[Laurentiu Cristofor]

The FF lens below is the focal length equivalent on FF from the same manufacturer, yet it is 1) a full stop faster 2) much smaller & lighter and 3) 1/3 the price. If that 17mm 0.95 lens isn't the best ad I've seen for FF mirrorless then I don't know what is.

Too bad that what you gain on the lens, you lose on the body!

[johnmflores]

Us "poor" folk have no choice. I was eating 29 cent ramen two decades ago and I'm eating 79 cent ramen now. :-)

Add some scallions and drop an egg in there and you are good to go!

The FF lens below is the focal length equivalent on FF from the same manufacturer, yet it is 1) a full stop faster 2) much smaller & lighter and 3) 1/3 the price. If that 17mm 0.95 lens isn't the best ad I've seen for FF mirrorless then I don't know what is.

Will that FF mirrorless that you speak of shoot delicious 1080P HD video? No, I didn't think so.

[jogiba]

Well if a m4/3 lens aperture is cut in half over a FF then I guess my 165mm F2.8 Pentax 67 is really 165mm F1.4.

[rparmar]

I had a pack of Raman last night... and it only cost $0.17

Good lord that must be horrid stuff! I can get Thai, Japanese, Korean, and Chinese varieties of packaged noodle (not really "ramen" in most cases) but avoid the junk in mainstream supermarkets. That's largely because I like the exotic flavours and prefer a brand that comes with three flavour packages, so there is actually some sort of dessicated veg, paste, soya or whatever.

Add some scallions and drop an egg in there and you are good to go!

Or even shaved meat, bean sprouts, chilli and sesame oil!



(P.S. Sorry to be so off-topic, but at least this is a shot with a Pentax lens!)

[er1kksen]

Beautiful lens. Isn't it wonderful that you can shoot beautiful photos with a beautiful lens like this on an m43 camera, and in the future you may be able to shoot equally beautiful photos with similarly beautiful lenses on a FF mirrorless for about the same money, and in the end the only thing that will really matter is which one you like more, not the size of the sensor in the camera?

/end rant

[Laurentiu Cristofor]

Well if a m4/3 lens aperture is cut in half over a FF then I guess my 165mm F2.8 Pentax 67 is really 165mm F1.4.

In theory, all things being the same, that is what should happen. In practice, all things are not the same. But this is basically the theory used in such comparisons. Lookup "lens equivalence".

[nickthetasmaniac]

There's a couple of shots around now with the Nokton mounted on a black E-M5 - looks porn as

[m88k]

To begin with, I agree with er1kksen; the trend towards increasing options is good for everyone. In the future, shallow depth of field zealots may have the option to shoot something like an 85 1.2 on a medium format mirrorless. Or, if they figure out a way to increase sensor size, perhaps a 200mm f2...

For the full-frame fans, assume for a moment you're not after the paper-thin dof look that's become so popular today. The 17.5mm places your camera the same distance from your subject with a MFT as a 35mm would with FF. You've got two more stops of light to work with using the MFT camera. Yeah, the FF may offer greater sensitivity to compensate, but, last I checked, no FF camera could offer better sensitivity in video than the hacked GH2...

Also, APS-C seems to have taken the lead on overall best low-light capabilities; traditional 35mm "full frame" is just on the wrong side of the conventional chip manufacturing limits, keeping such chips a generation behind their smaller brethren. Looking further into the future, it seems silly to stick with traditional FF as they develop better ways of making large chips. I say further into the future because, eventually, it seems you ought to considering breaking with a format that's popular due to tradition. It's much easier to justify the need for a size jump between APS-C and the modern digital 645 sensors than to 35mm full frame. Assuming (huge leap, I admit) you could manufacture a mirrorless, live view capable medium format camera in the same ball-park price range as a full-frame, why wouldn't you? Especially as Pentax! Legacy glass is wonderful, but mirrorless really calls for replacing the old retrofocal lens lineups. I'd argue the biggest weakness of the MFT format may be that it's registration distance (20mm) is too deep for the sensor diagonal. Much like the FF slrs that came before it, it forces anything approaching a wide angle to be of retrofocal design.

[riff]

Alls it is is salt and a few carbs with some MSG and a pinch of buillion. That's all you get.

You probably get a ton of palm/palm kernel oil and or other poly saturated fats too.
Cheapest heart attack on the planet!

[nickthetasmaniac]

I'd argue the biggest weakness of the MFT format may be that it's registration distance (20mm) is too deep for the sensor diagonal. Much like the FF slrs that came before it, it forces anything approaching a wide angle to be of retrofocal design.

I've clearly missed something here... Have you seen the ultra-wide MFT lenses like the Lumix 7-14, m.ZD 9-18 and Samyang 7.5mm FE? They're tiny, and going off personal experience and many many reviews they're all great performers...

[Frogfish]

You probably get a ton of palm/palm kernel oil and or other poly saturated fats too.
Cheapest heart attack on the planet!

Amazing then that Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc have far lower heart attack rates eh ?

[riff]

Amazing then that Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc have far lower heart attack rates eh ?

It would be if all they eat was Raman.

[er1kksen]

You probably get a ton of palm/palm kernel oil and or other poly saturated fats too.
Cheapest heart attack on the planet!

Hold your horses there. There are saturated fats, and there are polyunsaturated fats, but there are no "poly saturated fats".

Polyunsaturated fats are inflammatory and promote heart attacks. Natural saturated fats are anti-inflammatory and do the opposite (the lipid hypothesis has seriously been dead for decades now...).

Palm kernel oil and palm oil are highly saturated compared to most plant oils. Not really a big concern.

That wheat starch (amylopectin A) spiking your blood sugar faster than straight sucrose? Say hello to a whole lot of oxidized LDL particles floating around in your bloodstream, stimulating plaque buildup in your arteries. There's your heart attack.

Pass the bone stock. I'll skip the noodles.

[riff]

The Mayo Clinic disagrees;
Polyunsaturated fat - While no specific amount is recommended, the guidelines recommend eating foods rich in this healthy fat while staying within your total fat allowance.
Saturated fat - Limit saturated fat to no more than 10 percent of your total calories. Limit to 7 percent to further reduce your risk of heart disease.
Dietary fats: Know which types to choose - MayoClinic.com

Sorry for taking this thread so far off topic.

[er1kksen]

In turn I reserve my right to disagree, very heavily, with the mayo clinic. Appealing to authority will not enrich your knowledge; seeking an understanding of the differences between various study methodologies and then reading the studies themselves (rather than their conclusions) is far more illuminating. When the overall picture drawn from what little reliable data is available comes into focus, it becomes more and more contradictory to the authority positions (googling around to find out who actually employs those authorities and researchers provides some insight as well).

Not that there aren't any authorities backing my position; Norway and Sweden, two countries with healthcare systems that rank much higher than ours, have formally abandoned the lipid hypothesis (the original basis of saturated=bad and polyunsaturated=good), probably in part because they lack a booming grain industry with tentacles in their government coffers. I don't expect they'll be the last to wake up from the anti-saturated fat hysteria, as sustaining the idea that fats abundant in the human diet for millions of years are bad for us while the ones we can only extract through chemical processes in the last hundred years are so are healthiest requires suppression of growing cognitive dissonance.

Independent research and thought is what draws many to brands like pentax or olympus instead of succumbing to the big-brand mentality. I say there's no reason to limit that mindset to camera buying decisions.