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03-03-2014, 01:07 PM   #1
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Red Epic Dragon jumps to top of DxOMark Sensor charts with score of 101 !

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Over the past few years, DxOMark's tests and scores have provided a numerical measure for the Raw image quality potential of cameras. They've therefore been debated at some length by enthusiasts looking to see where their favourite model stands in the rankings. Now there's a new DxOMark Sensor score champion, but perhaps surprisingly, the first camera to break the 100-point barrier isn't a full frame model from Nikon or Sony, but the RED Epic Dragon movie camera. How did it manage that?
Red Epic Dragon jumps to top of DxOMark Sensor charts with score of 101: Digital Photography Review



6144 x 3160 pixels @ 85fps !

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03-03-2014, 03:56 PM   #2
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While the results and quality of output from this specially-adapted Epic Dragon are awesome, itís all the more extraordinary, considering the sensor size and pixel pitch. Itís hard to imagine anyone being disappointed by the Dragonís performance (except maybe at extremely high ISO).

Given the Epic Dragonís price tag, this camera isnít for everyone, but it will appeal to those that demand the most nuanced color and with widest possible dynamic range.

More importantly, the ability to choose a high quality still photo from a movie sequence will be invaluable to time-pressured imaging professionals, in the studio or elsewhere. While this will take some time to filter down to consumer level HD-DSLRs, this new technology just may forever change the way both footage and stills are shot in the future.
Conclusion - DxOMark

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ACQUISITION FORMATS

6K RAW (2:1, 2.4:1)
5K RAW (Full Frame, 2:1, 2.4:1 and Anamorphic 2:1)
4.5K RAW (2.4:1)
4K RAW (16:9, HD, 2:1 and Anamorphic 2:1)
3K RAW (16:9, 2:1 and Anamorphic 2:1)
2K RAW (16:9, 2:1 and Anamorphic 2:1)
1080p RGB (16:9)
720p RGB (16:9)
PROJECT FRAME RATES
23.98, 24, 25, 29.97, 47.96, 48, 50, 59.94 fps, all resolutions

1-100 fps 6K
1-120 fps 5K, 4.5K 

1-150 fps
4K 
1-200 fps
3K 
1-300 fps 2K
EPIC DRAGON
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SENSOR 19 MEGAPIXEL DRAGON™
PIXEL ARRAY 6144 (h) x 3160 (v)
Interesting. I wonder who makes the sensor.
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What is the equivalent shutter speed this records in? If you want to grab a still from a video of, say, a person moving around, I'd think 1/60 of a second for 60FPS would make for a blurry image depending on how fast they're moving.

And if you are recording in a a compressed video format, you don't want to grab just any frame for a still. You want a key frame for best IQ in lieu of an interpolated frame.

Whatever happen to their Scarlet for under $3K? I was really interested in that at the time.


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Whatever happen to their Scarlet for under $3K? I was really interested in that at the time.
I think they realized their target market is not hobbyists. They are still cheaper than the really high end cameras and the people that use them tend to really like them. You buy a modular system and are sure that it will all work together.

I think Black Magic Cinema and the better m4/3's offerings are going to own the sub 3k space. Canon also could do well with the new AF system in the 70d if it makes it into a full frame some day and Canon ups the capability a little.
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What is the equivalent shutter speed this records in? If you want to grab a still from a video of, say, a person moving around, I'd think 1/60 of a second for 60FPS would make for a blurry image depending on how fast they're moving.

And if you are recording in a a compressed video format, you don't want to grab just any frame for a still. You want a key frame for best IQ in lieu of an interpolated frame.

Whatever happen to their Scarlet for under $3K? I was really interested in that at the time.
My full frame Sony VG900 camcorder has jpeg/RAW still shutter speeds up to 1/8000 sec and video shutter speeds even higher at up to 1/10000 that I have tested with my 85mm F1.4 in sunlight . I am sure the RED DRAGON EPIC has higher shutter speeds than 1/60 sec since it does up to 300fps. There are some 4K and 6K cameras coming from China that might start at $3K.
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My full frame Sony VG900 camcorder has jpeg/RAW still shutter speeds up to 1/8000 sec and video shutter speeds even higher at up to 1/10000 that I have tested with my 85mm F1.4 in sunlight . I am sure the RED DRAGON EPIC has higher shutter speeds than 1/60 sec since it does up to 300fps. There are some 4K and 6K cameras coming from China that might start at $3K.
News Shooter | Chinese camera maker Kinifinity announce 4K KineMINI hybrid camera system
News Shooter | Chinese KineMAX 6K RAW cinema camera development announced
Thanks for the info.
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$30k?

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$30k?

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Try shooting 4K House of Cards with anything less.
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QuoteOriginally posted by tuco Quote
What is the equivalent shutter speed this records in? If you want to grab a still from a video of, say, a person moving around, I'd think 1/60 of a second for 60FPS would make for a blurry image depending on how fast they're moving.

And if you are recording in a a compressed video format, you don't want to grab just any frame for a still. You want a key frame for best IQ in lieu of an interpolated frame.
I can't remember the highest shutter speed at the moment, but the RED cameras have a great selection of speeds to choose from. They definitely allow up to 1/1000 or higher to help freeze motion. They can make excellent stills, hence the DSMC (Digital Still and Motion Camera) that RED calls their cameras.

For work, I pull quite a few stills from our Epic footage, and nearly every frame of slow motion footage is crisp enough to use, so long as you select an appropriate shutter speed.
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Epic-m red dragon (carbon fiber) and magnesium lens mount

$50,000 for the ultra-light carbon fiber brain.
EPIC-M RED DRAGON (CARBON FIBER) W/ SIDE SSD MODULE (CARBON FIBER) AND MAGNESIUM LENS MOUNT | RED Digital Cinema store (US)




Old RED EPIC shot of Rooney Mara shot by David Fincher
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Ugh. I'd love to get my hands on a set of master primes for a day.
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Ugh. I'd love to get my hands on a set of master primes for a day.
$1,700 a day for the set of master primes.

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$1,700 a day for the set of master primes.
Next time the budget allows us some extra rentals....
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