comes from viewing at 100%, and a 100% 36MP image shows details magnified quite a bit more than a 100% 12MP shot. So, he sees flaws at 100% that had no detail at all present in the 12MP shot - and he's becoming unsatisfied by that. Folks are interpreting his dissatisfaction as being with the images that are produced, in other words some think the printed or web-displayed image will look worse on the D800 than the D3 or D700 if the lens is sub-par. That's absolutely not the case.

Quote:

Finding a decent wide angle that's sharp edge to edge might be impossible.. maybe a Zeiss? I really want to milk the sensor for urban and landscape work.

To maximize that sensor, you may need to go Zeiss. But to get more out of it than you ever could with a D3 or D700, you can shoot any lens you would have shot on the D700.

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v5planet · 05-07-2012, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by jsherman999

Many folks in Nikon land have a love/hate relationship with that guy's D800 posts... One the one hand they are nice to have, he did a good job with examples, language, presentation and clarity in the reviews. But he speaks completely from a standpoint of pixel-level sharpness, he hasn't done enough to make that clear, and because of that his posts are being misinterpreted to some degree.

Basically - every one of his lenses resolves more on the D800 than his D3, and the images displayed at the same sizes as before look better (or in some cases, with very slow shutters speeds or high-ISO, the same.) His 'dissatisfaction' comes from viewing at 100%, and a 100% 36MP image shows details magnified quite a bit more than a 100% 12MP shot. So, he sees flaws at 100% that had no detail at all present in the 12MP shot - and he's becoming unsatisfied by that. Folks are interpreting his dissatisfaction as being with the images that are produced, in other words some think the printed or web-displayed image will look worse on the D800 than the D3 or D700 if the lens is sub-par. That's absolutely not the case.

To maximize that sensor, you may need to go Zeiss. But to get more out of it than you ever could with a D3 or D700, you can shoot any lens you would have shot on the D700.

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This reminds me of all the people shouting "the K-5's sensor will outresolve all your <$20,000 lenses, therefore it is not worth upgrading" nonsense when that camera came out.

TOUGEFC · 05-07-2012, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by bossa

My next door neighbour:

100% crop:

Great shot Steve, looks very impressive at the crop!
If you happen to take a portrait for any lady's, be care full you dont show them 100% crops!

Originally posted by bossa

I think Simon is right about the blue channel on these Nikons. I am finding that blues are cooked a bit unlike the K5. It's kinda like Ektachrome v Kodachrome.. (K5 being the latter)

Good to hear Im not the only one thinking this...

bossa · 05-07-2012, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by TOUGEFC

Great shot Steve, looks very impressive at the crop!
If you happen to take a portrait for any lady's, be care full you dont show them 100% crops!

Good to hear Im not the only one thinking this...

....LOL

bossa · 05-07-2012, 11:22 PM

I expected to see bacteria and cells... the D800E is a failure!

dexmus · 05-08-2012, 12:15 AM

_quicksilver_ · 05-08-2012, 07:11 AM

It seems the whole "FA limited lens club" gang is here with their new FF cameras!

I really like this thread, keep em coming!

I haven´t lost all hope for a Pentax FF just yet, going to shoot film in 35mm and MF for a while..

the swede · 05-08-2012, 11:44 AM

But im the only one who sold all three in a week, and didnt move to FF

But i have a path to FF

As much as i love the 16-85 VR, the 50 1.8G stays mounted...

gtxtom · 05-08-2012, 12:10 PM

Picked it up today! I have to wait until I get home to test it out though ... Good news is I charge the battery while working and set some of the menus up.

jsherman999 · 05-08-2012, 03:36 PM

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dpreview D800 full review was ---> just published.

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TOUGEFC · 05-13-2012, 02:31 AM

I got a a phone call yesterday saying the D800 I ordered 2.5weeks ago is ready to be picked up. I told them to give it to the next person in the line.

Im really happy with the D700 and dont regret it at all plus saved $2000

I will pick one up later on or the D600.
One thing I really like on the D700 is the switch on the back which makes it so easy and fast to switch back and forth between different focus settings, I would really miss that on the D800.

Anyway a couple shots from today

Grandpa's glasses

On another note my 85 G comes tomorrow

bossa · 05-13-2012, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by TOUGEFC

I got a a phone call yesterday saying the D800 I ordered 2.5weeks ago is ready to be picked up. I told them to give it to the next person in the line.

Im really happy with the D700 and dont regret it at all plus saved $2000

I will pick one up later on or the D600.
One thing I really like on the D700 is the switch on the back which makes it so easy and fast to switch back and forth between different focus settings, I would really miss that on the D800.

Anyway a couple shots from today

Grandpa's glasses

On another note my 85 G comes tomorrow

Nice shots Simon but who's going to clean up the fairy dust? These shots still have that same snap and tone you seem to get no matter what you use.

TOUGEFC · 05-13-2012, 04:06 AM

Thanks Steve, it must be all from the Asashi strap thats on my D700

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05-07-2012, 10:00 PM	#1231
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	I think the Zeiss 21 is probably your best bet for maximum edge to edge sharpness. The Nikon 14-24 is no slouch, though.

