FULL FRAME PENTAX....by Sony?

kenafein · 10-17-2013, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by Wired

I'm actually surprised Sony didn't do what Nikon did and chip the batteries so you can only use first party stuff.

They did, but manufacturers are getting clever. Sony even made it so that you couldn't use older versions, of the same battery, in newer cameras for awhile. The third party guys got around Nikon and Sony's protections. I use Wasabi batteries for both.

Lars · 10-17-2013, 09:18 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by richard balonglong

Look at that Sony A7 with a Pentax lens mounted on it...
Very Tempting...

If Pentax/Ricoh ever is going to replace K01, I think they should look at this one.

Make it K.mount with circular protrusion (correct word?) in place of the K-adaptor on this camera.
Maybe use this ring for aperture control or other.

Slightly larger/deeper grip could probably be used without destroying the impression of sleek/thin camera!?

/Lars

normhead · 10-17-2013, 09:22 AM - **2 Likes**

I guess this is in the Pentax section, instead of the sections provided for users of other cameras because using Pentax in the name somehow makes it of use to other users? A camera made by another company that with use of a crippling adapter will use Pentax lenses is not a Pentax Full Frame. Unless of course putting a Mercedes symbol on the front of my Volkswagen Beetle makes it a Mercedes. This is disingenuous at best. We must have some really serious Sony shills at work here.

**Eric Auer** · 10-17-2013, 10:11 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by normhead

I guess this is in the Pentax section, instead of the sections provided for users of other cameras because using Pentax in the name somehow makes it of use to other users? A camera made by another company that with use of a crippling adapter will use Pentax lenses is not a Pentax Full Frame. Unless of course putting a Mercedes symbol on the front of my Volkswagen Beetle makes it a Mercedes. This is disingenuous at best. We must have some really serious Sony shills at work here.

Wow.............

Just camera talk man.......Ask a Mod to move it if it pisses you off so much.

kenafein · 10-17-2013, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Lars

If Pentax/Ricoh ever is going to replace K01, I think they should look at this one.

Make it K.mount with circular protrusion (correct word?) in place of the K-adaptor on this camera.
Maybe use this ring for aperture control or other.

Slightly larger/deeper grip could probably be used without destroying the impression of sleek/thin camera!?

/Lars

That's not a K-mount adapter, it's a Leica M adapter. The lens is the Leica M version of the Pentax 43LTD. It sure does look good on there though.

Kunzite · 10-17-2013, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Corto-PA

Wow.............

Just camera talk man.......Ask a Mod to move it if it pisses you off so much.

Sorry in advance about the rant... please skip if that's not what you want to hear.

I'm getting sick of seeing Sony everywhere. And SHOUTING that it's a "full frame Pentax"? (the N-th thread on the same line). Can't we see the differences between a Pentax and a Sony? (note: I'm not saying one is superior to another, just that they're different).
I can see those differences very well, I made my choice years ago and I'm sticking with it (because it remains valid). How about those pretending a Sony product is "Pentax"? Shouldn't they make up their minds, about which brand they prefer?

About a true Pentax FF... I'm reasonably sure my new sig is adequate to the subject. Not that I can max out my current camera...

jcdoss · 10-17-2013, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Lars

If Pentax/Ricoh ever is going to replace K01, I think they should look at this one.
Make it K.mount with circular protrusion (correct word?) in place of the K-adaptor on this camera.
Maybe use this ring for aperture control or other.
Slightly larger/deeper grip could probably be used without destroying the impression of sleek/thin camera!?
/Lars

I agree. I'm using a NEX6, and if I were to change two things to make it handle better it would be deeper grip and replace the thumb dial with a front dial. The K30 grip is quite excellent. so put that on and I'd be set. Also, I'm using a Lens Turbo most of the time now... its length is longer than the Leica adapter shown above but shorter than the standard adapter, so it works out fairly well.

jogiba · 10-17-2013, 11:59 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Wired

But if you bought a high end Fire arm and they didn't include the bolt?

Let me get this straight, do you think the A7 and A7r have no way to charge the battery unless you buy a battery charger ?

zxaar · 10-17-2013, 12:54 PM

my wait is over. A7 plus pentax legacy lenses is all i need. now i do not care if pentax ever makes ff.

rawr · 10-17-2013, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I'm getting sick of seeing Sony everywhere. And SHOUTING that it's a "full frame Pentax"? (the N-th thread on the same line). Can't we see the differences between a Pentax and a Sony?

I feel the same. Too much Sony Sony Sony Sony around here.

Sony can make some nice gear - I have a RX100, plus a NEX F3 with some NEX lenses and accessories - but the Sony fanboyism here has recently gone over the top. It's boring.

**Eric Auer** · 10-17-2013, 01:37 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rawr

I feel the same. Too much Sony Sony Sony Sony around here.

Sony can make some nice gear - I have a RX100, plus a NEX F3 with some NEX lenses and accessories - but the Sony fanboyism here has recently gone over the top. It's boring.

Stop.

The only boring thing here is people who have to label others.

I like Photography. Period.

I did not realize that I cant talk about photography in general on your Pentax fanboy Forum.

