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**apisto** · 11-01-2012, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by 7samurai

These are all wonderful. I was thinking of getting a D800, but now i'm re-considering.
does anyone have any issues with the 1/4000 limit? I guess the 1/200 sync speed is less of an issue since Pentax has only 1/180...

I am not a flash guy, so I cannot comment there. A for the 1/4000 vs 1/8000, look at what you have already shot. I went into lightroom and out of 10000 shots taken less than 100 were at a shutter speed faster then 1/4000. I was expecting to find that I had used those shutter speeds more often than I actually had. So I decided it was not a problem for me.

**7samurai** · 11-01-2012, 08:24 AM

I've been looking through my pictures and have more than just a few, primary because I have a run and gun style of shooting. I have a tendency of following groups inside and outdoors. I've found I don't always optimize my settings as I transition and do hit the 4000+ limit more than I like. I've been wondering if people are using ND filters to compensate and if it works well. I've not used ND filters before so it's a new subject for me.

**apisto** · 11-01-2012, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by 7samurai

I've been looking through my pictures and have more than just a few, primary because I have a run and gun style of shooting. I have a tendency of following groups inside and outdoors. I've found I don't always optimize my settings as I transition and do hit the 4000+ limit more than I like. I've been wondering if people are using ND filters to compensate and if it works well. I've not used ND filters before so it's a new subject for me.

Sounds like a potential of some missed shots for you with the 1/4000 limit, then. Don't forget a used D700 is still a great camera.

Sol Invictus · 11-01-2012, 09:14 AM

If I'm not incorrect, you can go down to ISO 50 which should compensate for the 1/4000 shutter speed.

cali92rs · 11-01-2012, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Sol Invictus

If I'm not incorrect, you can go down to ISO 50 which should compensate for the 1/4000 shutter speed.

Or step down the aperture...
But if you really need to isolate your subject and really need to shoot wide open in the bright sun, then an ND filter is what's left.

tuco · 11-01-2012, 09:41 AM

I guess shooting at f2 or f1.4 at ISO 100 on a bright, sunny day (or conditions like it) can exceed 1/4000. So that magic one-stop more in faster shutter speed saves the day for ALL conditions then? What do you do when 1/8000 is not fast enough? You do the same thing as 1/4000. You work it out - either stop down or put on a ND or CPL filter.

cali92rs · 11-01-2012, 10:08 AM

I think an ND and CPL filters are standard equipment for anyone's bag. There are times you need them and cannot replicate the effects in post processing.

ElJamoquio · 11-01-2012, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

I think an ND and CPL filters are standard equipment for anyone's bag. There are times you need them and cannot replicate the effects in post processing.

Quite true.

I don't want to carry them with me, though.

**7samurai** · 11-01-2012, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

I think an ND and CPL filters are standard equipment for anyone's bag. There are times you need them and cannot replicate the effects in post processing.

I think I need to add an ND filter to my bag. Never owned one. Always have a CPL filter in my bag. Guess I was always relying on the shutter speed to compensate. Off to B&H to look at ND filters now.

sb in ak · 11-04-2012, 07:44 PM

OK, I think I might jump from my Canon 5DII setup to the D600 and keep my K5 with a few versatile WR lenses for a travel/backpack setup. I've been frustrated for awhile that my 5DII has crisper files than the K5 but can't match the K5 in DR performance. Since I do a lot of landscapes, this is key (I have marginal shots with the 5DII that would be more in the keeper category with the D600). From what I've seen, the D800 is amazing but I have a hard time justifying it with my income. Plus, the D600 is lighter than my 5DII and D800.

Anyone have any idea how the D600 might fare for cold nights? Are the controls somewhat easy to hit with gloves? I'd like to try to shoot some aurora shots up here in AK this winter, possibly at zero F or colder.

Only big downside I can see with the D600 at this point for my usual work is this talk of oil on the sensor.

navcom · 11-04-2012, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by sb in ak

OK, I think I might jump from my Canon 5DII setup to the D600 and keep my K5 with a few versatile WR lenses for a travel/backpack setup. I've been frustrated for awhile that my 5DII has crisper files than the K5 but can't match the K5 in DR performance. Since I do a lot of landscapes, this is key (I have marginal shots with the 5DII that would be more in the keeper category with the D600). From what I've seen, the D800 is amazing but I have a hard time justifying it with my income. Plus, the D600 is lighter than my 5DII and D800.

Anyone have any idea how the D600 might fare for cold nights? Are the controls somewhat easy to hit with gloves? I'd like to try to shoot some aurora shots up here in AK this winter, possibly at zero F or colder.

