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09-11-2013, 04:41 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by hcarvalhoalves Quote
The 5S camera is killer.
Samsung have been 13Mb for a while now, this is still at 8.

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Samsung have been 13Mb for a while now, this is still at 8.
More megabytes on this size sensor is only worth so much. Nokia definitely has killed everyone else though in this department -- either more digital zoom or better low light photos...
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Personally, I think 8 MP is just fine considering that 90% of the time the pictures taken with the camera's phone end up on social media sites. Apple knows their phone is just a phone - not an artists, hobbyist, or professional photographer's tool. A bigger sensor is welcome though!

With all that said I still regret that they still don't allow access to the raw sensor data.
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If this is a trend, it's the nail on the coffin of the P&S market. Heck, it could very well burry the Pentax Q and a couple others too by the quality of the samples I saw. Only reason to buy a camera for casual use would be for wide/tele.

Well the P&S market has been doomed for a while now and just continues to get worse. What will camera phones be like in 5 years? P&S cameras better be FF monsters like the RX1 for them to compete

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Anyone remember when fstoppers did a fashion shoot with a 3GS? Imagine what they could with the 5S. It would be hilarious if someone got the cover of Vogue with an iPhone. Where is Benjamin K at?
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QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
Samsung have been 13Mb for a while now, this is still at 8.
Resolution alone doesn't matter though. Apple engineer explained on the presentation that they purposefully went with a smaller-resolution sensor since those have bigger pixels, capable of less noise and better dynamic range.
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QuoteOriginally posted by hcarvalhoalves Quote
Apple engineer explained on the presentation that they purposefully
I believe Apple "engineers" (more like the marketing guy that happens to be an engineer) can explain any and all things

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Resolution alone doesn't matter though. Apple engineer explained on the presentation that they purposefully went with a smaller-resolution sensor since those have bigger pixels, capable of less noise and better dynamic range.

HC, if you really believed the sales pitch that less but bigger pixels was the way to go, you'd choose the 4M HTC One instead.

The Apple camera is still only 8M when Samsung has gone to 13M, for instance. More rationally, the Nokia 1020 blows the lot away.
41M pixels, and a 1:1.5" sensor about double the size of the iPhone's.
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Still not as good as my K-30, but a better sensor than in my Nikon P7700 Compact. Lens is a different matter, of course!

Once upon a time, when the iPhone first came out with that Sony sensor it was the best camera in a phone you could buy.

But in recent years, there's been a failure not just to innovate, but to even keep up:

Landscape & Outdoor Portraits: Super Shootout: Samsung Galaxy S4 vs HTC One vs Apple iPhone 5 vs Nokia Lumia 920: Connect
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You're right, Bhairavp - 1/1.2" vs1/1.5".

Both have it all over the iPhone's sensor size, which Apple's press release refuses to mention, other than spin about it being15% bigger than its predecessor (which was 1/3.2").
No one has yet explained satisfactorially why sensor sizes are shown in fractions of inches instead of a simple millimetres. Surely it can't be for the US market - about the last holdout for non-metric measurements?
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QuoteOriginally posted by p38arover Quote
No one has yet explained satisfactorially why sensor sizes are shown in fractions of inches instead of a simple millimetres.
There's so much knowledge amongst the posters ... someone will know ...
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QuoteOriginally posted by p38arover Quote
No one has yet explained satisfactorially why sensor sizes are shown in fractions of inches instead of a simple millimetres. Surely it can't be for the US market - about the last holdout for non-metric measurements?
It's an old standard originally used for vacuum tubes in old TV-cameras, and they probably prefer to still use it, as it makes the sensor size seem bigger than it really is.
They include the glass in the vacuum tube for the diameter on CCD and CMOS sensor, even tough they don't have it.
FI a 1" sensor do not have a diagonal of 1" (25.4 mm), but 0.63" (16mm).

LensRentals.com - Sensor Size Matters – Part 1

(Many components in electronics are still based on inch unit).
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QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
You're right, Bhairavp - 1/1.2" vs1/1.5".

Both have it all over the iPhone's sensor size, which Apple's press release refuses to mention, other than spin about it being15% bigger than its predecessor (which was 1/3.2").
I bet it's still less than 1/2.3" that is in most low cost P&S cameras.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Fogel70 Quote
It's an old standard originally used for vacuum tubes in old TV-cameras, and they probably prefer to still use it, as it makes the sensor size seem bigger than it really is.
They include the glass in the vacuum tube for the diameter on CCD and CMOS sensor, even tough they don't have it.
FI a 1" sensor do not have a diagonal of 1" (25.4 mm), but 0.63" (16mm).

LensRentals.com - Sensor Size Matters – Part 1

(Many components in electronics are still based on inch unit).
Ahh. Thank you, Fogel. I just had a look at that blog. Very informative.

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AnandTech | Some Thoughts about the iPhone 5S Camera Improvements

Brian Klug seems to like what he's seen.
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New Camera in Apple’s iPhone 5s Features Sony Image Sensor

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Apple’s new camera in the iPhone 5s is receiving some high praise. While there is more to the camera than just the sensor, the image sensor is the backbone of the overall camera system. After tearing down the iPhone 5s, the folks at iFixit have determined that the 8MP sensor inside the camera is consistent with Sony design.

Sony is such a manufacturing powerhouse that it is no surprise to see its sensor inside the iPhone 5s – after also making the sensor for the iPhone 4s and iPhone 5. Sony’s image sensor quality, even in the compact camera sizes, is outstanding.
New Camera in Apple’s iPhone 5s Features Sony Image Sensor


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