Not Pentax, But Great D600 Deal

joe.penn · 02-20-2013, 08:05 AM

B&H Refurbished D600's - $1,599, these probably won't last long...

Used Nikon D600 Digital Camera (Body Only) 25488B B&H Photo

digital029art · 02-20-2013, 09:19 AM

wow, it's time for P-tax to step up!

**boriscleto** · 02-20-2013, 09:35 AM

It's only been out since the fall and they've already got referbs?

normhead · 02-20-2013, 09:43 AM

Didn't they have some kind of sensor stain issue? My problem going to a D600 isn't the cost of the camera (which by the way, if you're used to a K-5 feels incredibly cheap, both bulky and light), its the cost of the Trinity (14-24, 24-70 and 70-200). I'm better off with Pentax where they don't even have a Trinity to covet. It saves on the needless coveting.

joe.penn · 02-20-2013, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

It's only been out since the fall and they've already got referbs?

Originally posted by normhead

Didn't they have some kind of sensor stain issue?

These may be cleaned up demo units, I am sure they probably had the floor at the retail location loaded with these when they first came out...

Aegon · 02-20-2013, 10:17 AM

I own a rocket blower ($10), so the sensor stain issue isn't an issue for me.

This is a good solution to a problem that shouldn't exist, and Nikon should be ashamed for having this problem arise in the first place, but the fix isn't difficult or costly.

For the purpose of comparing prices, I bought the D600 with 24-85mm lens for $2000 in December. This included $120 in Adorama credit, redeemable a month later. It also included a Nikon ME-1 microphone and a foldable viewfinder, and selling both netted about $150. I resold the 24-85 for $350, bringing the D600 to an effective price of $1380, new. Add the rocket blower and I'm up to 1390, even though I've owned that for years.

I realize that this deal isn't for everybody, and it did require a lot of troublesome reselling, and you couldn't get this deal today even if you wanted, and it does come off as bragging or something though I don't intend it as such. All I'm doing is providing more info for price shoppers to mull when considering the value of the body.

tuco · 02-20-2013, 10:18 AM

There is nothing "cheap" about the D600's feel when you push the shutter button, Norm. The camera is fast and responsive compared to Pentax offerings. While many people on this forum love there K5 for size and other aesthetic reasons but for someone like me that all takes a back seat to a fast, responsive camera. And a larger body is a welcome feature when you start hanging those heavy zooms you noted.

I'm one for liking a quality built camera but in the case of digital cameras and their short life before being out dated, the construction quality of the D600 is sufficient for any enthusiast that will be upgrading on a regular basis, IMHO. YMMV.

**jhaji** · 02-20-2013, 10:39 AM

Maybe the refurbed D600 has the problem taken care of. But it would be great to have a full warranty like a new one instead of the 90-day warranty that is being offered... just in case

Oops, the 1-year Sq Trade warranty costs $225.

Adam · 02-20-2013, 10:58 AM

Moved to the non-Pentax section.

**boriscleto** · 02-20-2013, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by normhead

I'm better off with Pentax where they don't even have a Trinity to covet. It saves on the needless coveting.

31 - 43 - 77 isn't a trinity?

normhead · 02-20-2013, 02:15 PM

The only one of those I really covet is the 31.... so , less coveting this way. I have the 40 xs and FA 50 1.7 so 43 is kind of covered and the Sigma 70 macro, which is an amazing lens. So definitely less coveting staying with Pentax.

JinDesu · 02-20-2013, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Aegon

I own a rocket blower ($10), so the sensor stain issue isn't an issue for me.

I thought the staining was also caused by oil in the shutter mechanism, and it took wet cleaning to to actually clean the sensor.

Nikon D600 still showing dust/oil issues on image sensor but problem lessens over time - Imaging Resource

LensRentals.com - D600 Sensor Dust Issues

Quote:

There are, however, a number of comments from experienced photographers that are having oil spots on D600s. I’m not certain if they’re seeing the same, or a different phenomenon.

tuco · 02-20-2013, 03:00 PM

Check out this advertisement image for DxO FilmPack software

Click on on the brown tone image of the guy in sunglasses holding a camera. Look at all the dust on the sensor in the sky. And that is just what we can see. I don't know what camera was used but clearly anyone can get a dirty sensor. If you use your camera a lot and change lenses, chances are you'll need to clean it regularly.

Apparently, experience with oil or dust on the D600 is variable. I cleaned mine once when new and I'm still waiting to clean it again. Any longer of a wait and I'll consider it "normal" for any ILC.

Aegon · 02-20-2013, 03:25 PM

JinDesu,

Others report mixed findings, for example here: Flickr: Discussing Spots on D600 in Nikon D600 CLUB

Many flickr users report that a rocket blower works fine. Some others say that a wet clean was required. My personal experience suggests that a rocket blower is fine, but that may vary on a per-camera basis.

