Surprising rumor: First hints about a Sony medium format camera?

RyanW · 03-27-2014, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by rawr

But what lenses?
Surely it isn't going to be E-mount.

Oh, they'll probably have an adaptor

-ducks-

---------- Post added 03-27-14 at 14:47 ----------

Originally posted by Emacs

X-trans will not work for MF: it is the niche for people who know what they want and it will be too hard to feed this fuji BS about X-Trans as it was for niche of clueless amateurs.

Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

Kunzite · 03-27-2014, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

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Nice try, but those are A-mount lenses. Let's decide which system we're talking about and stick to that, OK?

philbaum, I really doubt Sony could enforce such things on Ricoh. And actually there's a civilized alternative, licensing the mount.
The rumor is made up, though, just like the Olympus, Samsung, Canon, Nikon DMF rumors.

**Rondec** · 03-27-2014, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by philbaum

The thing that is different with Sony is that: When they say they are coming out with something completely different - THEY REALLY DO IT

With most other camera makers - its often just another iteration.

Remember when you first saw the Nex - looked pretty ugly to me and now i own 2

Another factor to consider is that Sony's version of the focus peaking and magnify is the best out there, from what i;ve read and from what i've experienced on my 2 nexs.

Another thought: Sony sold this MF sensor to Hasselblad and Pentax. What if that contract includes the rights for Sony to make adapters to use AF lenses from Hasse and Pentax in exchange for the supply of MF sensors??? So Sony would make a body and supply sensors that would enable existing AF MF lenses from other mfr to be used on their bodies. Sounds a little farfetched but Pentax would be dead in the water without a new MF sensor.

I think Sony's sensor department is separate from their camera department. I know there have been times that Nikon got exclusive deals on sensors before Sony's own guys got access to them. I don't buy that Sony makes enough money on their cameras to see them selling a camera without glass (although they do seem to do it a lot). Traditionally, in medium format, the glass makes as much money (or more) than the camera bodies.

jogiba · 03-27-2014, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Nice try, but those are A-mount lenses. Let's decide which system we're talking about and stick to that, OK?

philbaum, I really doubt Sony could enforce such things on Ricoh. And actually there's a civilized alternative, licensing the mount.
The rumor is made up, though, just like the Olympus, Samsung, Canon, Nikon DMF rumors.

The Sony full frame VG900, A7 and A7r have full-time continuous Phase Detection AF with Sony A mount lenses using the LA-EA4 adapter.

Sony A7R with LA-EA4 adapter on the Sony 70-400 G lens

Kunzite · 03-27-2014, 04:50 PM

Adapters, schmadapters. Whatever. It's a system with 4 native lenses (plus one soon to be released).
Who would buy a $2200 lens (+ $380 adapter) just to adapt it to a foreign mount? Since you counted all of them, who would buy a $13000 lens just to adapt it to a foreign mount?

Rondec: yes, they are separate departments.

Emacs · 03-28-2014, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by RyanW

Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

I may instead tell you about image processing in general and why the xtrans is initially limited in resolution what once led Bruce Bayer to use the type of filter which is now known under his name.
I repeat, Fuji marketing may work for clueless amateurs, but it won't work for people who know what they are doing.

Clavius · 03-28-2014, 02:47 AM

LOL @ "Adapters, schmadapters."

Originally posted by Kunzite

It's a system with 4 native lenses (plus one soon to be released).
Who would buy a $2200 lens (+ $380 adapter) just to adapt it to a foreign mount? Since you counted all of them, who would buy a $13000 lens just to adapt it to a foreign mount?

Pentaxians would.

If the FF Pentax was to have a new mount, and Pentax would guarantee backwards compatibility through an AF adapter, then Pentaxians with all kinds of brilliant K-mount lenses would gladly buy such an adapter. And they would herald Pentax for it too. Especially if it was done prettier and smaller then the ugly Sony contraption. Of course some users would be disappointed too and switch, but those tend to be a lot less vocal then the ones that are happy and stick around.

