Samsung Full-Frame Mirror-less - March 2013

Winder · 01-16-2013, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by jpyykonen

Yeah, I guess... It would make it more Pentax like that way, right?

But TBH, more than that I also believe it's a new mount. Or maybe M-mount. If there will be one. I don't think current NX mount can handle fullframe sensor as the diameter is so small. Also current NX lenses hardly can handle FF (other than maybe 60mm macro and 85mm/1.4). But we'll see.

It does not appear that the NX mount can handle a FF sensor. This is just a rumor at this point and I actually doubt Samsung will do it. The NX-R is on the way, but I bet it has a APS-C sensor. I would love to see a NX body with a FF sensor, but I doubt it.

Winder · 01-16-2013, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by snake

If Samsung can overcome its many development problems, particularly slow/crippled hardware, underdeveloped firmware, NR issues, poor high ISO output, and lists of things they leave out or not develop correctly, things might be good here. Basically, if they're stepping up to FF, they have to make sure the overall camera performance is where it's at. FF isn't just a matter of dropping in a larger sensor to say you have it. It's a matter of getting the overall performance up to snuff to exploit it.

Unless Samsung is just doing it to get the kudos to say they got a FF mirrorless in, damning development of every other aspect, which they've done before.

Also, expect the .SRW files, which are huge, so they cripple and go 12 bit to reduce the size so the slow hardware can function with fewer lockups.

This is exactly why Samsung needs to partner with someone like Pentax who can deal with all of the issues you mention but lacks the resources to develop products.

Personally I am more interested in the Samsung 35mm x 35mm MF prototype. Samsung has been rapidly moving into their 5th generation of digital ILC cameras and they should be making some big improvements. The new NX300 looks interesting, but we will see how the sensor preforms and if the support technology and hardware is finally up to standards.

Kunzite · 01-16-2013, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Adam

That means we will probably see it at CP+.

Which is as likely as the real product, IMO (Samsung won't be at CP+). At least it's more reasonable than the MF rumor.

Raffwal · 01-17-2013, 10:24 PM

I'm not buying this. Either the rumor or the theoretical camera. As an NX user I have to say that after the initial big announcements, Samsung's camera efforts have been lackluster and halfhearted. I suspect most current NX lenses don't cover the FF area and like other posters, I'm not sure about the mount either. And Samsung starting yet another lens line and mount - nope. IF they will in fact release a FF camera in March, I think it will be something with a fixed lens like the RX1 but even that sounds pretty improbable.

TOUGEFC · 01-18-2013, 12:13 AM - **1 Like**

Way to go Samsung! Pentax just continues to get left even further behind

Kunzite · 01-18-2013, 07:07 AM

Wrong; the Pentax FF rumor was first.

mrNewt · 01-18-2013, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Wrong; the Pentax FF rumor was first.

Sooo true

audiobomber · 01-18-2013, 07:33 AM

Not a credible source. PhotoRumors still has Adam's annoying April Fool FF K-3 posted as a rumor. I don't doubt a new Samsung is coming, but it will be APS-C.

Laurentiu Cristofor · 01-18-2013, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Raffwal

And Samsung starting yet another lens line and mount - nope.

If they can make a better product, why not? I don't think the NX system sells as well as NEX, despite being quite on par with it as far as lenses go. So it's not like they would kill the golden goose with such a move. And financially, Samsung is doing great, so they can afford risks more than anyone else.

Raffwal · 01-18-2013, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor

If they can make a better product, why not?

First they make/badge engineer K mount cameras and lenses and drop them. Then they make NX mount cameras and lenses. And you think it would be a good idea for them to drop that as well and start a new one? Who'd trust the brand enough to invest one single dollar?

Winder · 01-18-2013, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Raffwal

First they make/badge engineer K mount cameras and lenses and drop them. Then they make NX mount cameras and lenses. And you think it would be a good idea for them to drop that as well and start a new one? Who'd trust the brand enough to invest one single dollar?

