Ricoh GXR-system Full Frame K-mount module

RonHendriks1966 · 02-01-2011, 11:55 AM

Well not news or rumor at the time, but it can be true in the coming year if we all want to.

Ricoh announces to come with a M-mount module for its GXR modulair system build camera. To fit all Leica M-lenses.

What if we all ask Ricoh to make a Full Frame K-mount module. Would there be an interest for?

I will send an email to Ricoh to watch this thread. Just some input on it from everyone.

Since I'm not expecting Pentax to come up with a Full Frame camera in 2011. Or am I wrong?

The GXR system isn't a fast system, so really just a photographers camera. Not for sports or any fast action. It works with SDHC-cards and has a relativily small buffer to work with.

Then the question of what sensor should be in it. A CMOS would be great, but then again who is providing it. The system is probably to slow for a real moviefunction and the battery is quickly depleted using liveview. Then there is this wonderful full frame sensor, CCD, from Kodak that is also in the Leica M9. Would this be a very nice thing to run on?

Put in the 18 megapixel CCD sensor that alsoo is futured in the Leica M9
The sensor of the Nikon D700 could be possible.
A new CMOS sensor from Sony if it is possible to purchase.

Any thoughts on this?

eddie1960 · 02-01-2011, 12:01 PM

the leica module is apsC i believe.
It would be a really interesting option (really the whole system is interesting as I have a few m39 lenses i could adapt to m mount as well (if the m module is less than a leica m6 it may even make a lot of sense for me to do so as a way to build my leica mount collection (yep i need more lenses )

For my purposes a full frame module wouldn't need to be super fast, but image quality would be paramount. a big ccd with no aa filter would be a really nice thing
IMHO

eurostar · 02-01-2011, 12:51 PM

Let's talk about prices!

climit · 02-01-2011, 01:12 PM

Ricoh is very reliable as a brand and that would be a very nice implementation.

Urkeldaedalus · 02-01-2011, 01:42 PM

I'm interested in the GXR system even without the capability to mount other brand's lenses on it. If they added a K-mount option, consider me sold!

Note: Didn't Ricoh's film cameras use the K-mount as well?

Urkeldaedalus · 02-01-2011, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by eddie1960

the leica module is apsC i believe.
It would be a really interesting option (really the whole system is interesting as I have a few m39 lenses i could adapt to m mount as well (if the m module is less than a leica m6 it may even make a lot of sense for me to do so as a way to build my leica mount collection (yep i need more lenses )

For my purposes a full frame module wouldn't need to be super fast, but image quality would be paramount. a big ccd with no aa filter would be a really nice thing
IMHO

If the Leica Module was full frame I wonder how badly it would have hurt the M9.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-01-2011, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Urkeldaedalus

I'm interested in the GXR system even without the capability to mount other brand's lenses on it. If they added a K-mount option, consider me sold!

Note: Didn't Ricoh's film cameras use the K-mount as well?

Yes Ricoh made K-mount filmcamera's.

Actually just a little different http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_K_mount called R-K mount, that's why it is a little dangerous to use Ricoh lenses on our Pentax.

Originally posted by Urkeldaedalus

If the Leica Module was full frame I wonder how badly it would have hurt the M9.

It would hurt a lot, but maybe they would not have permission to use the M-mount.

eddie1960 · 02-01-2011, 02:26 PM

then i hold no hope of a ff m mount from cosina/whoever then

Urkeldaedalus · 02-01-2011, 02:47 PM

The Ricoh GXR system still looks really attractive to me. It seems a lot more versatile than the new Fuji X100 that is getting all the buzz.

thibs · 02-01-2011, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Yes Ricoh made K-mount filmcamera's.

Actually just a little different Pentax K mount - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia called R-K mount, that's why it is a little dangerous to use Ricoh lenses on our Pentax.

