How does Nikon 85/1.8 compares to FA77?

normhead · 06-02-2012, 06:00 AM

Looking at the example photos , I wouldn't change from either system to get the other. Less DoF in the 85, but that's what you'd expect.

bossa · 06-02-2012, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Christine Tham

So why say that the DA55 is the "85" of APS-C when it is not? And it is perhaps a *less* fair comparison to the Nikon 85 than the FA50 from a DOF/bokeh perspective (never liked the DA55 bokeh).

There is no such thing as a "fair" comparison when we are using different camera bodies, even if the sensor size is the same, so let's not kid ourselves. But there are degrees of fairness, and focal length is not the only parameter.

Oh dear... not another one?

You know what I meant. The '55 is the '85' because it's the closest FL to the 85 after you do the multiplication.

You would have to divide 85 by 82.5 and multiply the distance from subject to the 85 on FF to get a 'fair' comparison though.

bossa · 06-02-2012, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by TOUGEFC

A quick wide open preview FA77 vs 85mm 1.8G in DX mode-

Both images were shot in RAW and have IDENTICAL PP

(This is just a quick teaser, I did a set in the Garden and Kitchen)

The 85 should have been backed off a bit more to get a real comparison.

TOUGEFC · 06-02-2012, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by bossa

The 85 should have been backed off a bit more to get a real comparison.

Prehaps, but thats not what I wanted to do, I setup my tripod and left it in one place, I wasnt trying to do a FOV comparison. I was comparing 77mm to 85mm I wasnt trying nor did I want to match the FOV.

Christine Tham · 06-02-2012, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by TOUGEFC

Prehaps, but thats not what I wanted to do, I setup my tripod and left it in one place, I wasnt trying to do a FOV comparison. I was comparing 77mm to 85mm I wasnt trying nor did I want to match the FOV.

It seems our friend bossa has an "interesting" perspective of "fair" and "real"

I understood your intent and I think what you did is valid.

bossa · 06-02-2012, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by TOUGEFC

Prehaps, but thats not what I wanted to do, I setup my tripod and left it in one place, I wasnt trying to do a FOV comparison. I was comparing 77mm to 85mm I wasnt trying nor did I want to match the FOV.

Ah.. Fair enough

bossa · 06-02-2012, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Christine Tham

It seems our friend bossa has an "interesting" perspective of "fair" and "real"

I understood your intent and I think what you did is valid.

I'm obviously missing the point here as I was unaware that I was actually making jokes.

normhead · 06-02-2012, 03:34 PM

AH come on bossa, everyone knows you're always fooling around

bossa · 06-02-2012, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by normhead

AH come on bossa, everyone knows you're always fooling around

I don't mind being laughed at if I know the reason. Seriously

Christine Tham · 06-02-2012, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by bossa

I'm obviously missing the point here

Yes, you are.

The original poster was asking for a comparison between two specific lenses: the Nikon 85/1.8 with the FA77. The original poster was not looking for FOV matching.

For reference, this is what the original poster said in reply to my post.

Originally posted by yusuf

Thanks Christine. I agree that Nikon 85 color does not look as polished compared to other, this is where I love FA 77.

Since it appears the original poster's query has been addressed by both myself and TOUGEFC, maybe we can move beyond your notion of what is a "fair" comparison and what is not?

bossa · 06-02-2012, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Christine Tham

Yes, you are.

The original poster was asking for a comparison between two specific lenses: the Nikon 85/1.8 with the FA77. The original poster was not looking for FOV matching.

For reference, this is what the original poster said in reply to my post.

Since it appears the original poster's query has been addressed by both myself and TOUGEFC, maybe we can move beyond your notion of what is a "fair" comparison and what is not?

FFS sake woman.. chill.

I acknowledged that point in reply to Simon already.

Christine Tham · 06-02-2012, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by bossa

FFS sake woman.. chill.

So when you said "I don't mind being laughed at if I know the reason. Seriously" you actually weren't being serious at all, nor were you actually interested in knowing the reason.

bossa · 06-02-2012, 05:05 PM

I have way too many interesting things to do today other than this conversation. Please ignore me in future.

