A decent full frame option for pentax users

**Belnan** · 09-12-2013, 09:08 AM

(SR5) First short NEX-FF system hands-on report (We need lenses)! | sonyalpharumors

Two new FF mirrorless cameras from sony to come soon. Looks like the wait is over. It seems one may be more budget oriented. If one was at the 1500 price mark that would be sweet.

**Aristophanes** · 09-12-2013, 09:23 AM

Ah...the price.

20% larger than the NEX 7 makes it about the same size as the Fuji X-Pro 1.

Not a compact system:

Compare camera dimensions side by side

I would think the groused about 35/2.8 is a pancake style, reasonably affordable, and would more readily have edge to edge sharpness. The constant quest for f/1.4 glass gets a bit silly sometimes.

Waiting to see if the rumours are true.

stevebrot · 09-12-2013, 09:37 AM

Soooo...the decent FF option is a rumored mirrorless camera that can use adapted K-mount lenses with minimal supported functionality. Forgive me if I fail to be suitably excited.

Steve

Paul MaudDib · 09-12-2013, 09:38 AM

Definitely true, my 35/3.5 is not speedy but it's brutally sharp from a very modest 5-element design. Speed makes correcting for abberations much, much more difficult.

I think Sony is fully aware that a big draw to the system is adapting old lenses, which means they can't be taking big losses on the body. $2000 is pretty much par for the course for full frame, that's actually not too much of a disappointment.

Paul MaudDib · 09-12-2013, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Soooo...the decent FF option is a rumored mirrorless camera that can use adapted K-mount lenses with minimal supported functionality. Forgive me if I fail to be suitably excited.

A full frame camera in hand, with focus peaking and the ability to adapt to virtually any lens ever released, is worth a hundred Pentax full-frame bodies in the bush.

It's not even like Pentax provides full functionality on their bodies either. "Crippled" Ka2 mount, I'm looking at you. No screwdrive and no aperture lug is pretty shameful in my book too. Nikon does it for everything except their consumer-level bodies, it's not even offered on Pentax's flagship bodies.

And from what it sounds like, Sony is also working on a NEX body with a Contax AX style moving-sensor autofocus system. That would get you autofocus with not just Pentax but also any other lens.

Maybe once it becomes clear that someone is eating their lunch someone at Ricoh will light a fire under the FF project's butt. You never know. It would be a major shift in direction though, because Pentax's full frame lens lineup is definitely on the thin side nowadays.

jogiba · 09-12-2013, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Soooo...the decent FF option is a rumored mirrorless camera that can use adapted K-mount lenses with minimal supported functionality. Forgive me if I fail to be suitably excited.

Steve

If it works like my Pentax lenses on my full frame NEX-VG900 I don't see the problem. There are many people here using their Pentax lenses on APS-C NEX bodies so a full frame sensor is going to work the same except having a sensor twice the size.

Kunzite · 09-12-2013, 11:19 AM

It doesn't natively support K-mount lenses (with AF and stabilization), it has an EVF - nope, it's nowhere near "decent" for me.
Why are we even discussing a Sony product on a Pentax section?

jogiba · 09-12-2013, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

It doesn't natively support K-mount lenses (with AF and stabilization), it has an EVF - nope, it's nowhere near "decent" for me.
Why are we even discussing a Sony product on a Pentax section?

Because it's the only full frame that works with all Pentax lenses.

Kunzite · 09-12-2013, 02:38 PM

That doesn't make it a Pentax SLR camera.

jogiba · 09-13-2013, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

That doesn't make it a Pentax SLR camera.

Were did anyone say it was a Pentax SLR camera ?

Kunzite · 09-13-2013, 09:25 AM

We are on the Pentax SLR Cameras → Pentax Full Frame section. That camera of yours is neither Pentax, nor a SLR - thus this thread is off-topic and IMO it should be moved.
Anyway, it's pointless to continue; if you want to talk about Sony cameras on the Pentax sections, I can't stop you. Have a nice evening.

L.E. Thanks for moving the thread!

jogiba · 09-14-2013, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

We are on the Pentax SLR Cameras → Pentax Full Frame section. That camera of yours is neither Pentax, nor a SLR - thus this thread is off-topic and IMO it should be moved.
Anyway, it's pointless to continue; if you want to talk about Sony cameras on the Pentax sections, I can't stop you. Have a nice evening.

L.E. Thanks for moving the thread!

This thread is not about my Sony full frame camcorder , it's about the new Sony E mount full frame mirrorless cameras coming out with one like the NEX-7 but 20% larger and the other like the new A3000 that should also be 20% larger.

Nesster · 09-15-2013, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

We are on the Pentax SLR Cameras → Pentax Full Frame section. That camera of yours is neither Pentax, nor a SLR - thus this thread is off-topic and IMO it should be moved.

Would it not be ironic if Pentax ever did come out with a FF, it was not a SLR... the entire section would need to be burned at the stake

Kunzite · 09-15-2013, 06:20 AM

Since neither I nor Pentax believe in a FF MILC, I'll take the chance

Originally posted by jogiba

This thread is not about my Sony full frame camcorder , it's about the new Sony E mount full frame mirrorless cameras coming out with one like the NEX-7 but 20% larger and the other like the new A3000 that should also be 20% larger.

You're not contradicting what I said

snake · 09-15-2013, 06:27 AM

For a full frame, all I need is a good, fast fifty with AF. From there, I can improvise the other focal lengths using MF and peaking.

Since legacies are popular with the Sony crowd, this will likely be big news.

I also wonder if the ZK 24 1.8 can work on FF without cropping.

