Some Full-frame shots & thoughts

bossa · 06-22-2012, 08:08 PM

I just picked up my new 70-200VR2 and I really feel guilty. I'll post some shots later when I get back from a field trip.

noons · 06-23-2012, 12:27 AM

Haha, enjoy it Steve! Be careful though. It's damn heavy!

TOUGEFC · 06-23-2012, 12:30 AM

Awesome Steve, hope your enjoying it! Go easy on your back though mate

bossa · 06-23-2012, 12:57 AM

Hehe.. Cheers!

Yeah, my arms are a tad sore after my walk around. I haven't worked out in the gym for a few weeks after the back issue. Earlier I compared a few identical shots from the DA50-135 to this and I have to say that lens kicks arse. If the new Pentax is 24mp it really would be a nice combo and almost rival this camera and lens ( as you say, this thing weighs a ton).
I'll see if there's anything worth uploading after this conversion has finished.

itshimitis · 06-23-2012, 03:21 AM

Back in the Lake District where the weather has been so poor that they have cancelled the Great North Swim on Lake Windermere - because of too much water! Could only happen in the UK!

The Olympic flame came through Ambleside a day or two ago. Here is one of the torch bearers:

Canon 5D mk III EF 28 - 300L at 300mm and f/8 1/320 and ISO 1600 (very dark and damp afternoon -the bearers on the following day would have had a very unpleasant time of it)

This little steamboat is one of the on water convoy for the torch, as the torch would be taken on to a boat down to Bowness:

Canon 5D mk III Carl Zeiss 35 f/2 at f/8 1/80 ISO 200

in black and white:

A very wet day yesterday and looking down a pier at Waterhead:

Canon 5D mk III CZ 35 f/2 at f/8 1/125 ISO 125

A swan stood in the rain on the beach at Waterhead:

Canon 5D mk III CZ 35 f/2 at f/8 1/80 ISO 200

A barn in Galava Field between Waterhead and Ambleside:

Canon 5D mk III CZ 35 f/2 at f/8 1/40 ISO 125

bossa · 06-23-2012, 04:52 AM

Great shots mate.. I wish I was there at this time. The weather here has been lousy and I've been feeling pretty negative. I'm not sure I did the right thing buying this Nikon either... I don't get as many motion-free shots as I did with the K-5.

D800E & 70-200VR2

itshimitis · 06-23-2012, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by bossa

Great shots mate.. I wish I was there at this time. The weather here has been lousy and I've been feeling pretty negative. I'm not sure I did the right thing buying this Nikon either... I don't get as many motion-free shots as I did with the K-5.

D800E & 70-200VR2

You'll get there. I found when I got the 645D (due back from repair on Tuesday) that the extra resolution, while welcome also drew attention to things I didn't want to be brought attention to. It takes some getting used to.

bossa · 06-23-2012, 08:22 AM

Cheers..

My main issues are getting used to the DOF difference and the fact that even with VR lenses I still manage to get more motion blur than I'd like. Of course that is amplified somewhat by the extra resolution I suppose.. I hope I can work it out as it's cost me an arm and a leg.

itshimitis · 06-23-2012, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by bossa

Cheers..

My main issues are getting used to the DOF difference and the fact that even with VR lenses I still manage to get more motion blur than I'd like. Of course that is amplified somewhat by the extra resolution I suppose.. I hope I can work it out as it's cost me an arm and a leg.

Yes the great conundrum that is: Larger Sensor= shallower DOF and deciding whether to risk diffraction by making the aperture smaller in order to increase DOF. My advice would be not to obsess with pixel peeping at 100%. Decide what your preferred viewing size is and work at improving the view of that first. Don't be frightened of using smaller apertures: I use f/11 - 16 on my 645D regularly when I need the foreground to b e in focus: it's no good having a perfectly focussed subject with a lovely lead in line when the lead in line is OOF. A shot that is slightly softer due to diffraction is far superior to one that is sharp but with substantial parts of the shot OOF. I only occasionally use an APS-C camera (Canon 7D) so am usually using narrower DOF.

Bart · 06-23-2012, 11:10 AM - **1 Like**

Around Vevey.

Nikon D700.