I knew of the issue before I bought the camera. Early adopters reported that after the first 4000 clicks or so the new dust slowed down or stopped appearing. I can't confirm this directly, but I was satisfied that even if oil was the problem then I would be able to clean the sensor at 4000 and carry on. In my case all it took was some rocket blowing. I could be lucky, or maybe some users aren't effectively using their rocket blower.

02-20-2013, 08:05 AM	#1
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boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	It's only been out since the fall and they've already got referbs?

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normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Didn't they have some kind of sensor stain issue? My problem going to a D600 isn't the cost of the camera (which by the way, if you're used to a K-5 feels incredibly cheap, both bulky and light), its the cost of the Trinity (14-24, 24-70 and 70-200). I'm better off with Pentax where they don't even have a Trinity to covet. It saves on the needless coveting.

02-20-2013, 09:48 AM	#5
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902 Original Poster	Originally posted by boriscleto It's only been out since the fall and they've already got referbs? Originally posted by normhead Didn't they have some kind of sensor stain issue? These may be cleaned up demo units, I am sure they probably had the floor at the retail location loaded with these when they first came out...

02-20-2013, 10:17 AM	#6
Aegon Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,416	I own a rocket blower ($10), so the sensor stain issue isn't an issue for me. This is a good solution to a problem that shouldn't exist, and Nikon should be ashamed for having this problem arise in the first place, but the fix isn't difficult or costly. For the purpose of comparing prices, I bought the D600 with 24-85mm lens for $2000 in December. This included $120 in Adorama credit, redeemable a month later. It also included a Nikon ME-1 microphone and a foldable viewfinder, and selling both netted about $150. I resold the 24-85 for $350, bringing the D600 to an effective price of $1380, new. Add the rocket blower and I'm up to 1390, even though I've owned that for years. I realize that this deal isn't for everybody, and it did require a lot of troublesome reselling, and you couldn't get this deal today even if you wanted, and it does come off as bragging or something though I don't intend it as such. All I'm doing is providing more info for price shoppers to mull when considering the value of the body.

02-20-2013, 10:18 AM	#7
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,027	There is nothing "cheap" about the D600's feel when you push the shutter button, Norm. The camera is fast and responsive compared to Pentax offerings. While many people on this forum love there K5 for size and other aesthetic reasons but for someone like me that all takes a back seat to a fast, responsive camera. And a larger body is a welcome feature when you start hanging those heavy zooms you noted. I'm one for liking a quality built camera but in the case of digital cameras and their short life before being out dated, the construction quality of the D600 is sufficient for any enthusiast that will be upgrading on a regular basis, IMHO. YMMV.

02-20-2013, 10:39 AM	#8
jhaji Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,141	Maybe the refurbed D600 has the problem taken care of. But it would be great to have a full warranty like a new one instead of the 90-day warranty that is being offered... just in case Oops, the 1-year Sq Trade warranty costs $225.

02-20-2013, 02:10 PM	#10
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by normhead I'm better off with Pentax where they don't even have a Trinity to covet. It saves on the needless coveting. 31 - 43 - 77 isn't a trinity?

02-20-2013, 02:15 PM	#11
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	The only one of those I really covet is the 31.... so , less coveting this way. I have the 40 xs and FA 50 1.7 so 43 is kind of covered and the Sigma 70 macro, which is an amazing lens. So definitely less coveting staying with Pentax.

02-20-2013, 02:29 PM	#12
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by Aegon I own a rocket blower ($10), so the sensor stain issue isn't an issue for me. I thought the staining was also caused by oil in the shutter mechanism, and it took wet cleaning to to actually clean the sensor. Nikon D600 still showing dust/oil issues on image sensor but problem lessens over time - Imaging Resource LensRentals.com - D600 Sensor Dust Issues Quote: There are, however, a number of comments from experienced photographers that are having oil spots on D600s. I’m not certain if they’re seeing the same, or a different phenomenon.

02-20-2013, 03:00 PM	#13
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,027	Check out this advertisement image for DxO FilmPack software Click on on the brown tone image of the guy in sunglasses holding a camera. Look at all the dust on the sensor in the sky. And that is just what we can see. I don't know what camera was used but clearly anyone can get a dirty sensor. If you use your camera a lot and change lenses, chances are you'll need to clean it regularly. Apparently, experience with oil or dust on the D600 is variable. I cleaned mine once when new and I'm still waiting to clean it again. Any longer of a wait and I'll consider it "normal" for any ILC.

02-20-2013, 03:25 PM	#14
Aegon Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,416	JinDesu, Others report mixed findings, for example here: Flickr: Discussing Spots on D600 in Nikon D600 CLUB Many flickr users report that a rocket blower works fine. Some others say that a wet clean was required. My personal experience suggests that a rocket blower is fine, but that may vary on a per-camera basis. I knew of the issue before I bought the camera. Early adopters reported that after the first 4000 clicks or so the new dust slowed down or stopped appearing. I can't confirm this directly, but I was satisfied that even if oil was the problem then I would be able to clean the sensor at 4000 and carry on. In my case all it took was some rocket blowing. I could be lucky, or maybe some users aren't effectively using their rocket blower.