Well they made true K mount bodies/lenses but when Pentax went with a closed mount named KA, Ricoh (and Chinon btw) made its own solution, still based on K mount but incompatible with KA (and its evolutions) mount. Some Ricoh lenses are absolutely safe to use, the true K mount (without the pin) ones.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-01-2011, 03:29 PM

And back on-topic, who would be interested, what is possible or what may it cost?

eddie1960 · 02-01-2011, 03:44 PM

FF, Good Image Quality, low noise high iso (not k5 but better than original 5d would be nice)
good metering, un-cripple the K mount
Good AF (for those who need it I don't)
Don't care about a ton of fancy features just good performance with all my lenses
keep the price sane (ie $2000camera and module 2200 with EVF)

Mistral75 · 02-01-2011, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Yes Ricoh made K-mount filmcamera's.
(...)
It would hurt a lot, but maybe they would not have permission to use the M-mount.

They don't need any, the Leica-M mount is in the public domain since a few years. This is the reason why Cosina is now able to propose Voigtländer lenses with M mount and not only with LTM / L39 mount like before.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-01-2011, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by eddie1960

FF, Good Image Quality, low noise high iso (not k5 but better than original 5d would be nice)
good metering, un-cripple the K mount
Good AF (for those who need it I don't)
Don't care about a ton of fancy features just good performance with all my lenses
keep the price sane (ie $2000camera and module 2200 with EVF)

About the AF. So it is probably contrast AF, or manual focus, or a secondary AF-sensor since it is not a mirror camera.

PentHassyKon · 02-01-2011, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

And back on-topic, who would be interested, what is possible or what may it cost?

For the right $ I would be interested.
This would be similar to the rumored mirrorless Pentax being discussed currently.

Looks like Ricoh just announced they're making one for leica M-mount lenses - this will compete against the M9/M8 somewhat so i can understand there being a market for them using M-mount.

so why not a K-mount, Nikon-Ai or other mfg's for that matter? - probably a matter of market demand.

02-01-2011, 11:55 AM	#1
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Ricoh GXR-system Full Frame K-mount module Well not news or rumor at the time, but it can be true in the coming year if we all want to. Ricoh announces to come with a M-mount module for its GXR modulair system build camera. To fit all Leica M-lenses. What if we all ask Ricoh to make a Full Frame K-mount module. Would there be an interest for? I will send an email to Ricoh to watch this thread. Just some input on it from everyone. Since I'm not expecting Pentax to come up with a Full Frame camera in 2011. Or am I wrong? The GXR system isn't a fast system, so really just a photographers camera. Not for sports or any fast action. It works with SDHC-cards and has a relativily small buffer to work with. Then the question of what sensor should be in it. A CMOS would be great, but then again who is providing it. The system is probably to slow for a real moviefunction and the battery is quickly depleted using liveview. Then there is this wonderful full frame sensor, CCD, from Kodak that is also in the Leica M9. Would this be a very nice thing to run on? Put in the 18 megapixel CCD sensor that alsoo is futured in the Leica M9 The sensor of the Nikon D700 could be possible. A new CMOS sensor from Sony if it is possible to purchase. Any thoughts on this?

02-01-2011, 01:42 PM	#5
Urkeldaedalus Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Iowa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,369	I'm interested in the GXR system even without the capability to mount other brand's lenses on it. If they added a K-mount option, consider me sold! Note: Didn't Ricoh's film cameras use the K-mount as well? Last edited by Urkeldaedalus; 02-01-2011 at 02:04 PM.

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02-01-2011, 12:01 PM	#2
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	the leica module is apsC i believe. It would be a really interesting option (really the whole system is interesting as I have a few m39 lenses i could adapt to m mount as well (if the m module is less than a leica m6 it may even make a lot of sense for me to do so as a way to build my leica mount collection (yep i need more lenses ) For my purposes a full frame module wouldn't need to be super fast, but image quality would be paramount. a big ccd with no aa filter would be a really nice thing IMHO

02-01-2011, 12:51 PM	#3
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Let's talk about prices!

