First look at Sony's A7r FF mirorless body

**RobA_Oz** · 10-15-2013, 11:45 PM

The sculpted grip doesn't sit well with the angular superstructure IMO, but given the size of it, I'd be carrying a spare battery, instead. If the IQ holds up, and Sony's track record suggests it will, this camera could cut the ground from under a lot of D800 (let alone D610) purchases. Those who want fast-tracking AF will probably not be swayed, and neither will be gear-heads with ego/size issues, but those simply wanting compact, light-weight FF bodies that are compatible with their existing lenses (especially if AF and/or AE adapters are available) will have to be looking hard at this one. It's the first Sony I've seriously thought about buying, particularly in the absence of a Pentax FF body, now. At the mooted price, it probably won't make a ton of money for Sony, but it might go close to breaking even.

bossa · 10-15-2013, 11:46 PM

Bad Purple Fringing in the shots shown in this video:
I think it's the Zeiss 35/2.8

You Tube

bossa · 10-15-2013, 11:50 PM

Hmm.. did I just hear that guy say that you have to pay extra to unlock features?

Yep, he said you can "pay at the pay stores" (whatever they are) to get interval timing etc.. possible via your smartphone.

**Digitalis** · 10-15-2013, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by bossa

did I just hear that guy say that you have to pay extra to unlock features?

Did that man speak disparagingly about rangefinders?

bossa · 10-16-2013, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

Did that man speak disparagingly about rangefinders?

I believe so.

PS> Is anyone else having issues with these forums not loading pages?

bossa · 10-16-2013, 12:02 AM

The way things are going I expect Ricoh to announce a FF version of the K-3 in about a month.

bossa · 10-16-2013, 12:37 AM

Hmm, apparently the battery charger is an optional "extra"

nosnoop · 10-16-2013, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by bossa

Hmm.. did I just hear that guy say that you have to pay extra to unlock features?

Yep, he said you can "pay at the pay stores" (whatever they are) to get interval timing etc.. possible via your smartphone.

Those are Apps you can purchase.
And if you have bought it for your current NEX camera, you can use it for the new camera too, and no need to buy again. (Up to 10 Sony cameras).

nosnoop · 10-16-2013, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by bossa

Hmm, apparently the battery charger is an optional "extra"

He may be referring to an external battery charger.

It comes with a USB Charger to charge the battery in-camera. External battery charger is optional.

Clavius · 10-16-2013, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by nosnoop

Those are Apps you can purchase.
And if you have bought it for your current NEX camera, you can use it for the new camera too, and no need to buy again. (Up to 10 Sony cameras).

Lovers say: So you only pay for feature you actually use?
Haters: You have to pay for features that should have been included?

I personally don't know about this one.

**Digitalis** · 10-16-2013, 01:31 AM

There is this comment on the Dpreview " the worlds smallest... until you put something you need on it...A lens"

I cannot help but wonder how this camera will balance with heavier lenses like the popular 24-70mm and 70-200mm f/2.8 lenses on it. The grip may very well be a necessity with top level glass (which does tend to be rather heavy) for instance I get cramps in my wrist when I use a Canon 5D with the 24-70mm f/2.8L on it - which is one reason why I skipped the 5D cameras and went straight to the 1 series - they are designed with big heavy lenses in mind. To my eyes the FE 35mm f/2.8 isn't really any smaller than the DA35mm f/2.4.

And with the mount adapters this camera are going to make the camera even more awkward to handle -

look at that thing, it's a frigging brick!

nosnoop · 10-16-2013, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Lovers say: So you only pay for feature you actually use?
Haters: You have to pay for features that should have been included?
I personally don't know about this one.

I like it. Apart from pay once, use in multiple cameras, the Apps are also being updated.
And when new Apps come out, you camera would also gain new additional features.

Uluru · 10-16-2013, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

There is this comment on the Dpreview " the worlds smallest... until you put something you need on it...A lens"
..
look at that thing, it's a frigging brick!

That thought hits many Sony users and reviewers only after the purchase and when they need to mount the lens and maybe even use the camera — for which a lens (!) is needed.
In the meantime, we'll listen to the tirade that K-3 "is a (big) dinosaur", or something like that ...

Can't wrestle against the common lowest denominator of ignorance — it's not worth it.

