I bought a Sony NEX-5N

Christine Tham · 11-17-2011, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by kenafein

If you've got deep enough pockets to buy a suite of Leica glass you're probably going to buy an M8 or an M9.

I thought Steve Huff said the M9 also suffers from the magenta colour shift???

Quote:

You can see that using lenses 24 and wider can get you some nasty color shifts, just like the M9 used to do (and still does with the Voigtlander).

Anyway, I used the M9 for a little and didn't like it. I found it very difficult to focus on the rangefinder using my right eye.

When I look back at my photos, I managed to achieve focus on most of those shots, but I was really struggling with each shot.

Jasvox · 11-17-2011, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by jpzk

Christine:

You should now be very happy with the NEX-5N ...

I understand your need for Live View focusing.

After reading the comparisons between your camera vs. the NEX-7 vs. the GXR ... all I have to say is that I am very disappointed with the rendering in sharpness and colour with the NEX-7.

Sony NEX-7 with wide angle Leica lenses – A quick test and Ricoh GXR A12 Comparison! | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS

originally posted by emacs earlier.

JP

Check around, I think you will find more glowing reviews of the NEX-7 than just this one by Steve Huff. More reviewers than not hail this body as excellent.

Jason

hinman · 11-17-2011, 03:26 PM

Christine, thank you for the posting of your shots on Nokton Classic 35mm f1.4. Out of all the lens mount adapter, the Leica M mount is among the thinnest when compared to the K-mount or the M42 mount equivalent. Do you have the best Leica M mount for recommendation? How much is the Voigtlander adapter? I see a bunch in the twenty dollar range in eBay. What was the M-mount that you got problems with. Please share with us so as not to get those problematic adapters.

I like your photos with the 5N and the Nokton lens. It will have been nice if the K-adapter is as thin as the Leica M mount adapter.

Cheers,
Hin

Emacs · 11-17-2011, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Jasvox

Check around, I think you will find more glowing reviews of the NEX-7 than just this one by Steve Huff. More reviewers than not hail this body as excellent.

Jason

I guess they were using it with DSLR optics or native e-mount lenses.
DSLR wide angles are not good enough. They are either huge or not good enough optically. So, I thought of buying some leica wide angles (heliar 12 or 15, new super elmar 21/3.4 asph, biogon 28/2.8). And they are all suffer from color shift.
I don't like sony pancake (it's just not good enough) and the new sonnar (lack of sharpness for such a size).

kenafein · 11-17-2011, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Emacs

Some lenses (12 and 15 mm vl heliars, 20mm vl color skopar, cz biogons 21/2.8, 25, 28 are not particularly expensive. At least they are about 3 times cheaper than leica glasses. And they are all suffered from color shift in previous nex generations. The nex-5n resolved this. The nex-7 didn't).

All too pricey for me to consider having a full setup. There is obviously a market for M lenses on APS-C bodies for Ricoh to create a module for it. It would just seem to me that if you have that kind of cash you could spend an extra 1k for a used M8. Voigtlander does seem to be reasonably priced for M-mount though. I sure wouldn't mind having the 50/1.1 for any sensor.

**jpzk** · 11-17-2011, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Jasvox

Check around, I think you will find more glowing reviews of the NEX-7 than just this one by Steve Huff. More reviewers than not hail this body as excellent.

Jason

Sony NEX-7 high-end APS-C mirrorless camera first look: Digital Photography Review
Sony NEX-7 - DigitalVersus
Sony NEX-7 First Look: In the Wild
Sony Alpha NEX-7 Review - Digital cameras - CNET Reviews

While those reviews seem positive toward the NEX-7, unlike that of S. Huff Photo, I jumped seeing the price !

However, it does look like a good "smallish" camera.

JP

**jpzk** · 11-17-2011, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by kenafein

The review was glowing for non M-mount lenses. It's still a good camera. If you've got deep enough pockets to buy a suite of Leica glass you're probably going to buy an M8 or an M9. Still, I'd rather have the 5N myself. It's kind of a shame for them to go backwards on sensor tech for marketing reasons. Who needs 24 megapixels? Not me if the quality is inferior to 16.

No doubt it is a good camera. As you, I would likely go for another camera altogether, albeit not one without a VF.

JP

sajah · 11-17-2011, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Christine Tham

Some examples from my latest lens acquisition - the Nokton Classic 35mm f1.4.

Impressions of the lens - not that sharp, I think the Sony lenses are sharper. But it has a "glow" that remind me of Leica lenses.

An example of shallow depth of field at f1.4:

WOW! Looks amazing and very 3D. Also I don't see any Purple Fringing in the picture above. I often (if not always) got PF with this kind of shot (thin DOF, lots of branch and leaves and sky in the background). Did you post-process it or it's really non-existent? Mind to post 100% crop (or link to full size download). Thank you!

hinman · 11-17-2011, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by sajah

WOW! Looks amazing and very 3D. Also I don't see any Purple Fringing in the picture above. I often (if not always) got PF with this kind of shot (thin DOF, lots of branch and leaves and sky in the background). Did you post-process it or it's really non-existent? Mind to post 100% crop (or link to full size download). Thank you!