02-01-2011, 01:12 PM	#4
climit Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kalamata Posts: 224	Ricoh is very reliable as a brand and that would be a very nice implementation.

02-01-2011, 02:05 PM	#6
Urkeldaedalus Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Iowa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,369	Originally posted by eddie1960 the leica module is apsC i believe. It would be a really interesting option (really the whole system is interesting as I have a few m39 lenses i could adapt to m mount as well (if the m module is less than a leica m6 it may even make a lot of sense for me to do so as a way to build my leica mount collection (yep i need more lenses ) For my purposes a full frame module wouldn't need to be super fast, but image quality would be paramount. a big ccd with no aa filter would be a really nice thing IMHO If the Leica Module was full frame I wonder how badly it would have hurt the M9.

02-01-2011, 02:17 PM	#7
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675 Original Poster	Originally posted by Urkeldaedalus I'm interested in the GXR system even without the capability to mount other brand's lenses on it. If they added a K-mount option, consider me sold! Note: Didn't Ricoh's film cameras use the K-mount as well? Yes Ricoh made K-mount filmcamera's. Actually just a little different http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_K_mount called R-K mount, that's why it is a little dangerous to use Ricoh lenses on our Pentax. Originally posted by Urkeldaedalus If the Leica Module was full frame I wonder how badly it would have hurt the M9. It would hurt a lot, but maybe they would not have permission to use the M-mount.

02-01-2011, 02:26 PM	#8
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	then i hold no hope of a ff m mount from cosina/whoever then

02-01-2011, 02:47 PM	#9
Urkeldaedalus Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Iowa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,369	The Ricoh GXR system still looks really attractive to me. It seems a lot more versatile than the new Fuji X100 that is getting all the buzz.

02-01-2011, 03:06 PM	#10
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Yes Ricoh made K-mount filmcamera's. Actually just a little different Pentax K mount - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia called R-K mount, that's why it is a little dangerous to use Ricoh lenses on our Pentax. Well they made true K mount bodies/lenses but when Pentax went with a closed mount named KA, Ricoh (and Chinon btw) made its own solution, still based on K mount but incompatible with KA (and its evolutions) mount. Some Ricoh lenses are absolutely safe to use, the true K mount (without the pin) ones.

02-01-2011, 03:29 PM	#11
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675 Original Poster	And back on-topic, who would be interested, what is possible or what may it cost?

02-01-2011, 03:44 PM	#12
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	FF, Good Image Quality, low noise high iso (not k5 but better than original 5d would be nice) good metering, un-cripple the K mount Good AF (for those who need it I don't) Don't care about a ton of fancy features just good performance with all my lenses keep the price sane (ie $2000camera and module 2200 with EVF)

02-01-2011, 03:48 PM	#13
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Yes Ricoh made K-mount filmcamera's. (...) It would hurt a lot, but maybe they would not have permission to use the M-mount. They don't need any, the Leica-M mount is in the public domain since a few years. This is the reason why Cosina is now able to propose Voigtländer lenses with M mount and not only with LTM / L39 mount like before.

02-01-2011, 04:00 PM	#14
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675 Original Poster	Originally posted by eddie1960 FF, Good Image Quality, low noise high iso (not k5 but better than original 5d would be nice) good metering, un-cripple the K mount Good AF (for those who need it I don't) Don't care about a ton of fancy features just good performance with all my lenses keep the price sane (ie $2000camera and module 2200 with EVF) About the AF. So it is probably contrast AF, or manual focus, or a secondary AF-sensor since it is not a mirror camera.

02-01-2011, 04:04 PM	#15
PentHassyKon Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 415	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 And back on-topic, who would be interested, what is possible or what may it cost? For the right $ I would be interested. This would be similar to the rumored mirrorless Pentax being discussed currently. Looks like Ricoh just announced they're making one for leica M-mount lenses - this will compete against the M9/M8 somewhat so i can understand there being a market for them using M-mount. so why not a K-mount, Nikon-Ai or other mfg's for that matter? - probably a matter of market demand.