Man is fanboy a stupid word.

kenafein · 10-17-2013, 01:49 PM - **1 Like**

Sony has released an exciting new product that a lot of people have wanted. I don't see what's wrong with a little enthusiasm. What's with the backlash? Obviously people are excited to be able to use their Pentax lenses, because they appreciate Pentax glass. I suppose early adopters might be disappointed if Pentax releases a FF camera soon, but FF rumors have been going on since 2008 or before. M42, K and M users aren't likely going to get much better compatibility from a Pentax branded camera. This is an exciting time for all camera enthusiasts. When one camera company breaks the mold, the rest are soon to follow, hopefully, with more innovation.

Clavius · 10-17-2013, 01:53 PM

Well anybody who now is still prepared to wait for the Pentax unicorn can be considered (how shall I put it differently then?) a Pentax-fan.

Nothing wrong with Sony, everybody complaining about the enthusiasm are just sour grapes / jealousy.

**dunerunner** · 10-17-2013, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Corto-PA

Stop.

The only boring thing here is people who have to label others.

I like Photography. Period.

I did not realize that I cant talk about photography in general on your Pentax fanboy Forum.

Man is fanboy a stupid word.

+++1 to that!
If the Sony A7r turns out to work well with an adapter with my older Pentax lenses I may very well pick one up.

normhead · 10-17-2013, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

Well anybody who now is still prepared to wait for the Pentax unicorn can be considered (how shall I put it differently then?) a Pentax-fan.

Nothing wrong with Sony, everybody complaining about the enthusiasm are just sour grapes / jealousy.

I guess patience is no longer a virtue, better to go for everything right now. Actually there is something wrong with the A7, A7r... there are very few FE lenses, it will take years to have even the 50 or so lenses currently in production for K-mount, forget about the 100 or so that use AF in K-mount. And if the A-7 A7r doesn't do well, it will be what you see is what you get. You can use derisivbe terms for the Pentax FF, but Sony FE glass is rock solid I suppose? Funny how if Pentax doesn't have it out right now its a unicorn, but if Sony doesn't have it out, it taken assumed to be real. A slight double standard here maybe?

OK so which is worse, Pentax's unicorn camera, or Sony's unicorn lenses? I bet Pentax has an FF before Sony has completed it's Lens Map. Or are you assuming everyone will be happy going back to the camera stone age before AF? That's a heck of a business plan.

10-17-2013, 09:18 AM - 1 Like	#32
Lars Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Helsingborg, Sweden Posts: 72	Originally posted by richard balonglong Look at that Sony A7 with a Pentax lens mounted on it... Very Tempting... If Pentax/Ricoh ever is going to replace K01, I think they should look at this one. Make it K.mount with circular protrusion (correct word?) in place of the K-adaptor on this camera. Maybe use this ring for aperture control or other. Slightly larger/deeper grip could probably be used without destroying the impression of sleek/thin camera!? /Lars Attached Images

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10-17-2013, 08:29 AM	#31
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	Originally posted by Wired I'm actually surprised Sony didn't do what Nikon did and chip the batteries so you can only use first party stuff. They did, but manufacturers are getting clever. Sony even made it so that you couldn't use older versions, of the same battery, in newer cameras for awhile. The third party guys got around Nikon and Sony's protections. I use Wasabi batteries for both.

10-17-2013, 09:22 AM - 2 Likes	#33
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	I guess this is in the Pentax section, instead of the sections provided for users of other cameras because using Pentax in the name somehow makes it of use to other users? A camera made by another company that with use of a crippling adapter will use Pentax lenses is not a Pentax Full Frame. Unless of course putting a Mercedes symbol on the front of my Volkswagen Beetle makes it a Mercedes. This is disingenuous at best. We must have some really serious Sony shills at work here.

10-17-2013, 10:11 AM - 2 Likes	#34
Eric Auer Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,211	Originally posted by normhead I guess this is in the Pentax section, instead of the sections provided for users of other cameras because using Pentax in the name somehow makes it of use to other users? A camera made by another company that with use of a crippling adapter will use Pentax lenses is not a Pentax Full Frame. Unless of course putting a Mercedes symbol on the front of my Volkswagen Beetle makes it a Mercedes. This is disingenuous at best. We must have some really serious Sony shills at work here. Wow............. Just camera talk man.......Ask a Mod to move it if it pisses you off so much.

10-17-2013, 10:29 AM	#35
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	Originally posted by Lars If Pentax/Ricoh ever is going to replace K01, I think they should look at this one. Make it K.mount with circular protrusion (correct word?) in place of the K-adaptor on this camera. Maybe use this ring for aperture control or other. Slightly larger/deeper grip could probably be used without destroying the impression of sleek/thin camera!? /Lars That's not a K-mount adapter, it's a Leica M adapter. The lens is the Leica M version of the Pentax 43LTD. It sure does look good on there though.