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06-02-2012, 06:00 AM	#31
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Looking at the example photos , I wouldn't change from either system to get the other. Less DoF in the 85, but that's what you'd expect.

06-02-2012, 02:58 PM	#32
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by Christine Tham So why say that the DA55 is the "85" of APS-C when it is not? And it is perhaps a less fair comparison to the Nikon 85 than the FA50 from a DOF/bokeh perspective (never liked the DA55 bokeh). There is no such thing as a "fair" comparison when we are using different camera bodies, even if the sensor size is the same, so let's not kid ourselves. But there are degrees of fairness, and focal length is not the only parameter. Oh dear... not another one? You know what I meant. The '55 is the '85' because it's the closest FL to the 85 after you do the multiplication. You would have to divide 85 by 82.5 and multiply the distance from subject to the 85 on FF to get a 'fair' comparison though.

06-02-2012, 02:59 PM	#33
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by TOUGEFC A quick wide open preview FA77 vs 85mm 1.8G in DX mode- Both images were shot in RAW and have IDENTICAL PP (This is just a quick teaser, I did a set in the Garden and Kitchen) The 85 should have been backed off a bit more to get a real comparison.

06-02-2012, 03:07 PM	#34
TOUGEFC Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,561	Originally posted by bossa The 85 should have been backed off a bit more to get a real comparison. Prehaps, but thats not what I wanted to do, I setup my tripod and left it in one place, I wasnt trying to do a FOV comparison. I was comparing 77mm to 85mm I wasnt trying nor did I want to match the FOV.

06-02-2012, 03:27 PM	#35
Christine Tham Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,269	Originally posted by TOUGEFC Prehaps, but thats not what I wanted to do, I setup my tripod and left it in one place, I wasnt trying to do a FOV comparison. I was comparing 77mm to 85mm I wasnt trying nor did I want to match the FOV. It seems our friend bossa has an "interesting" perspective of "fair" and "real" I understood your intent and I think what you did is valid.

06-02-2012, 03:30 PM	#36
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by TOUGEFC Prehaps, but thats not what I wanted to do, I setup my tripod and left it in one place, I wasnt trying to do a FOV comparison. I was comparing 77mm to 85mm I wasnt trying nor did I want to match the FOV. Ah.. Fair enough

06-02-2012, 03:32 PM	#37
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by Christine Tham It seems our friend bossa has an "interesting" perspective of "fair" and "real" I understood your intent and I think what you did is valid. I'm obviously missing the point here as I was unaware that I was actually making jokes.

06-02-2012, 03:34 PM	#38
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	AH come on bossa, everyone knows you're always fooling around

06-02-2012, 03:53 PM	#39
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by normhead AH come on bossa, everyone knows you're always fooling around I don't mind being laughed at if I know the reason. Seriously

06-02-2012, 04:31 PM	#40
Christine Tham Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,269	Originally posted by bossa I'm obviously missing the point here Yes, you are. The original poster was asking for a comparison between two specific lenses: the Nikon 85/1.8 with the FA77. The original poster was not looking for FOV matching. For reference, this is what the original poster said in reply to my post. Originally posted by yusuf Thanks Christine. I agree that Nikon 85 color does not look as polished compared to other, this is where I love FA 77. Since it appears the original poster's query has been addressed by both myself and TOUGEFC, maybe we can move beyond your notion of what is a "fair" comparison and what is not?

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06-02-2012, 04:52 PM	#41
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by Christine Tham Yes, you are. The original poster was asking for a comparison between two specific lenses: the Nikon 85/1.8 with the FA77. The original poster was not looking for FOV matching. For reference, this is what the original poster said in reply to my post. Since it appears the original poster's query has been addressed by both myself and TOUGEFC, maybe we can move beyond your notion of what is a "fair" comparison and what is not? FFS sake woman.. chill. I acknowledged that point in reply to Simon already.

06-02-2012, 04:56 PM	#42
Christine Tham Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,269	Originally posted by bossa FFS sake woman.. chill. So when you said "I don't mind being laughed at if I know the reason. Seriously" you actually weren't being serious at all, nor were you actually interested in knowing the reason.

06-02-2012, 05:05 PM	#43
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	I have way too many interesting things to do today other than this conversation. Please ignore me in future.