TOUGEFC · 06-23-2012, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by bossa

Great shots mate.. I wish I was there at this time. The weather here has been lousy and I've been feeling pretty negative. I'm not sure I did the right thing buying this Nikon either... I don't get as many motion-free shots as I did with the K-5.

D800E & 70-200VR2

Looks like it has great IQ mate.

Originally posted by Bart

Around Vevey.

Nikon D700.

Awesome mate, I like the second one alot!

bossa · 06-23-2012, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by itshimitis

Yes the great conundrum that is: Larger Sensor= shallower DOF and deciding whether to risk diffraction by making the aperture smaller in order to increase DOF. My advice would be not to obsess with pixel peeping at 100%. Decide what your preferred viewing size is and work at improving the view of that first. Don't be frightened of using smaller apertures: I use f/11 - 16 on my 645D regularly when I need the foreground to b e in focus: it's no good having a perfectly focussed subject with a lovely lead in line when the lead in line is OOF. A shot that is slightly softer due to diffraction is far superior to one that is sharp but with substantial parts of the shot OOF. I only occasionally use an APS-C camera (Canon 7D) so am usually using narrower DOF.

Exactly! My Zeiss lens is useless beyond f/16 on this sensor.. the diffraction is very bad indeed. In fact going beyond F11 or 16 (depending on the lens) seems unwise. I am tempted to hang on to my Pentax glass and see what they come up with re' a K-5 replacement.

But hopefully I'll get the hang of this format soon though...

bossa · 06-23-2012, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by TOUGEFC

Looks like it has great IQ mate.

Dunno about the Bokeh though.. seems a bit nervous at times:

bossa · 06-23-2012, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Bart

Around Vevey.Nikon D700.

Wonderful shots here...

noons · 06-23-2012, 04:43 PM

Bart, #3 is a beauty!

06-23-2012, 04:52 AM	#1806
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Great shots mate.. I wish I was there at this time. The weather here has been lousy and I've been feeling pretty negative. I'm not sure I did the right thing buying this Nikon either... I don't get as many motion-free shots as I did with the K-5. D800E & 70-200VR2 Last edited by bossa; 06-24-2012 at 10:32 PM.

06-23-2012, 11:10 AM - 1 Like	#1810
Bart Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: WW community of Pentax users Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,646	Steamboat on Lake Geneva Around Vevey. Nikon D700.

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06-22-2012, 08:08 PM	#1801
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	I just picked up my new 70-200VR2 and I really feel guilty. I'll post some shots later when I get back from a field trip.

06-23-2012, 12:27 AM	#1802
noons Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: WA, Australia Posts: 164	Haha, enjoy it Steve! Be careful though. It's damn heavy!

06-23-2012, 12:30 AM	#1803
TOUGEFC Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,561	Awesome Steve, hope your enjoying it! Go easy on your back though mate

06-23-2012, 12:57 AM	#1804
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Hehe.. Cheers! Yeah, my arms are a tad sore after my walk around. I haven't worked out in the gym for a few weeks after the back issue. Earlier I compared a few identical shots from the DA50-135 to this and I have to say that lens kicks arse. If the new Pentax is 24mp it really would be a nice combo and almost rival this camera and lens ( as you say, this thing weighs a ton). I'll see if there's anything worth uploading after this conversion has finished.

06-23-2012, 03:21 AM	#1805
itshimitis Pentaxian Join Date: May 2011 Location: All over the place Posts: 3,535	Back in the Lake District where the weather has been so poor that they have cancelled the Great North Swim on Lake Windermere - because of too much water! Could only happen in the UK! The Olympic flame came through Ambleside a day or two ago. Here is one of the torch bearers: Canon 5D mk III EF 28 - 300L at 300mm and f/8 1/320 and ISO 1600 (very dark and damp afternoon -the bearers on the following day would have had a very unpleasant time of it) This little steamboat is one of the on water convoy for the torch, as the torch would be taken on to a boat down to Bowness: Canon 5D mk III Carl Zeiss 35 f/2 at f/8 1/80 ISO 200 in black and white: A very wet day yesterday and looking down a pier at Waterhead: Canon 5D mk III CZ 35 f/2 at f/8 1/125 ISO 125 A swan stood in the rain on the beach at Waterhead: Canon 5D mk III CZ 35 f/2 at f/8 1/80 ISO 200 A barn in Galava Field between Waterhead and Ambleside: Canon 5D mk III CZ 35 f/2 at f/8 1/40 ISO 125