That happens to BE one of the pictures that I like the most in the series.

Hin

Frogfish · 11-17-2011, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by sajah

WOW! Looks amazing and very 3D. Also I don't see any Purple Fringing in the picture above. I often (if not always) got PF with this kind of shot (thin DOF, lots of branch and leaves and sky in the background). Did you post-process it or it's really non-existent? Mind to post 100% crop (or link to full size download). Thank you!

I see purple all over the place !

sajah · 11-17-2011, 11:17 PM

Well I mean, except for the flowers!

Christine Tham · 11-17-2011, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by sajah

WOW! Looks amazing and very 3D. Also I don't see any Purple Fringing in the picture above. I often (if not always) got PF with this kind of shot (thin DOF, lots of branch and leaves and sky in the background). Did you post-process it or it's really non-existent? Mind to post 100% crop (or link to full size download). Thank you!

Processing parameters:
Exposure: +0.50
Brightness: 75
Saturation: 50
Contrast: 0

Otherwise default

There's a fair amount of purple fringing in the upper right of photo, in the tree branch.

Here's the link to Picasa where you can view a larger version (not full size though - max 2048 pixels on the long edge):
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Hr0RCL116ULGucW-5LhGtw?feat=directlink

Christine Tham · 11-18-2011, 12:34 AM - **1 Like**

More photos from today

View from office window:

More tree trunks:

Took the afternoon off and wandered down to Lavender Bay and Milsons Point:

Emacs · 11-18-2011, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by kenafein

have that kind of cash you could spend an extra 1k for a used M8

I have, but I won't buy it. I don't like rangefinders.
I'm waiting for the M10 though, there are some rumours it will have an EVF.

Emacs · 11-18-2011, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Christine Tham

More photos from today

View from office window:

More tree trunks:

Took the afternoon off and wandered down to Lavender Bay and Milsons Point:

Nice shots, Christine!

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11-17-2011, 12:03 PM	#31
Christine Tham Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,269 Original Poster	Originally posted by kenafein If you've got deep enough pockets to buy a suite of Leica glass you're probably going to buy an M8 or an M9. I thought Steve Huff said the M9 also suffers from the magenta colour shift??? Quote: You can see that using lenses 24 and wider can get you some nasty color shifts, just like the M9 used to do (and still does with the Voigtlander). Anyway, I used the M9 for a little and didn't like it. I found it very difficult to focus on the rangefinder using my right eye. When I look back at my photos, I managed to achieve focus on most of those shots, but I was really struggling with each shot.

11-17-2011, 12:41 PM	#32
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	Originally posted by jpzk Christine: You should now be very happy with the NEX-5N ... I understand your need for Live View focusing. After reading the comparisons between your camera vs. the NEX-7 vs. the GXR ... all I have to say is that I am very disappointed with the rendering in sharpness and colour with the NEX-7. Sony NEX-7 with wide angle Leica lenses – A quick test and Ricoh GXR A12 Comparison! \| STEVE HUFF PHOTOS originally posted by emacs earlier. JP Check around, I think you will find more glowing reviews of the NEX-7 than just this one by Steve Huff. More reviewers than not hail this body as excellent. Jason

11-17-2011, 03:26 PM	#33
hinman Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Fremont, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,473	Christine, thank you for the posting of your shots on Nokton Classic 35mm f1.4. Out of all the lens mount adapter, the Leica M mount is among the thinnest when compared to the K-mount or the M42 mount equivalent. Do you have the best Leica M mount for recommendation? How much is the Voigtlander adapter? I see a bunch in the twenty dollar range in eBay. What was the M-mount that you got problems with. Please share with us so as not to get those problematic adapters. I like your photos with the 5N and the Nokton lens. It will have been nice if the K-adapter is as thin as the Leica M mount adapter. Cheers, Hin

11-17-2011, 03:58 PM	#34
Emacs Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Moscow Posts: 1,223	Originally posted by Jasvox Check around, I think you will find more glowing reviews of the NEX-7 than just this one by Steve Huff. More reviewers than not hail this body as excellent. Jason I guess they were using it with DSLR optics or native e-mount lenses. DSLR wide angles are not good enough. They are either huge or not good enough optically. So, I thought of buying some leica wide angles (heliar 12 or 15, new super elmar 21/3.4 asph, biogon 28/2.8). And they are all suffer from color shift. I don't like sony pancake (it's just not good enough) and the new sonnar (lack of sharpness for such a size).