Kunzite · 03-28-2014, 03:19 AM

I'm a Pentaxian, and I definitely wouldn't. I want no stinkin' adapters, I want no stinkin' mirrorless mount which would eliminate the optical viewfinder and require me to pay more in order to use my lenses with limitations. Yes, there are always limitations. I want Pentax products, not something else with a Pentax label on it.
Those who want adapters should go to Sony already. They can even stack adapters on top of each other if they think adapting is so wonderful.
Contrary to what you're saying, it's those wanting new mounts and adapters and "a better Sony than Sony" products who are unhappy and complains a lot. People reasonably happy with Pentax don't have such urges; how would it work, "I'm happy with my Pentax DSLR and lenses, so I want to switch to a new system"?

Clavius · 03-28-2014, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I'm a Pentaxian, and I definitely wouldn't. I want no stinkin' adapters, I want no stinkin' mirrorless mount which would eliminate the optical viewfinder and require me to pay more in order to use my lenses with limitations. Yes, there are always limitations. I want Pentax products, not something else with a Pentax label on it.
Those who want adapters should go to Sony already. They can even stack adapters on top of each other if they think adapting is so wonderful.
Contrary to what you're saying, it's those wanting new mounts and adapters and "a better Sony than Sony" products who are unhappy and complains a lot. People reasonably happy with Pentax don't have such urges; how would it work, "I'm happy with my Pentax DSLR and lenses, so I want to switch to a new system"?

I'm happy with my Pentax gear as well. And if Pentax were to change ways, or change mounts, I would not hesitate for a single moment to get that addional adapter to be able to continue using my Pentax lenses. Because even if a mount would change, those lenses would still be just as good as they were before.

That's what's happening at Sony. There are some very loyal A-mount users that have a stockpile of above excellent glass. Sony would be dumb not to provide an AF adapter for them. That's the intention of the adapter. Not twisted the other way round, as you implied with: "
It's a system with 4 native lenses (plus one soon to be released).
Who would buy a $2200 lens (+ $380 adapter) just to adapt it to a foreign mount? Since you counted all of them, who would buy a $13000 lens just to adapt it to a foreign mount?"

jogiba · 03-28-2014, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Yes, there are always limitations. I want Pentax products, not something else with a Pentax label on it.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/169-pentax-full-frame/252996-know-anyone-...pentax-ff.html

**Rondec** · 03-28-2014, 05:47 AM

We are going fairly far afield here, since I think the discussion is about medium format. I do think it is an issue to ditch your mount really quickly. If Pentax released a 645 D MK II with a shorter registration distance, an EVF, and an adapter to allow for the use of current 645 lenses with auto focus (for the price $999), people would flip out and I don't think it would generate that much increase in sales from non-Pentax users.

But, I do think the medium format market is different and I don't believe that a NEX style medium format camera would be a huge seller, even if it was just priced at 6000 dollars.

jogiba · 03-28-2014, 06:01 AM

Quote:

We are going fairly far afield here, since I think the discussion is about medium format.

Just like other Sony camera discussions it turned into a "I hate Sony" thread. It's amazing they would purchase a Ricoh/Pentax camera with Sony sensor.

LFLee · 03-28-2014, 06:14 AM

The discussion here fit a lot of the description here...

You Tube

Clavius · 03-28-2014, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

Just like other Sony camera discussions it turned into a "I hate Sony" thread. It's amazing they would purchase a Ricoh/Pentax camera with Sony sensor.

Oh but Pentax is able to pull much more out of that exact same Sony sensor then Sony itself. Because after purchasing the sensors from Sony, Pentax secretly sprays them with a layer of the top secret PXDST-coating.

**monochrome** · 03-28-2014, 06:25 AM

There are a few regular posters of whom I simply cannot understand the motivation.

And before you Reply with the obvious response, yes, I am on my own list.