06-23-2012, 07:49 AM	#1807
itshimitis Pentaxian Join Date: May 2011 Location: All over the place Posts: 3,535	Originally posted by bossa Great shots mate.. I wish I was there at this time. The weather here has been lousy and I've been feeling pretty negative. I'm not sure I did the right thing buying this Nikon either... I don't get as many motion-free shots as I did with the K-5. D800E & 70-200VR2 You'll get there. I found when I got the 645D (due back from repair on Tuesday) that the extra resolution, while welcome also drew attention to things I didn't want to be brought attention to. It takes some getting used to.

06-23-2012, 08:22 AM	#1808
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Cheers.. My main issues are getting used to the DOF difference and the fact that even with VR lenses I still manage to get more motion blur than I'd like. Of course that is amplified somewhat by the extra resolution I suppose.. I hope I can work it out as it's cost me an arm and a leg.

06-23-2012, 08:42 AM	#1809
itshimitis Pentaxian Join Date: May 2011 Location: All over the place Posts: 3,535	Originally posted by bossa Cheers.. My main issues are getting used to the DOF difference and the fact that even with VR lenses I still manage to get more motion blur than I'd like. Of course that is amplified somewhat by the extra resolution I suppose.. I hope I can work it out as it's cost me an arm and a leg. Yes the great conundrum that is: Larger Sensor= shallower DOF and deciding whether to risk diffraction by making the aperture smaller in order to increase DOF. My advice would be not to obsess with pixel peeping at 100%. Decide what your preferred viewing size is and work at improving the view of that first. Don't be frightened of using smaller apertures: I use f/11 - 16 on my 645D regularly when I need the foreground to b e in focus: it's no good having a perfectly focussed subject with a lovely lead in line when the lead in line is OOF. A shot that is slightly softer due to diffraction is far superior to one that is sharp but with substantial parts of the shot OOF. I only occasionally use an APS-C camera (Canon 7D) so am usually using narrower DOF.

06-23-2012, 03:23 PM	#1811
TOUGEFC Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,561	Originally posted by bossa Great shots mate.. I wish I was there at this time. The weather here has been lousy and I've been feeling pretty negative. I'm not sure I did the right thing buying this Nikon either... I don't get as many motion-free shots as I did with the K-5. D800E & 70-200VR2 Looks like it has great IQ mate. Originally posted by Bart Around Vevey. Nikon D700. Awesome mate, I like the second one alot!

06-23-2012, 04:23 PM	#1812
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by itshimitis Yes the great conundrum that is: Larger Sensor= shallower DOF and deciding whether to risk diffraction by making the aperture smaller in order to increase DOF. My advice would be not to obsess with pixel peeping at 100%. Decide what your preferred viewing size is and work at improving the view of that first. Don't be frightened of using smaller apertures: I use f/11 - 16 on my 645D regularly when I need the foreground to b e in focus: it's no good having a perfectly focussed subject with a lovely lead in line when the lead in line is OOF. A shot that is slightly softer due to diffraction is far superior to one that is sharp but with substantial parts of the shot OOF. I only occasionally use an APS-C camera (Canon 7D) so am usually using narrower DOF. Exactly! My Zeiss lens is useless beyond f/16 on this sensor.. the diffraction is very bad indeed. In fact going beyond F11 or 16 (depending on the lens) seems unwise. I am tempted to hang on to my Pentax glass and see what they come up with re' a K-5 replacement. But hopefully I'll get the hang of this format soon though...

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06-23-2012, 04:25 PM	#1813
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by TOUGEFC Looks like it has great IQ mate. Dunno about the Bokeh though.. seems a bit nervous at times:

06-23-2012, 04:27 PM	#1814
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by Bart Around Vevey.Nikon D700. Wonderful shots here...

06-23-2012, 04:43 PM	#1815
noons Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: WA, Australia Posts: 164	Bart, #3 is a beauty!