Nikon D5200 about to be announced

Winder · 11-01-2012, 05:27 AM

Nikon D5200 DSLR camera to be announced next | Nikon Rumors

JinDesu · 11-01-2012, 05:34 AM

Metering system not gimped, and nice to have movable LCD screen, but no info to make it a k-30 contender...

**Rondec** · 11-01-2012, 06:29 AM

The D5200 is about checking boxes that make people think it is a great camera -- iso 25,000; 24 megapixels, 5 fps. Probably will have underwhelming specs in other areas, forcing people to upgrade to newer (hopefully full frame, from Nikon's standpoint) options.

Na Horuk · 11-01-2012, 06:33 AM

Considering a lot of people only look at MP, apparently it has already beaten Pentax.

causey · 11-01-2012, 06:49 AM

Nex 7's 24mp is impressive (in D3200 the same sensor has underwhelming performance). For when a Pentax camera with the same sensor? I'm sure Pentax engineers will make that sensor shine.

cali92rs · 11-01-2012, 07:35 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by causey

Nex 7's 24mp is impressive (in D3200 the same sensor has underwhelming performance). For when a Pentax camera with the same sensor? I'm sure Pentax engineers will make that sensor shine.

Can they put the same effort into their autofocus system that they put into making the sensor shine?

ElJamoquio · 11-01-2012, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by causey

Nex 7's 24mp is impressive (in D3200 the same sensor has underwhelming performance). For when a Pentax camera with the same sensor? I'm sure Pentax engineers will make that sensor shine.

Has it been confirmed that the D3200 has the same sensor? There was some arguments here a few months ago.

rawr · 11-01-2012, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Has it been confirmed that the D3200 has the same sensor?

It looks to be different from the Sony built 24MP sensor - the D3200 uses the Nikon NC81369R chip, according to Chipworks.

Also according to Chipworks, the Sony A77 and NEX-7 use the Sony IMX096AQL 24MP sensor.

So the Sony and Nikon 24MP APS-C sensors SEEM to be different. But their dxomark.com scores (eg in the D3200 and NEX-7) are virtually identical...

causey · 11-01-2012, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by rawr

It looks to be different from the Sony built 24MP sensor - the D3200 uses the Nikon NC81369R chip, according to Chipworks.

Also according to Chipworks, the Sony A77 and NEX-7 use the Sony IMX096AQL 24MP sensor.

So the Sony and Nikon 24MP APS-C sensors SEEM to be different. But their dxomark.com scores (eg in the D3200 and NEX-7) are virtually identical...

The fact that the sensors have different names doesn't necessarily exclude the possibility that they are basically the same. Perhaps the names refer to what various camera makers make of the same 'raw' sensor. Anyway, I hope Pentax gets something like what's in Nex 7. That sensor is fantastic.

Winder · 11-01-2012, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by causey

The fact that the sensors have different names doesn't necessarily exclude the possibility that they are basically the same. Perhaps the names refer to what various camera makers make of the same 'raw' sensor. Anyway, I hope Pentax gets something like what's in Nex 7. That sensor is fantastic.

It is a different sensor with a different pixel pitch.

causey · 11-01-2012, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Winder

It is a different sensor with a different pixel pitch.

You're right... D3200's sensor is just a bit smaller: 15.4 x 23.2 vs. 15.6 x 23.5 in Nex 7.
But I doubt this tiny difference can account for the obvious difference in IQ between the two cameras.

Winder · 11-02-2012, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by causey

You're right... D3200's sensor is just a bit smaller: 15.4 x 23.2 vs. 15.6 x 23.5 in Nex 7.
But I doubt this tiny difference can account for the obvious difference in IQ between the two cameras.

The space between "pixels" is smaller as well. It is a different sensor, but even if spacing was identical it could still be different. Pentax is using a different 16MP sensor in the K-5 than they are in the K-30/K-01 (Per Adam from his Pentax interview).

Right now I would expect that Pentax will use a sensor with more than 24MP. Sony makes the OM-D sensor ans that scales to 27MP in APS-C. A new NEX-7 should be out this Spring with a new sensor and it might be something totally different.