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03-27-2014, 01:45 PM	#61
RyanW Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 583	Originally posted by rawr But what lenses? Surely it isn't going to be E-mount. Oh, they'll probably have an adaptor -ducks- ---------- Post added 03-27-14 at 14:47 ---------- Originally posted by Emacs X-trans will not work for MF: it is the niche for people who know what they want and it will be too hard to feed this fuji BS about X-Trans as it was for niche of clueless amateurs. Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

03-27-2014, 02:04 PM	#62
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by jogiba SLR Lenses, DSLR Lenses \| B&H Photo Video Nice try, but those are A-mount lenses. Let's decide which system we're talking about and stick to that, OK? philbaum, I really doubt Sony could enforce such things on Ricoh. And actually there's a civilized alternative, licensing the mount. The rumor is made up, though, just like the Olympus, Samsung, Canon, Nikon DMF rumors.

03-27-2014, 02:17 PM	#63
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by philbaum The thing that is different with Sony is that: When they say they are coming out with something completely different - THEY REALLY DO IT With most other camera makers - its often just another iteration. Remember when you first saw the Nex - looked pretty ugly to me and now i own 2 Another factor to consider is that Sony's version of the focus peaking and magnify is the best out there, from what i;ve read and from what i've experienced on my 2 nexs. Another thought: Sony sold this MF sensor to Hasselblad and Pentax. What if that contract includes the rights for Sony to make adapters to use AF lenses from Hasse and Pentax in exchange for the supply of MF sensors??? So Sony would make a body and supply sensors that would enable existing AF MF lenses from other mfr to be used on their bodies. Sounds a little farfetched but Pentax would be dead in the water without a new MF sensor. I think Sony's sensor department is separate from their camera department. I know there have been times that Nikon got exclusive deals on sensors before Sony's own guys got access to them. I don't buy that Sony makes enough money on their cameras to see them selling a camera without glass (although they do seem to do it a lot). Traditionally, in medium format, the glass makes as much money (or more) than the camera bodies.

03-27-2014, 03:06 PM	#64
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite Nice try, but those are A-mount lenses. Let's decide which system we're talking about and stick to that, OK? philbaum, I really doubt Sony could enforce such things on Ricoh. And actually there's a civilized alternative, licensing the mount. The rumor is made up, though, just like the Olympus, Samsung, Canon, Nikon DMF rumors. The Sony full frame VG900, A7 and A7r have full-time continuous Phase Detection AF with Sony A mount lenses using the LA-EA4 adapter. Sony A7R with LA-EA4 adapter on the Sony 70-400 G lens

03-27-2014, 04:50 PM	#65
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Adapters, schmadapters. Whatever. It's a system with 4 native lenses (plus one soon to be released). Who would buy a $2200 lens (+ $380 adapter) just to adapt it to a foreign mount? Since you counted all of them, who would buy a $13000 lens just to adapt it to a foreign mount? Rondec: yes, they are separate departments.

03-28-2014, 12:59 AM	#66
Emacs Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Moscow Posts: 1,223	Originally posted by RyanW Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. I may instead tell you about image processing in general and why the xtrans is initially limited in resolution what once led Bruce Bayer to use the type of filter which is now known under his name. I repeat, Fuji marketing may work for clueless amateurs, but it won't work for people who know what they are doing.

03-28-2014, 02:47 AM	#67
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	LOL @ "Adapters, schmadapters." Originally posted by Kunzite It's a system with 4 native lenses (plus one soon to be released). Who would buy a $2200 lens (+ $380 adapter) just to adapt it to a foreign mount? Since you counted all of them, who would buy a $13000 lens just to adapt it to a foreign mount? Pentaxians would. If the FF Pentax was to have a new mount, and Pentax would guarantee backwards compatibility through an AF adapter, then Pentaxians with all kinds of brilliant K-mount lenses would gladly buy such an adapter. And they would herald Pentax for it too. Especially if it was done prettier and smaller then the ugly Sony contraption. Of course some users would be disappointed too and switch, but those tend to be a lot less vocal then the ones that are happy and stick around.