Where did someone say that they should drop the current NX mount? Why do they have to drop one to start a new one. Samsung is a pretty strong company. They are the only ones who seem to be able to go head to head with Apple right now. If they want to invest the resources in a new FF mount they definitely can. I'm not sure they actually will, but they have the ability.

Laurentiu Cristofor · 01-18-2013, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Raffwal

First they make/badge engineer K mount cameras and lenses and drop them.

Smart move.

Originally posted by Raffwal

Then they make NX mount cameras and lenses. And you think it would be a good idea for them to drop that as well and start a new one?

Nikon makes DX cameras and lenses - they didn't drop those to make the FX cameras. Same with Canon EF-S and EF mounts. There's place for two mounts in every manufacturer's stable. Look at Ricoh/Pentax - they have 3!

Originally posted by Raffwal

Who'd trust the brand enough to invest one single dollar?

Count me in.

snake · 01-20-2013, 02:13 AM

Anyone who would early adopt or commit to buy any Samsung, sight unseen, is the bad shopper that they bet on. This is why they still continue to throw features into cams, while failing to address the massive hardware and firmware development issues.

They cut corners everywhere and the more features they throw in, the more corners they are cutting elsewhere. A camera is more than just a sensor and maybe a lens, but they don't seem to know this. Nor do they know that ILCs require lenses, which they keep insisting are available, but then you have people all over DPR having to source gray market ones from S. Korea and other places around the world via ebay.

ageha · 02-10-2013, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by Adam

That means we will probably see it at CP+. Probably not going to use K-mount lenses, right?

Doesn't make any sense. Samsung doesn't sell cameras in Japan. Nobody there is so stupid to buy them.

cali92rs · 02-15-2013, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by ageha

Doesn't make any sense. Samsung doesn't sell cameras in Japan. Nobody there is so stupid to buy them.

Oh yea...
Crazy, bizarre Japan : theCHIVE

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01-16-2013, 08:23 AM	#16
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by jpyykonen Yeah, I guess... It would make it more Pentax like that way, right? But TBH, more than that I also believe it's a new mount. Or maybe M-mount. If there will be one. I don't think current NX mount can handle fullframe sensor as the diameter is so small. Also current NX lenses hardly can handle FF (other than maybe 60mm macro and 85mm/1.4). But we'll see. It does not appear that the NX mount can handle a FF sensor. This is just a rumor at this point and I actually doubt Samsung will do it. The NX-R is on the way, but I bet it has a APS-C sensor. I would love to see a NX body with a FF sensor, but I doubt it.

01-16-2013, 08:29 AM	#17
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by snake If Samsung can overcome its many development problems, particularly slow/crippled hardware, underdeveloped firmware, NR issues, poor high ISO output, and lists of things they leave out or not develop correctly, things might be good here. Basically, if they're stepping up to FF, they have to make sure the overall camera performance is where it's at. FF isn't just a matter of dropping in a larger sensor to say you have it. It's a matter of getting the overall performance up to snuff to exploit it. Unless Samsung is just doing it to get the kudos to say they got a FF mirrorless in, damning development of every other aspect, which they've done before. Also, expect the .SRW files, which are huge, so they cripple and go 12 bit to reduce the size so the slow hardware can function with fewer lockups. This is exactly why Samsung needs to partner with someone like Pentax who can deal with all of the issues you mention but lacks the resources to develop products. Personally I am more interested in the Samsung 35mm x 35mm MF prototype. Samsung has been rapidly moving into their 5th generation of digital ILC cameras and they should be making some big improvements. The new NX300 looks interesting, but we will see how the sensor preforms and if the support technology and hardware is finally up to standards.

01-16-2013, 10:37 AM	#18
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Adam That means we will probably see it at CP+. Which is as likely as the real product, IMO (Samsung won't be at CP+). At least it's more reasonable than the MF rumor.

