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12-22-2013, 12:37 AM   #466
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An evil thought passed my mind today.

5D is sold, so I no longer have a FF camera for my Takumars.

That frees up the a bit of money.
Was initially thinking of the A7, for my manual lenses, but then the thought went thru my head that I could sell off the DP1m too and top up a bit for the A7r (with the 5D+DP1m+a bit)
That would give me a smallish camera about the body size of the DP1M (exclude lenses of course) and a matching level of IQ.
On top of that, its a system camera (manual lenses only for me), better high ISO, better DR.

I've seen quite a few comparisons between D800e and DP1m to know that they are really close in IQ (though to me the foveon wins for the size, price and that little bit more of a punch in the IQ)

What do you guys think??

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I've been thinking of getting the A7. After looking thru all the posted info on both I like the A7 better for its AF and frame rate. It seems to be a bit more versatile for my purposes. Suspect I will wait another 6 months or so and see what AF lenses appear. My manual focus ability is very poor so I won't comment on using your Takumars. If you're missing FF I'd go for whichever best suits your style. I suspect I may just pick up a Fuji XA1 with 16-50mm for $499 for it's lowlight capabilities and save myself a bundle of cash. My DP2M won't be sold anytime soon. It's not just the IQ of the sigma but the overall 'look' of the images it produces that makes it a favorite.

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QuoteOriginally posted by barondla Quote
Thats a real money shot! Ivoire, what type of closeup filter are you using?
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Hope you have a safe,enjoyable trip and post some "postcards" in the forum.
Its the Sigma AML2 lens. Does an excellent job.

Thanks for good wishes on the trip. I'll have very limited internet access in Goa and still debating on taking a laptop. That will make posting 'during the trip' difficult.

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QuoteOriginally posted by pinholecam Quote
An evil thought passed my mind today.

5D is sold, so I no longer have a FF camera for my Takumars.

That frees up the a bit of money.
Was initially thinking of the A7, for my manual lenses, but then the thought went thru my head that I could sell off the DP1m too and top up a bit for the A7r (with the 5D+DP1m+a bit)
That would give me a smallish camera about the body size of the DP1M (exclude lenses of course) and a matching level of IQ.
On top of that, its a system camera (manual lenses only for me), better high ISO, better DR.

I've seen quite a few comparisons between D800e and DP1m to know that they are really close in IQ (though to me the foveon wins for the size, price and that little bit more of a punch in the IQ)

What do you guys think??
Not sure the 36 Mp sensor is the best choice if you plan to use old MF lenses since it's less forgiving and will exhibit the lens weaknesses more.

So if there was one I would go for a A7 with the 16 Mp Nikon Df sensor instead.

By the way I think it's no coincidence if Nikon chose a 16 Mp sensor for the Df since they knew a lot of people would use their old Nikon glass with it.

So I would go for the A7.

So you can have the DP1M in a pocket and the A7 with a 50mm lens in the other

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QuoteOriginally posted by NickLarsson Quote
Not sure the 36 Mp sensor is the best choice if you plan to use old MF lenses since it's less forgiving and will exhibit the lens weaknesses more.

So if there was one I would go for a A7 with the 16 Mp Nikon Df sensor instead.

By the way I think it's no coincidence if Nikon chose a 16 Mp sensor for the Df since they knew a lot of people would use their old Nikon glass with it.

So I would go for the A7.

So you can have the DP1M in a pocket and the A7 with a 50mm lens in the other
Good point Nick, but the A7 uses a 24mp sensor (perhaps for the same reason)
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QuoteOriginally posted by NickLarsson Quote
Not sure the 36 Mp sensor is the best choice if you plan to use old MF lenses since it's less forgiving and will exhibit the lens weaknesses more.
Just do not peep too much

A new firmware update for SD1M is released (v1.08)

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I just read a post on DPR, some interesting info :

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SIGMA has no plan to make a mirror less camera, no FF, no DP zoom

Here is an excerpt from a Japanese camera magazine.

http://www.impressjapan.jp/pdf/271401/1113110212free.pdf

In Kazuto Yamaki's interview, he said SIGMA is announcing a new camera in 2014, but FF Foveon is difficult because of the data size, speed, price, lens performance, etc.

It takes time to make a new sensor, so SIGMA will focus on improving the image quality using the same sensor. There used to be a lot of demand for the DP zoom, but after the DP3, less people want the DP zoom. Some customers want a wide angle DP0 or a 35mm DP1.5, so he might think about it.