RBellavance · 11-02-2012, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Has it been confirmed that the D3200 has the same sensor? There was some arguments here a few months ago.

Thom Hogan has this to say about the D3200 sensor (ref. http://bythom.com/nikond3200review.htm):

...let's jump right to the big internal change: a 24mp Nikon-made DX sensor. A lot of folk were expecting Nikon to use the Sony 24mp sensor, and indeed when the first tests started to appear the fact that it tested pretty much like the Sony 24mp APS sensor made a lot of people think that the D3200 used a Sony sensor. It doesn't. The sensor inside is clearly packaged differently, and it's now been verified that it is a Nikon made sensor, right down to the internal etchings on the silicon itself.

It's quite possible that there is intellectual property licensing going on between Nikon and Sony. There are a few too many commonalities amongst the two sensors for them to be a coincidence, but I don't think that's particularly important. That's because the D3200's sensor is as good as it gets for high megapixel count in the DX/APS size (at least to date as I write this). The quantum efficiency is a small bit lower than the Sony sensor, but the well saturation is a small bit higher (it's the near identical read noise that implies similar design)

yusuf · 11-06-2012, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by causey

Nex 7's 24mp is impressive (in D3200 the same sensor has underwhelming performance). For when a Pentax camera with the same sensor? I'm sure Pentax engineers will make that sensor shine.

For a new buyer who does not have any lenses, D5200 is clearly superior to k-5 II - both in terms of sensor as well as AF, especially when priced same.

JinDesu · 11-06-2012, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by yusuf

For a new buyer who does not have any lenses, D5200 is clearly superior to k-5 II - both in terms of sensor as well as AF, especially when priced same.

...how...wha...? Where do you even get the AF info? If it's the same as the D3200 (which is the same as the D5100), then it's not going to be superior. At all.

And the sensor..? The D3200's sensor performs worse in noise and dynamic range. It has more resolution, but that's it.

And the D5200 has to compete with the k-30, not the k-5II. Completely different class there...

11-01-2012, 05:27 AM	#1
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11-01-2012, 05:34 AM	#2
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Metering system not gimped, and nice to have movable LCD screen, but no info to make it a k-30 contender...

11-01-2012, 06:29 AM	#3
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	The D5200 is about checking boxes that make people think it is a great camera -- iso 25,000; 24 megapixels, 5 fps. Probably will have underwhelming specs in other areas, forcing people to upgrade to newer (hopefully full frame, from Nikon's standpoint) options.

11-01-2012, 06:33 AM	#4
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Considering a lot of people only look at MP, apparently it has already beaten Pentax.

11-01-2012, 06:49 AM	#5
causey Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,757	Nex 7's 24mp is impressive (in D3200 the same sensor has underwhelming performance). For when a Pentax camera with the same sensor? I'm sure Pentax engineers will make that sensor shine.

11-01-2012, 07:35 AM - 1 Like	#6
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by causey Nex 7's 24mp is impressive (in D3200 the same sensor has underwhelming performance). For when a Pentax camera with the same sensor? I'm sure Pentax engineers will make that sensor shine. Can they put the same effort into their autofocus system that they put into making the sensor shine?

11-01-2012, 12:50 PM	#7
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by causey Nex 7's 24mp is impressive (in D3200 the same sensor has underwhelming performance). For when a Pentax camera with the same sensor? I'm sure Pentax engineers will make that sensor shine. Has it been confirmed that the D3200 has the same sensor? There was some arguments here a few months ago.

11-01-2012, 04:11 PM	#8
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Has it been confirmed that the D3200 has the same sensor? It looks to be different from the Sony built 24MP sensor - the D3200 uses the Nikon NC81369R chip, according to Chipworks. Also according to Chipworks, the Sony A77 and NEX-7 use the Sony IMX096AQL 24MP sensor. So the Sony and Nikon 24MP APS-C sensors SEEM to be different. But their dxomark.com scores (eg in the D3200 and NEX-7) are virtually identical...

