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03-21-2013, 11:50 AM   #31
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PENTAX K-X, introduced way back in 2009, with dimension 123 x 92 x 68 mm (4.84 x 3.62 x 2.68″), compare to this Canon's 117 x 91 x 69 mm (4.61 x 3.58 x 2.72″). This 2013 Canon doesn't seem impressively small anymore, eh?

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QuoteOriginally posted by CRPhoto Quote
So, was the K-r (or K-x or K-2000) the previous "smallest DSLR in the world"?
I don't believe so (else it would have been advertised as such). Olympus's DSLRs may have been smaller and lighter.

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The K-x feels very solid in the hand, any bets on how solid the SL1 is going to feel? And even the K-x has 11 AF points, the SL1 only has 9. They even skimped on the buffer. The K-x could do 5 fps, the SL1 can only do 4.
I don't think you can just compare the specs directly like that. There are other things to consider as well, and considering that this camera is 4 years newer, it's bound to feel more responsive in just about every area- but it doesn't even matter as long as Pentax doesn't actually have a current offering to compete with it. I really hope that Pentax releases something new as an alternative to this onslaught of beginner DSLRs from Canon and Nikon.

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didn't the new pentax/ricoh pres. say that he saw their cameras getting smaller ? in one of his first interviews ?
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They're waiting for the 7D update, i know that for sure, in the mean time a 5IIs with a few primes will have to do.
true but many are getting anxious about the sensors...if 7D Mk II will sport the same "new" 18mpx sensor I can see many folks jumping..

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QuoteOriginally posted by boriscleto Quote
The K-x feels very solid in the hand
yeah, it feels like solid toy. I never liked it, and the build quality was well below that of K100D IMO.... (just to compare to other Pentax low end body)

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any bets on how solid the SL1 is going to feel?
I doubt it's going feel any worse than K-x, couldn't care less anyway though...

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And even the K-x has 11 AF points
which you can't see in the VF and not the easiest to select, and there are only 9 cross sensors

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the SL1 only has 9.
all cross types and if they follow the layout from 60D (indication is they will) the outermost points are better placed than on K-x

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The K-x could do 5 fps, the SL1 can only do 4.
Pentax had 2 lines in 2009.
K-x and K-7 = low end and high end, lower fps and higher fps
Canon with this camera will have 6 steps/levels ranging from 4 to 14 fps, if you want more fps choose other camera...


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I bet the K-x has longer battery life with AA Lithiums as well.
well possible. I loved the Lithiums whether in K100D or K-x but I was angry to see Pentax dropping the possibility to use CR-3V batteries like with K100D, they gave even better life


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If Pentax were to release a new low-end with specs comparable to the K-x/K-r with a 16MP sensor it would blow the SL1 away. Especially since the rumors have it at a $400 price point.
That's probably true but:
a) they have no choice than put more and better into low end camera since they only have 2 tier (ok maybe 3 tier) line up now, there are cameras in Canon line up that blow away K-x/r IMO
b) even if, due to better representation in stores and better marketing, Canon will still sell more of these crappy overpriced Rebels...

now, this post might make me look like Canon fanboy but I'm not, I just choose brand that gives me the most non-compromised option for what I want
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QuoteOriginally posted by glinda Quote
didn't the new pentax/ricoh pres. say that he saw their cameras getting smaller ? in one of his first interviews ?
oh, no...please not.
I can't see their upper end bodies getting any smaller than they are already. Please bring back K10/20D size body...

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QuoteOriginally posted by axl Quote
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all cross types (...)

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Nope. Only the central AF point of the Canon EOS 100D / Rebel SL1 is a cross-type sensor.

"The camera includes a new nine-point center cross-type autofocus" (see press release)

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Right from the B&H product page

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9-point Autofocus System
A 9-point AF system (including a high-precision dual-cross center point) provides fast and accurate autofocus performance when shooting with the viewfinder. The Center AF point is AF cross-type at f/5.6, Center AF point is vertical line-sensitive at f/2.8.
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QuoteOriginally posted by boriscleto Quote
Have you ever held a K-2000 or K-x? .....
K-x - 122.5 x 91.5 x 67.5mm
SL1 - 117 x 91 x 69mm ....
I love my K-x, even if it was introduced 3 1/2 years ago. Lately, I shoot primes, except for long telephoto. I was shooting some photos of a toddler with my K-x and 70mm/21mm combo, next to a guy with an m4/3rds, 14-42mm. The little pentax k-x is pretty impressive; the 70mm portrait shots are even more impressive. I'd like a k30, but I also really appreciate the k-x size.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Adam Quote
I don't believe so (else it would have been advertised as such). Olympus's DSLRs may have been smaller and lighter.
"Advertised"....really? Pentax? lol
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I don't believe so (else it would have been advertised as such). Olympus's DSLRs may have been smaller and lighter.
The 400 series was slightly wider but not as deep. (130x91x53) They were lighter (435/426g vs 580g)

The 520 was larger (136x92x68, 552g).

The 600 series slightly larger in width and height (130x94x60, 515/500g)
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It's ok. It will be a well selling camera.
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The press release from Canon states:

"* Among digital SLR cameras which use APS-C size equivalent sensors. As of March 1, 2013."

So I guess this takes Olympus out of the list. I would really believe that a Pentax was the previous record holder.
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Canon have always been behind in sensors, at least in APS-C. When I bought my K200D (just after it was discontinued) I remember being surprised that it was rated the best APS-C sensor on the market aside from the one in the Nikon D90. It was ahead of all the Canon sensors, even in the pro APS-C bodies. I think if you check now you'll find something similar when compared to newer sensors from Sony, and maybe others.

However, the big problem with Canon is the very poor build quality for the money you pay.
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It may be smaller, but you will still have to use those big canon lenses, so I don't see the gain really.
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