Only big downside I can see with the D600 at this point for my usual work is this talk of oil on the sensor.

Haven't had a chance to use mine in really cold weather yet but I did have it out in 28 degree weather for a couple hours and it worked just fine. I used a pair of thin gloves and was easily able to work it. I'd say its just slightly easier to use with gloves than the K5 but very similar.

Jeff

sb in ak · 11-05-2012, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by navcom

Haven't had a chance to use mine in really cold weather yet but I did have it out in 28 degree weather for a couple hours and it worked just fine. I used a pair of thin gloves and was easily able to work it. I'd say its just slightly easier to use with gloves than the K5 but very similar.

Jeff

Right on, thanks. I'd likely try to get by with some thin gloves and those handwarmer packets.

the swede · 11-07-2012, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by 7samurai

These are all wonderful. I was thinking of getting a D800, but now i'm re-considering.
does anyone have any issues with the 1/4000 limit? I guess the 1/200 sync speed is less of an issue since Pentax has only 1/180...

Not an issue, but i reached it many times with my 50 1.8 on sunny days... bright buildings and walls are things to keep away from...
Some shots when i was stubborn with fast aperture i dialed compensation and ISO 50. Could have just stopped down to 2.2 probably...
Dont know what ISO 50 does but i think it narrows down the dynamic range clipping of highs earlier... i think... i dont really know though, yo...

RyanW · 11-07-2012, 11:50 PM

I finally saw one in the flesh. Costco has them on display and had a demo model. I found it uncomfortable. The grip is very narrow and not that deep. I prefer a more rounded grip ala Canon 7d, 5d or Pentax K-5. I even like the grip on the K-30 more than the D600 and I thought the K-30 grip was not good.

I think this camera would be uncomfortable to carry and handle with a heavy lens. Perhaps the add on grip would help things.

Good IQ though as apparent from this thread.

tuco · 11-08-2012, 08:18 AM - **1 Like**

Homemade case using a $30 USD sewing machine for a D600 inside.

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11-01-2012, 05:33 AM	#271
apisto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 588	Originally posted by 7samurai These are all wonderful. I was thinking of getting a D800, but now i'm re-considering. does anyone have any issues with the 1/4000 limit? I guess the 1/200 sync speed is less of an issue since Pentax has only 1/180... I am not a flash guy, so I cannot comment there. A for the 1/4000 vs 1/8000, look at what you have already shot. I went into lightroom and out of 10000 shots taken less than 100 were at a shutter speed faster then 1/4000. I was expecting to find that I had used those shutter speeds more often than I actually had. So I decided it was not a problem for me.

11-01-2012, 08:24 AM	#272
7samurai Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 474	I've been looking through my pictures and have more than just a few, primary because I have a run and gun style of shooting. I have a tendency of following groups inside and outdoors. I've found I don't always optimize my settings as I transition and do hit the 4000+ limit more than I like. I've been wondering if people are using ND filters to compensate and if it works well. I've not used ND filters before so it's a new subject for me.

11-01-2012, 09:12 AM	#273
apisto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 588	Originally posted by 7samurai I've been looking through my pictures and have more than just a few, primary because I have a run and gun style of shooting. I have a tendency of following groups inside and outdoors. I've found I don't always optimize my settings as I transition and do hit the 4000+ limit more than I like. I've been wondering if people are using ND filters to compensate and if it works well. I've not used ND filters before so it's a new subject for me. Sounds like a potential of some missed shots for you with the 1/4000 limit, then. Don't forget a used D700 is still a great camera.

11-01-2012, 09:14 AM	#274
Sol Invictus Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Calgary, Alberta Photos: Gallery Posts: 392	If I'm not incorrect, you can go down to ISO 50 which should compensate for the 1/4000 shutter speed.

11-01-2012, 09:37 AM	#275
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Sol Invictus If I'm not incorrect, you can go down to ISO 50 which should compensate for the 1/4000 shutter speed. Or step down the aperture... But if you really need to isolate your subject and really need to shoot wide open in the bright sun, then an ND filter is what's left.

11-01-2012, 09:41 AM	#276
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,032	I guess shooting at f2 or f1.4 at ISO 100 on a bright, sunny day (or conditions like it) can exceed 1/4000. So that magic one-stop more in faster shutter speed saves the day for ALL conditions then? What do you do when 1/8000 is not fast enough? You do the same thing as 1/4000. You work it out - either stop down or put on a ND or CPL filter.