05-07-2012, 10:08 PM	#1232
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Yeah, I was looking at tests reviews for the 14-24... ta

05-07-2012, 10:14 PM	#1233
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237 Original Poster	Originally posted by bossa Here's a guy raving about a few Nikon lenses that haven't had the greatest of test reports (i.e. 24/1.4 & 24-70) so I really can't believe his statements without some reservations: And the Nikon D800 autofocus saga continues (with some comments on specific lens performance) ? Ming Thein \| Photographer Many folks in Nikon land have a love/hate relationship with that guy's D800 posts... One the one hand they are nice to have, he did a good job with examples, language, presentation and clarity in the reviews. But he speaks completely from a standpoint of pixel-level sharpness, he hasn't done enough to make that clear, and because of that his posts are being misinterpreted to some degree. Basically - every one of his lenses resolves more on the D800 than his D3, and the images displayed at the same sizes as before look better (or in some cases, with very slow shutters speeds or high-ISO, the same.) His 'dissatisfaction' comes from viewing at 100%, and a 100% 36MP image shows details magnified quite a bit more than a 100% 12MP shot. So, he sees flaws at 100% that had no detail at all present in the 12MP shot - and he's becoming unsatisfied by that. Folks are interpreting his dissatisfaction as being with the images that are produced, in other words some think the printed or web-displayed image will look worse on the D800 than the D3 or D700 if the lens is sub-par. That's absolutely not the case. Quote: Finding a decent wide angle that's sharp edge to edge might be impossible.. maybe a Zeiss? I really want to milk the sensor for urban and landscape work. To maximize that sensor, you may need to go Zeiss. But to get more out of it than you ever could with a D3 or D700, you can shoot any lens you would have shot on the D700. .

05-07-2012, 11:04 PM	#1234
v5planet Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Seattle Photos: Albums Posts: 1,915	Originally posted by jsherman999 Many folks in Nikon land have a love/hate relationship with that guy's D800 posts... One the one hand they are nice to have, he did a good job with examples, language, presentation and clarity in the reviews. But he speaks completely from a standpoint of pixel-level sharpness, he hasn't done enough to make that clear, and because of that his posts are being misinterpreted to some degree. Basically - every one of his lenses resolves more on the D800 than his D3, and the images displayed at the same sizes as before look better (or in some cases, with very slow shutters speeds or high-ISO, the same.) His 'dissatisfaction' comes from viewing at 100%, and a 100% 36MP image shows details magnified quite a bit more than a 100% 12MP shot. So, he sees flaws at 100% that had no detail at all present in the 12MP shot - and he's becoming unsatisfied by that. Folks are interpreting his dissatisfaction as being with the images that are produced, in other words some think the printed or web-displayed image will look worse on the D800 than the D3 or D700 if the lens is sub-par. That's absolutely not the case. To maximize that sensor, you may need to go Zeiss. But to get more out of it than you ever could with a D3 or D700, you can shoot any lens you would have shot on the D700. . This reminds me of all the people shouting "the K-5's sensor will outresolve all your <$20,000 lenses, therefore it is not worth upgrading" nonsense when that camera came out.

05-07-2012, 11:05 PM	#1235
TOUGEFC Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,561	Originally posted by bossa My next door neighbour: 100% crop: Great shot Steve, looks very impressive at the crop! If you happen to take a portrait for any lady's, be care full you dont show them 100% crops! Originally posted by bossa I think Simon is right about the blue channel on these Nikons. I am finding that blues are cooked a bit unlike the K5. It's kinda like Ektachrome v Kodachrome.. (K5 being the latter) Good to hear Im not the only one thinking this...

05-07-2012, 11:21 PM	#1236
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by TOUGEFC Great shot Steve, looks very impressive at the crop! If you happen to take a portrait for any lady's, be care full you dont show them 100% crops! Good to hear Im not the only one thinking this... ....LOL

05-07-2012, 11:22 PM	#1237
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	I expected to see bacteria and cells... the D800E is a failure!

05-08-2012, 07:11 AM	#1239
_quicksilver_ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 207	It seems the whole "FA limited lens club" gang is here with their new FF cameras! I really like this thread, keep em coming! I haven´t lost all hope for a Pentax FF just yet, going to shoot film in 35mm and MF for a while..

05-08-2012, 11:44 AM	#1240
the swede Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,310	But im the only one who sold all three in a week, and didnt move to FF But i have a path to FF As much as i love the 16-85 VR, the 50 1.8G stays mounted...

05-08-2012, 12:10 PM	#1241
gtxtom Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Philly Posts: 395	Picked it up today! I have to wait until I get home to test it out though ... Good news is I charge the battery while working and set some of the menus up.

05-13-2012, 02:31 AM	#1243
TOUGEFC Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,561	I got a a phone call yesterday saying the D800 I ordered 2.5weeks ago is ready to be picked up. I told them to give it to the next person in the line. Im really happy with the D700 and dont regret it at all plus saved $2000 I will pick one up later on or the D600. One thing I really like on the D700 is the switch on the back which makes it so easy and fast to switch back and forth between different focus settings, I would really miss that on the D800. Anyway a couple shots from today Grandpa's glasses On another note my 85 G comes tomorrow

05-13-2012, 03:11 AM	#1244
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by TOUGEFC I got a a phone call yesterday saying the D800 I ordered 2.5weeks ago is ready to be picked up. I told them to give it to the next person in the line. Im really happy with the D700 and dont regret it at all plus saved $2000 I will pick one up later on or the D600. One thing I really like on the D700 is the switch on the back which makes it so easy and fast to switch back and forth between different focus settings, I would really miss that on the D800. Anyway a couple shots from today Grandpa's glasses On another note my 85 G comes tomorrow Nice shots Simon but who's going to clean up the fairy dust? These shots still have that same snap and tone you seem to get no matter what you use.

05-13-2012, 04:06 AM	#1245
TOUGEFC Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,561	Thanks Steve, it must be all from the Asashi strap thats on my D700 BW version-