10-17-2013, 11:16 AM	#36
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Corto-PA Wow............. Just camera talk man.......Ask a Mod to move it if it pisses you off so much. Sorry in advance about the rant... please skip if that's not what you want to hear. I'm getting sick of seeing Sony everywhere. And SHOUTING that it's a "full frame Pentax"? (the N-th thread on the same line). Can't we see the differences between a Pentax and a Sony? (note: I'm not saying one is superior to another, just that they're different). I can see those differences very well, I made my choice years ago and I'm sticking with it (because it remains valid). How about those pretending a Sony product is "Pentax"? Shouldn't they make up their minds, about which brand they prefer? About a true Pentax FF... I'm reasonably sure my new sig is adequate to the subject. Not that I can max out my current camera...

10-17-2013, 11:36 AM	#37
jcdoss Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Ingelheim am Rhein, Germany Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,769	Originally posted by Lars If Pentax/Ricoh ever is going to replace K01, I think they should look at this one. Make it K.mount with circular protrusion (correct word?) in place of the K-adaptor on this camera. Maybe use this ring for aperture control or other. Slightly larger/deeper grip could probably be used without destroying the impression of sleek/thin camera!? /Lars I agree. I'm using a NEX6, and if I were to change two things to make it handle better it would be deeper grip and replace the thumb dial with a front dial. The K30 grip is quite excellent. so put that on and I'd be set. Also, I'm using a Lens Turbo most of the time now... its length is longer than the Leica adapter shown above but shorter than the standard adapter, so it works out fairly well.

10-17-2013, 11:59 AM - 1 Like	#38
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by Wired But if you bought a high end Fire arm and they didn't include the bolt? Let me get this straight, do you think the A7 and A7r have no way to charge the battery unless you buy a battery charger ?

10-17-2013, 12:54 PM	#39
zxaar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: kobe/japan Posts: 510	my wait is over. A7 plus pentax legacy lenses is all i need. now i do not care if pentax ever makes ff.

10-17-2013, 01:31 PM	#40
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Kunzite I'm getting sick of seeing Sony everywhere. And SHOUTING that it's a "full frame Pentax"? (the N-th thread on the same line). Can't we see the differences between a Pentax and a Sony? I feel the same. Too much Sony Sony Sony Sony around here. Sony can make some nice gear - I have a RX100, plus a NEX F3 with some NEX lenses and accessories - but the Sony fanboyism here has recently gone over the top. It's boring.

10-17-2013, 01:37 PM - 1 Like	#41
Eric Auer Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,211	Originally posted by rawr I feel the same. Too much Sony Sony Sony Sony around here. Sony can make some nice gear - I have a RX100, plus a NEX F3 with some NEX lenses and accessories - but the Sony fanboyism here has recently gone over the top. It's boring. Stop. The only boring thing here is people who have to label others. I like Photography. Period. I did not realize that I cant talk about photography in general on your Pentax fanboy Forum. Man is fanboy a stupid word.

10-17-2013, 01:49 PM - 1 Like	#42
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	Sony has released an exciting new product that a lot of people have wanted. I don't see what's wrong with a little enthusiasm. What's with the backlash? Obviously people are excited to be able to use their Pentax lenses, because they appreciate Pentax glass. I suppose early adopters might be disappointed if Pentax releases a FF camera soon, but FF rumors have been going on since 2008 or before. M42, K and M users aren't likely going to get much better compatibility from a Pentax branded camera. This is an exciting time for all camera enthusiasts. When one camera company breaks the mold, the rest are soon to follow, hopefully, with more innovation.

10-17-2013, 01:53 PM	#43
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Well anybody who now is still prepared to wait for the Pentax unicorn can be considered (how shall I put it differently then?) a Pentax-fan. Nothing wrong with Sony, everybody complaining about the enthusiasm are just sour grapes / jealousy.

10-17-2013, 01:53 PM	#44
dunerunner Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: The Black Hills Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,108	Originally posted by Corto-PA Stop. The only boring thing here is people who have to label others. I like Photography. Period. I did not realize that I cant talk about photography in general on your Pentax fanboy Forum. Man is fanboy a stupid word. +++1 to that! If the Sony A7r turns out to work well with an adapter with my older Pentax lenses I may very well pick one up.

10-17-2013, 02:04 PM	#45
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Clavius Well anybody who now is still prepared to wait for the Pentax unicorn can be considered (how shall I put it differently then?) a Pentax-fan. Nothing wrong with Sony, everybody complaining about the enthusiasm are just sour grapes / jealousy. I guess patience is no longer a virtue, better to go for everything right now. Actually there is something wrong with the A7, A7r... there are very few FE lenses, it will take years to have even the 50 or so lenses currently in production for K-mount, forget about the 100 or so that use AF in K-mount. And if the A-7 A7r doesn't do well, it will be what you see is what you get. You can use derisivbe terms for the Pentax FF, but Sony FE glass is rock solid I suppose? Funny how if Pentax doesn't have it out right now its a unicorn, but if Sony doesn't have it out, it taken assumed to be real. A slight double standard here maybe? OK so which is worse, Pentax's unicorn camera, or Sony's unicorn lenses? I bet Pentax has an FF before Sony has completed it's Lens Map. Or are you assuming everyone will be happy going back to the camera stone age before AF? That's a heck of a business plan.