PBandJ · 10-16-2013, 03:49 AM

And they said the k-01 was fugly. It's a beauty compared to this!

dankoBanana · 10-16-2013, 04:19 AM

the lenses are just to expensive

10-16-2013, 01:31 AM	#116
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	There is this comment on the Dpreview " the worlds smallest... until you put something you need on it...A lens" I cannot help but wonder how this camera will balance with heavier lenses like the popular 24-70mm and 70-200mm f/2.8 lenses on it. The grip may very well be a necessity with top level glass (which does tend to be rather heavy) for instance I get cramps in my wrist when I use a Canon 5D with the 24-70mm f/2.8L on it - which is one reason why I skipped the 5D cameras and went straight to the 1 series - they are designed with big heavy lenses in mind. To my eyes the FE 35mm f/2.8 isn't really any smaller than the DA35mm f/2.4. And with the mount adapters this camera are going to make the camera even more awkward to handle - look at that thing, it's a frigging brick! Last edited by Digitalis; 10-16-2013 at 03:53 AM.

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PBandJ Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Washington DC metro area Photos: Gallery Posts: 480	And they said the k-01 was fugly. It's a beauty compared to this! Attached Images

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10-15-2013, 11:45 PM	#106
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,196	The sculpted grip doesn't sit well with the angular superstructure IMO, but given the size of it, I'd be carrying a spare battery, instead. If the IQ holds up, and Sony's track record suggests it will, this camera could cut the ground from under a lot of D800 (let alone D610) purchases. Those who want fast-tracking AF will probably not be swayed, and neither will be gear-heads with ego/size issues, but those simply wanting compact, light-weight FF bodies that are compatible with their existing lenses (especially if AF and/or AE adapters are available) will have to be looking hard at this one. It's the first Sony I've seriously thought about buying, particularly in the absence of a Pentax FF body, now. At the mooted price, it probably won't make a ton of money for Sony, but it might go close to breaking even.

10-15-2013, 11:50 PM	#108
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Hmm.. did I just hear that guy say that you have to pay extra to unlock features? Yep, he said you can "pay at the pay stores" (whatever they are) to get interval timing etc.. possible via your smartphone.

10-15-2013, 11:53 PM	#109
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by bossa did I just hear that guy say that you have to pay extra to unlock features? Did that man speak disparagingly about rangefinders?

10-16-2013, 12:01 AM	#110
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by Digitalis Did that man speak disparagingly about rangefinders? I believe so. PS> Is anyone else having issues with these forums not loading pages?

10-16-2013, 12:02 AM	#111
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	The way things are going I expect Ricoh to announce a FF version of the K-3 in about a month.

10-16-2013, 12:37 AM	#112
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Hmm, apparently the battery charger is an optional "extra"

10-16-2013, 12:52 AM	#113
nosnoop Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,299	Originally posted by bossa Hmm.. did I just hear that guy say that you have to pay extra to unlock features? Yep, he said you can "pay at the pay stores" (whatever they are) to get interval timing etc.. possible via your smartphone. Those are Apps you can purchase. And if you have bought it for your current NEX camera, you can use it for the new camera too, and no need to buy again. (Up to 10 Sony cameras).

10-16-2013, 12:53 AM	#114
nosnoop Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,299	Originally posted by bossa Hmm, apparently the battery charger is an optional "extra" He may be referring to an external battery charger. It comes with a USB Charger to charge the battery in-camera. External battery charger is optional.

10-16-2013, 01:19 AM	#115
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by nosnoop Those are Apps you can purchase. And if you have bought it for your current NEX camera, you can use it for the new camera too, and no need to buy again. (Up to 10 Sony cameras). Lovers say: So you only pay for feature you actually use? Haters: You have to pay for features that should have been included? I personally don't know about this one.

10-16-2013, 01:37 AM	#117
nosnoop Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,299	Originally posted by Clavius Lovers say: So you only pay for feature you actually use? Haters: You have to pay for features that should have been included? I personally don't know about this one. I like it. Apart from pay once, use in multiple cameras, the Apps are also being updated. And when new Apps come out, you camera would also gain new additional features.

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10-16-2013, 03:09 AM	#118
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Digitalis There is this comment on the Dpreview " the worlds smallest... until you put something you need on it...A lens" .. look at that thing, it's a frigging brick! That thought hits many Sony users and reviewers only after the purchase and when they need to mount the lens and maybe even use the camera — for which a lens (!) is needed. In the meantime, we'll listen to the tirade that K-3 "is a (big) dinosaur", or something like that ... Can't wrestle against the common lowest denominator of ignorance — it's not worth it.

10-16-2013, 04:19 AM	#120
dankoBanana Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Zagreb, Croatia Posts: 533	the lenses are just to expensive