11-01-2012, 10:08 AM	#277
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	I think an ND and CPL filters are standard equipment for anyone's bag. There are times you need them and cannot replicate the effects in post processing.

11-01-2012, 12:48 PM	#278
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by cali92rs I think an ND and CPL filters are standard equipment for anyone's bag. There are times you need them and cannot replicate the effects in post processing. Quite true. I don't want to carry them with me, though.

11-01-2012, 01:22 PM	#279
7samurai Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 474	Originally posted by cali92rs I think an ND and CPL filters are standard equipment for anyone's bag. There are times you need them and cannot replicate the effects in post processing. I think I need to add an ND filter to my bag. Never owned one. Always have a CPL filter in my bag. Guess I was always relying on the shutter speed to compensate. Off to B&H to look at ND filters now.

11-04-2012, 07:44 PM	#280
sb in ak Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Omaha, NE Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 612	OK, I think I might jump from my Canon 5DII setup to the D600 and keep my K5 with a few versatile WR lenses for a travel/backpack setup. I've been frustrated for awhile that my 5DII has crisper files than the K5 but can't match the K5 in DR performance. Since I do a lot of landscapes, this is key (I have marginal shots with the 5DII that would be more in the keeper category with the D600). From what I've seen, the D800 is amazing but I have a hard time justifying it with my income. Plus, the D600 is lighter than my 5DII and D800. Anyone have any idea how the D600 might fare for cold nights? Are the controls somewhat easy to hit with gloves? I'd like to try to shoot some aurora shots up here in AK this winter, possibly at zero F or colder. Only big downside I can see with the D600 at this point for my usual work is this talk of oil on the sensor.

11-04-2012, 08:16 PM	#281
navcom Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Minnesota USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 807	Originally posted by sb in ak OK, I think I might jump from my Canon 5DII setup to the D600 and keep my K5 with a few versatile WR lenses for a travel/backpack setup. I've been frustrated for awhile that my 5DII has crisper files than the K5 but can't match the K5 in DR performance. Since I do a lot of landscapes, this is key (I have marginal shots with the 5DII that would be more in the keeper category with the D600). From what I've seen, the D800 is amazing but I have a hard time justifying it with my income. Plus, the D600 is lighter than my 5DII and D800. Anyone have any idea how the D600 might fare for cold nights? Are the controls somewhat easy to hit with gloves? I'd like to try to shoot some aurora shots up here in AK this winter, possibly at zero F or colder. Only big downside I can see with the D600 at this point for my usual work is this talk of oil on the sensor. Haven't had a chance to use mine in really cold weather yet but I did have it out in 28 degree weather for a couple hours and it worked just fine. I used a pair of thin gloves and was easily able to work it. I'd say its just slightly easier to use with gloves than the K5 but very similar. Jeff

11-05-2012, 12:09 AM	#282
sb in ak Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Omaha, NE Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 612	Originally posted by navcom Haven't had a chance to use mine in really cold weather yet but I did have it out in 28 degree weather for a couple hours and it worked just fine. I used a pair of thin gloves and was easily able to work it. I'd say its just slightly easier to use with gloves than the K5 but very similar. Jeff Right on, thanks. I'd likely try to get by with some thin gloves and those handwarmer packets.

11-07-2012, 12:23 PM	#283
the swede Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,310	Originally posted by 7samurai These are all wonderful. I was thinking of getting a D800, but now i'm re-considering. does anyone have any issues with the 1/4000 limit? I guess the 1/200 sync speed is less of an issue since Pentax has only 1/180... Not an issue, but i reached it many times with my 50 1.8 on sunny days... bright buildings and walls are things to keep away from... Some shots when i was stubborn with fast aperture i dialed compensation and ISO 50. Could have just stopped down to 2.2 probably... Dont know what ISO 50 does but i think it narrows down the dynamic range clipping of highs earlier... i think... i dont really know though, yo...

11-07-2012, 11:50 PM	#284
RyanW Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 583	I finally saw one in the flesh. Costco has them on display and had a demo model. I found it uncomfortable. The grip is very narrow and not that deep. I prefer a more rounded grip ala Canon 7d, 5d or Pentax K-5. I even like the grip on the K-30 more than the D600 and I thought the K-30 grip was not good. I think this camera would be uncomfortable to carry and handle with a heavy lens. Perhaps the add on grip would help things. Good IQ though as apparent from this thread.

11-08-2012, 08:18 AM - 1 Like	#285
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,032	Homemade case using a $30 USD sewing machine for a D600 inside.

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