He thinks improving the SD1 is more important than making a mirror less DP. He knows that many people want an interchangeable DP, but its priority is not high.
SIGMA has no plan to make a mirror less camera, no FF, no DP zoom: Sigma Camera Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

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QuoteOriginally posted by pinholecam Quote
An evil thought passed my mind today.
I think an A7r would be a better camera in nearly every respect, including resolution, except for one: size. The A7r is pretty darn small, but you still need to put a lens on it. That full-frame sensor demands big glass, and if you're using old glass, you'll also be using a big adapter to increase the registration distance, and the whole setup is going to be pretty big.

I'd find a way to rent or borrow an A7r and see how you like it. I hope you stick around, but you gotta use what suits you best, whatever that is.

QuoteOriginally posted by bvg Quote
A new firmware update for SD1M is released (v1.08)
Thanks for that. Looks like the SD1M is the only one with an update.

QuoteOriginally posted by NickLarsson Quote
I just read a post on DPR, some interesting info :
Interesting, but not surprising. The original Foveon stuck around from 2002 to 2010 with only minor, incremental tweaks along the way. At that rate, we can't really expect a revolutionary upgrade until 2018, full-frame or not.

It's funny to see how different companies are from one another. Pentax is a brand of a company with a parent corporation and lots of shareholders. Sigma, on the other hand, is completely private. Kazuto Yamaki is Sigma. New camera? He might think about it.

I'm hoping this new camera is a revised SD1. Just a few little tweaks, especially the addition of live view and faster photo processing, would be fantastic. Maybe they could bring back the top LCD, too.
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Oh I almost forgot, this thread is for pictures. Here's three from a walk on Friday, a rare cloudy day here, with the SD1M and 18-35 f/1.8, each at 18mm.

f/1.8


f/4.5


f/1.8 (accidentally)
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Thanks for all the opinions on the A7/DP1m.
I am rather aware of the pitfalls of the 36mp sensor.
Certainly food for thought....

Foveon does have its own special look over just more MP bayer sensors.
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Ok... back to this being an image thread.



I seem to get more from a single exposure on the DP1m than I do on my K30, despite the nosier shadows.
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I seem to get more from a single exposure on the DP1m than I do on my K30, despite the nosier shadows.
Beautiful shot. Is that the same building that was in the bottom-right of that pano you posted? What's it for?

I've gone back to using ISO 100 almost exclusively on mine. I lose one stop of highlight headroom, but I also get much cleaner shadows. It's worth the trade-off, IMO, and the DR is enough for almost everything I do. If it's not, there's always ISO 200.

Playing with negative Fill Light in SPP again. SD1M, ISO 100, 12-24 II at 12mm and f/8:



I used a real tripod, for once.
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Sigma DP1Merrill. Trying a little B&W.
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Beautiful shot. Is that the same building that was in the bottom-right of that pano you posted? What's it for?

I've gone back to using ISO 100 almost exclusively on mine. I lose one stop of highlight headroom, but I also get much cleaner shadows. It's worth the trade-off, IMO, and the DR is enough for almost everything I do. If it's not, there's always ISO 200.

Playing with negative Fill Light in SPP again. SD1M, ISO 100, 12-24 II at 12mm and f/8:



I used a real tripod, for once.
Like the delicate night light. Exposure is perfect. Tripods are good.

A lot of Sigma shooters feel that the dynamic range at ISO 100 can almost match ISO 200. Since 100 has less noise, you can pull up the shadows more before noise is a problem. I bounce back and forth. Usually shoot ISO 100. If really contrasty shoot 100 & 200 and decide later on the monitor.
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My area is back to 50-60 shots per battery temps. Brrrr.
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Beautiful shot. Is that the same building that was in the bottom-right of that pano you posted? What's it for?

Yes, its the same building.
Its called the 'Art Science Museum' and has different exhibits running thru the year.

Its supposed to be inspired by the lotus flower, but anyone with a Chinese background knows that its rooted in geomancy (or 'fengshui') and the big casinos believe in it too and incoorporate them in their casinos. (Sands in this case)
So in fengshui, ppl like to term it a '5 finger mountain' (which it looks like); an impregnable mountain/prison where there is no escape.
So the money goes into the casino, no going out
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