01-17-2013, 10:24 PM	#19
Raffwal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The North Posts: 879	I'm not buying this. Either the rumor or the theoretical camera. As an NX user I have to say that after the initial big announcements, Samsung's camera efforts have been lackluster and halfhearted. I suspect most current NX lenses don't cover the FF area and like other posters, I'm not sure about the mount either. And Samsung starting yet another lens line and mount - nope. IF they will in fact release a FF camera in March, I think it will be something with a fixed lens like the RX1 but even that sounds pretty improbable.

01-18-2013, 12:13 AM - 1 Like	#20
TOUGEFC Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,561	Way to go Samsung! Pentax just continues to get left even further behind

01-18-2013, 07:07 AM	#21
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Wrong; the Pentax FF rumor was first.

01-18-2013, 07:19 AM	#22
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by Kunzite Wrong; the Pentax FF rumor was first. Sooo true

01-18-2013, 07:33 AM	#23
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Not a credible source. PhotoRumors still has Adam's annoying April Fool FF K-3 posted as a rumor. I don't doubt a new Samsung is coming, but it will be APS-C.

01-18-2013, 01:14 PM	#24
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	Originally posted by Raffwal And Samsung starting yet another lens line and mount - nope. If they can make a better product, why not? I don't think the NX system sells as well as NEX, despite being quite on par with it as far as lenses go. So it's not like they would kill the golden goose with such a move. And financially, Samsung is doing great, so they can afford risks more than anyone else.

01-18-2013, 02:55 PM	#25
Raffwal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The North Posts: 879	Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor If they can make a better product, why not? First they make/badge engineer K mount cameras and lenses and drop them. Then they make NX mount cameras and lenses. And you think it would be a good idea for them to drop that as well and start a new one? Who'd trust the brand enough to invest one single dollar?

01-18-2013, 08:03 PM	#26
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by Raffwal First they make/badge engineer K mount cameras and lenses and drop them. Then they make NX mount cameras and lenses. And you think it would be a good idea for them to drop that as well and start a new one? Who'd trust the brand enough to invest one single dollar? Where did someone say that they should drop the current NX mount? Why do they have to drop one to start a new one. Samsung is a pretty strong company. They are the only ones who seem to be able to go head to head with Apple right now. If they want to invest the resources in a new FF mount they definitely can. I'm not sure they actually will, but they have the ability.

01-18-2013, 11:50 PM	#27
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	Originally posted by Raffwal First they make/badge engineer K mount cameras and lenses and drop them. Smart move. Originally posted by Raffwal Then they make NX mount cameras and lenses. And you think it would be a good idea for them to drop that as well and start a new one? Nikon makes DX cameras and lenses - they didn't drop those to make the FX cameras. Same with Canon EF-S and EF mounts. There's place for two mounts in every manufacturer's stable. Look at Ricoh/Pentax - they have 3! Originally posted by Raffwal Who'd trust the brand enough to invest one single dollar? Count me in.

01-20-2013, 02:13 AM	#28
snake Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: NY/Germany Posts: 1,183	Anyone who would early adopt or commit to buy any Samsung, sight unseen, is the bad shopper that they bet on. This is why they still continue to throw features into cams, while failing to address the massive hardware and firmware development issues. They cut corners everywhere and the more features they throw in, the more corners they are cutting elsewhere. A camera is more than just a sensor and maybe a lens, but they don't seem to know this. Nor do they know that ILCs require lenses, which they keep insisting are available, but then you have people all over DPR having to source gray market ones from S. Korea and other places around the world via ebay.

02-10-2013, 12:15 AM	#29
ageha New Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Singapore Posts: 11	Originally posted by Adam That means we will probably see it at CP+. Probably not going to use K-mount lenses, right? Doesn't make any sense. Samsung doesn't sell cameras in Japan. Nobody there is so stupid to buy them.

02-15-2013, 09:41 AM	#30
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by ageha Doesn't make any sense. Samsung doesn't sell cameras in Japan. Nobody there is so stupid to buy them. Oh yea... Crazy, bizarre Japan : theCHIVE