11-17-2011, 04:15 PM	#35
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	Originally posted by Emacs Some lenses (12 and 15 mm vl heliars, 20mm vl color skopar, cz biogons 21/2.8, 25, 28 are not particularly expensive. At least they are about 3 times cheaper than leica glasses. And they are all suffered from color shift in previous nex generations. The nex-5n resolved this. The nex-7 didn't). All too pricey for me to consider having a full setup. There is obviously a market for M lenses on APS-C bodies for Ricoh to create a module for it. It would just seem to me that if you have that kind of cash you could spend an extra 1k for a used M8. Voigtlander does seem to be reasonably priced for M-mount though. I sure wouldn't mind having the 50/1.1 for any sensor.

11-17-2011, 05:09 PM	#36
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Originally posted by Jasvox Check around, I think you will find more glowing reviews of the NEX-7 than just this one by Steve Huff. More reviewers than not hail this body as excellent. Jason Sony NEX-7 high-end APS-C mirrorless camera first look: Digital Photography Review Sony NEX-7 - DigitalVersus Sony NEX-7 First Look: In the Wild Sony Alpha NEX-7 Review - Digital cameras - CNET Reviews While those reviews seem positive toward the NEX-7, unlike that of S. Huff Photo, I jumped seeing the price ! However, it does look like a good "smallish" camera. JP

11-17-2011, 05:11 PM	#37
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Originally posted by kenafein The review was glowing for non M-mount lenses. It's still a good camera. If you've got deep enough pockets to buy a suite of Leica glass you're probably going to buy an M8 or an M9. Still, I'd rather have the 5N myself. It's kind of a shame for them to go backwards on sensor tech for marketing reasons. Who needs 24 megapixels? Not me if the quality is inferior to 16. No doubt it is a good camera. As you, I would likely go for another camera altogether, albeit not one without a VF. JP

11-17-2011, 05:49 PM	#38
sajah Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: South Korea Photos: Gallery Posts: 275	Originally posted by Christine Tham Some examples from my latest lens acquisition - the Nokton Classic 35mm f1.4. Impressions of the lens - not that sharp, I think the Sony lenses are sharper. But it has a "glow" that remind me of Leica lenses. An example of shallow depth of field at f1.4: WOW! Looks amazing and very 3D. Also I don't see any Purple Fringing in the picture above. I often (if not always) got PF with this kind of shot (thin DOF, lots of branch and leaves and sky in the background). Did you post-process it or it's really non-existent? Mind to post 100% crop (or link to full size download). Thank you!

11-17-2011, 05:54 PM	#39
hinman Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Fremont, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,473	Originally posted by sajah WOW! Looks amazing and very 3D. Also I don't see any Purple Fringing in the picture above. I often (if not always) got PF with this kind of shot (thin DOF, lots of branch and leaves and sky in the background). Did you post-process it or it's really non-existent? Mind to post 100% crop (or link to full size download). Thank you! That happens to BE one of the pictures that I like the most in the series. Hin

11-17-2011, 08:04 PM	#40
Frogfish Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shanghai Posts: 4,490	Originally posted by sajah WOW! Looks amazing and very 3D. Also I don't see any Purple Fringing in the picture above. I often (if not always) got PF with this kind of shot (thin DOF, lots of branch and leaves and sky in the background). Did you post-process it or it's really non-existent? Mind to post 100% crop (or link to full size download). Thank you! I see purple all over the place !

11-17-2011, 11:17 PM	#41
sajah Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: South Korea Photos: Gallery Posts: 275	Well I mean, except for the flowers!

11-17-2011, 11:25 PM	#42
Christine Tham Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,269 Original Poster	Originally posted by sajah WOW! Looks amazing and very 3D. Also I don't see any Purple Fringing in the picture above. I often (if not always) got PF with this kind of shot (thin DOF, lots of branch and leaves and sky in the background). Did you post-process it or it's really non-existent? Mind to post 100% crop (or link to full size download). Thank you! Processing parameters: Exposure: +0.50 Brightness: 75 Saturation: 50 Contrast: 0 Otherwise default There's a fair amount of purple fringing in the upper right of photo, in the tree branch. Here's the link to Picasa where you can view a larger version (not full size though - max 2048 pixels on the long edge): https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Hr0RCL116ULGucW-5LhGtw?feat=directlink

11-18-2011, 12:34 AM - 1 Like	#43
Christine Tham Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,269 Original Poster	More photos from today View from office window: More tree trunks: Took the afternoon off and wandered down to Lavender Bay and Milsons Point:

11-18-2011, 01:17 AM	#44
Emacs Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Moscow Posts: 1,223	Originally posted by kenafein have that kind of cash you could spend an extra 1k for a used M8 I have, but I won't buy it. I don't like rangefinders. I'm waiting for the M10 though, there are some rumours it will have an EVF.

11-18-2011, 01:18 AM	#45
Emacs Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Moscow Posts: 1,223	Originally posted by Christine Tham More photos from today View from office window: More tree trunks: Took the afternoon off and wandered down to Lavender Bay and Milsons Point: Nice shots, Christine!