11-01-2012, 04:26 PM	#9
causey Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,757	Originally posted by rawr It looks to be different from the Sony built 24MP sensor - the D3200 uses the Nikon NC81369R chip, according to Chipworks. Also according to Chipworks, the Sony A77 and NEX-7 use the Sony IMX096AQL 24MP sensor. So the Sony and Nikon 24MP APS-C sensors SEEM to be different. But their dxomark.com scores (eg in the D3200 and NEX-7) are virtually identical... The fact that the sensors have different names doesn't necessarily exclude the possibility that they are basically the same. Perhaps the names refer to what various camera makers make of the same 'raw' sensor. Anyway, I hope Pentax gets something like what's in Nex 7. That sensor is fantastic.

11-01-2012, 05:18 PM	#10
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by causey The fact that the sensors have different names doesn't necessarily exclude the possibility that they are basically the same. Perhaps the names refer to what various camera makers make of the same 'raw' sensor. Anyway, I hope Pentax gets something like what's in Nex 7. That sensor is fantastic. It is a different sensor with a different pixel pitch.

11-01-2012, 06:16 PM	#11
causey Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,757	Originally posted by Winder It is a different sensor with a different pixel pitch. You're right... D3200's sensor is just a bit smaller: 15.4 x 23.2 vs. 15.6 x 23.5 in Nex 7. But I doubt this tiny difference can account for the obvious difference in IQ between the two cameras.

11-02-2012, 06:13 AM	#12
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by causey You're right... D3200's sensor is just a bit smaller: 15.4 x 23.2 vs. 15.6 x 23.5 in Nex 7. But I doubt this tiny difference can account for the obvious difference in IQ between the two cameras. The space between "pixels" is smaller as well. It is a different sensor, but even if spacing was identical it could still be different. Pentax is using a different 16MP sensor in the K-5 than they are in the K-30/K-01 (Per Adam from his Pentax interview). Right now I would expect that Pentax will use a sensor with more than 24MP. Sony makes the OM-D sensor ans that scales to 27MP in APS-C. A new NEX-7 should be out this Spring with a new sensor and it might be something totally different.

11-02-2012, 06:24 AM	#13
RBellavance Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Near Montréal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,716	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Has it been confirmed that the D3200 has the same sensor? There was some arguments here a few months ago. Thom Hogan has this to say about the D3200 sensor (ref. http://bythom.com/nikond3200review.htm): ...let's jump right to the big internal change: a 24mp Nikon-made DX sensor. A lot of folk were expecting Nikon to use the Sony 24mp sensor, and indeed when the first tests started to appear the fact that it tested pretty much like the Sony 24mp APS sensor made a lot of people think that the D3200 used a Sony sensor. It doesn't. The sensor inside is clearly packaged differently, and it's now been verified that it is a Nikon made sensor, right down to the internal etchings on the silicon itself. It's quite possible that there is intellectual property licensing going on between Nikon and Sony. There are a few too many commonalities amongst the two sensors for them to be a coincidence, but I don't think that's particularly important. That's because the D3200's sensor is as good as it gets for high megapixel count in the DX/APS size (at least to date as I write this). The quantum efficiency is a small bit lower than the Sony sensor, but the well saturation is a small bit higher (it's the near identical read noise that implies similar design)

11-06-2012, 08:52 AM	#14
yusuf Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Palo Alto, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,497	Originally posted by causey Nex 7's 24mp is impressive (in D3200 the same sensor has underwhelming performance). For when a Pentax camera with the same sensor? I'm sure Pentax engineers will make that sensor shine. For a new buyer who does not have any lenses, D5200 is clearly superior to k-5 II - both in terms of sensor as well as AF, especially when priced same.

11-06-2012, 09:04 AM	#15
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by yusuf For a new buyer who does not have any lenses, D5200 is clearly superior to k-5 II - both in terms of sensor as well as AF, especially when priced same. ...how...wha...? Where do you even get the AF info? If it's the same as the D3200 (which is the same as the D5100), then it's not going to be superior. At all. And the sensor..? The D3200's sensor performs worse in noise and dynamic range. It has more resolution, but that's it. And the D5200 has to compete with the k-30, not the k-5II. Completely different class there...