09-12-2013, 09:08 AM	#1
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090	A decent full frame option for pentax users (SR5) First short NEX-FF system hands-on report (We need lenses)! \| sonyalpharumors Two new FF mirrorless cameras from sony to come soon. Looks like the wait is over. It seems one may be more budget oriented. If one was at the 1500 price mark that would be sweet.

09-12-2013, 09:47 AM	#5
Paul MaudDib Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 294	Originally posted by stevebrot Soooo...the decent FF option is a rumored mirrorless camera that can use adapted K-mount lenses with minimal supported functionality. Forgive me if I fail to be suitably excited. A full frame camera in hand, with focus peaking and the ability to adapt to virtually any lens ever released, is worth a hundred Pentax full-frame bodies in the bush. It's not even like Pentax provides full functionality on their bodies either. "Crippled" Ka2 mount, I'm looking at you. No screwdrive and no aperture lug is pretty shameful in my book too. Nikon does it for everything except their consumer-level bodies, it's not even offered on Pentax's flagship bodies. And from what it sounds like, Sony is also working on a NEX body with a Contax AX style moving-sensor autofocus system. That would get you autofocus with not just Pentax but also any other lens. Maybe once it becomes clear that someone is eating their lunch someone at Ricoh will light a fire under the FF project's butt. You never know. It would be a major shift in direction though, because Pentax's full frame lens lineup is definitely on the thin side nowadays. Last edited by Paul MaudDib; 09-12-2013 at 09:53 AM.

09-13-2013, 09:25 AM	#11
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	We are on the Pentax SLR Cameras → Pentax Full Frame section. That camera of yours is neither Pentax, nor a SLR - thus this thread is off-topic and IMO it should be moved. Anyway, it's pointless to continue; if you want to talk about Sony cameras on the Pentax sections, I can't stop you. Have a nice evening. L.E. Thanks for moving the thread! Last edited by Kunzite; 09-13-2013 at 10:08 AM.

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09-12-2013, 09:23 AM	#2
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Ah...the price. 20% larger than the NEX 7 makes it about the same size as the Fuji X-Pro 1. Not a compact system: Compare camera dimensions side by side I would think the groused about 35/2.8 is a pancake style, reasonably affordable, and would more readily have edge to edge sharpness. The constant quest for f/1.4 glass gets a bit silly sometimes. Waiting to see if the rumours are true.

09-12-2013, 09:37 AM	#3
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Soooo...the decent FF option is a rumored mirrorless camera that can use adapted K-mount lenses with minimal supported functionality. Forgive me if I fail to be suitably excited. Steve

09-12-2013, 09:38 AM	#4
Paul MaudDib Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 294	Definitely true, my 35/3.5 is not speedy but it's brutally sharp from a very modest 5-element design. Speed makes correcting for abberations much, much more difficult. I think Sony is fully aware that a big draw to the system is adapting old lenses, which means they can't be taking big losses on the body. $2000 is pretty much par for the course for full frame, that's actually not too much of a disappointment.

09-12-2013, 10:57 AM	#6
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by stevebrot Soooo...the decent FF option is a rumored mirrorless camera that can use adapted K-mount lenses with minimal supported functionality. Forgive me if I fail to be suitably excited. Steve If it works like my Pentax lenses on my full frame NEX-VG900 I don't see the problem. There are many people here using their Pentax lenses on APS-C NEX bodies so a full frame sensor is going to work the same except having a sensor twice the size.

09-12-2013, 11:19 AM	#7
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	It doesn't natively support K-mount lenses (with AF and stabilization), it has an EVF - nope, it's nowhere near "decent" for me. Why are we even discussing a Sony product on a Pentax section?

09-12-2013, 01:54 PM	#8
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by Kunzite It doesn't natively support K-mount lenses (with AF and stabilization), it has an EVF - nope, it's nowhere near "decent" for me. Why are we even discussing a Sony product on a Pentax section? Because it's the only full frame that works with all Pentax lenses.

09-12-2013, 02:38 PM	#9
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	That doesn't make it a Pentax SLR camera.

09-13-2013, 07:36 AM	#10
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by Kunzite That doesn't make it a Pentax SLR camera. Were did anyone say it was a Pentax SLR camera ?

09-14-2013, 01:50 PM	#12
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by Kunzite We are on the Pentax SLR Cameras → Pentax Full Frame section. That camera of yours is neither Pentax, nor a SLR - thus this thread is off-topic and IMO it should be moved. Anyway, it's pointless to continue; if you want to talk about Sony cameras on the Pentax sections, I can't stop you. Have a nice evening. L.E. Thanks for moving the thread! This thread is not about my Sony full frame camcorder , it's about the new Sony E mount full frame mirrorless cameras coming out with one like the NEX-7 but 20% larger and the other like the new A3000 that should also be 20% larger.

09-15-2013, 04:00 AM	#13
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	Originally posted by Kunzite We are on the Pentax SLR Cameras → Pentax Full Frame section. That camera of yours is neither Pentax, nor a SLR - thus this thread is off-topic and IMO it should be moved. Would it not be ironic if Pentax ever did come out with a FF, it was not a SLR... the entire section would need to be burned at the stake

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09-15-2013, 06:20 AM	#14
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Since neither I nor Pentax believe in a FF MILC, I'll take the chance Originally posted by jogiba This thread is not about my Sony full frame camcorder , it's about the new Sony E mount full frame mirrorless cameras coming out with one like the NEX-7 but 20% larger and the other like the new A3000 that should also be 20% larger. You're not contradicting what I said

09-15-2013, 06:27 AM	#15
snake Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: NY/Germany Posts: 1,183	For a full frame, all I need is a good, fast fifty with AF. From there, I can improvise the other focal lengths using MF and peaking. Since legacies are popular with the Sony crowd, this will likely be big news. I also wonder if the ZK 24 1.8 can work on FF without cropping.