03-28-2014, 03:19 AM	#68
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I'm a Pentaxian, and I definitely wouldn't. I want no stinkin' adapters, I want no stinkin' mirrorless mount which would eliminate the optical viewfinder and require me to pay more in order to use my lenses with limitations. Yes, there are always limitations. I want Pentax products, not something else with a Pentax label on it. Those who want adapters should go to Sony already. They can even stack adapters on top of each other if they think adapting is so wonderful. Contrary to what you're saying, it's those wanting new mounts and adapters and "a better Sony than Sony" products who are unhappy and complains a lot. People reasonably happy with Pentax don't have such urges; how would it work, "I'm happy with my Pentax DSLR and lenses, so I want to switch to a new system"?

03-28-2014, 04:40 AM	#69
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Kunzite I'm a Pentaxian, and I definitely wouldn't. I want no stinkin' adapters, I want no stinkin' mirrorless mount which would eliminate the optical viewfinder and require me to pay more in order to use my lenses with limitations. Yes, there are always limitations. I want Pentax products, not something else with a Pentax label on it. Those who want adapters should go to Sony already. They can even stack adapters on top of each other if they think adapting is so wonderful. Contrary to what you're saying, it's those wanting new mounts and adapters and "a better Sony than Sony" products who are unhappy and complains a lot. People reasonably happy with Pentax don't have such urges; how would it work, "I'm happy with my Pentax DSLR and lenses, so I want to switch to a new system"? I'm happy with my Pentax gear as well. And if Pentax were to change ways, or change mounts, I would not hesitate for a single moment to get that addional adapter to be able to continue using my Pentax lenses. Because even if a mount would change, those lenses would still be just as good as they were before. That's what's happening at Sony. There are some very loyal A-mount users that have a stockpile of above excellent glass. Sony would be dumb not to provide an AF adapter for them. That's the intention of the adapter. Not twisted the other way round, as you implied with: " It's a system with 4 native lenses (plus one soon to be released). Who would buy a $2200 lens (+ $380 adapter) just to adapt it to a foreign mount? Since you counted all of them, who would buy a $13000 lens just to adapt it to a foreign mount?"

03-28-2014, 04:51 AM	#70
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491 Original Poster	Quote: Yes, there are always limitations. I want Pentax products, not something else with a Pentax label on it. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/169-pentax-full-frame/252996-know-anyone-...pentax-ff.html

03-28-2014, 05:47 AM	#71
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	We are going fairly far afield here, since I think the discussion is about medium format. I do think it is an issue to ditch your mount really quickly. If Pentax released a 645 D MK II with a shorter registration distance, an EVF, and an adapter to allow for the use of current 645 lenses with auto focus (for the price $999), people would flip out and I don't think it would generate that much increase in sales from non-Pentax users. But, I do think the medium format market is different and I don't believe that a NEX style medium format camera would be a huge seller, even if it was just priced at 6000 dollars.

03-28-2014, 06:01 AM	#72
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491 Original Poster	Quote: We are going fairly far afield here, since I think the discussion is about medium format. Just like other Sony camera discussions it turned into a "I hate Sony" thread. It's amazing they would purchase a Ricoh/Pentax camera with Sony sensor.

03-28-2014, 06:21 AM	#74
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by jogiba Just like other Sony camera discussions it turned into a "I hate Sony" thread. It's amazing they would purchase a Ricoh/Pentax camera with Sony sensor. Oh but Pentax is able to pull much more out of that exact same Sony sensor then Sony itself. Because after purchasing the sensors from Sony, Pentax secretly sprays them with a layer of the top secret PXDST-coating.

03-28-2014, 06:25 AM	#75
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	There are a few regular posters of whom I simply cannot understand the motivation. And before you Reply with the obvious response, yes, I am on my own list.