Low cost entry level FF E-mount camera coming ?

jogiba · 07-24-2014, 06:10 AM

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Last week I reported about the registration of a new Sony System Camera at the Indonesian agency Postel. The camera is registered with the code “WW024382” which usually defines a Full Frame camera.

An anonymous source said that this is the cheap entry level FF E-mount camera.

I am yet not sure about the rumor but like I told you before Sony indeed published a patent describing such a camera. And here is the official design:

(SR2) Is the registered camera the new entry level FF E-mount? | sonyalpharumors

If it's an A6000 with full frame sensor it would be a winner IMHO.

Last edited by jogiba; 07-24-2014 at 06:17 AM.

6BQ5 · 07-24-2014, 06:38 AM

I wouldn't be surprised. Sony probably spent some serious coin developing this FF sensor. They need to sell this tech to anyone and everyone as much as possible to make up the costs.

Sony is a sensor company who makes cameras in order to test the tech. Pentax, Canon, Nikon, etc are camera companies who are the intended customers of Sony's tech. If they see how well the Sony sensor works in a Sony body then they know how much better it work in their own bodies!

VoiceOfReason · 07-24-2014, 06:38 AM

I wonder where that low cost price would fall and what the specs would be.

Clavius · 07-24-2014, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by 6BQ5

I wouldn't be surprised. Sony probably spent some serious coin developing this FF sensor. They need to sell this tech to anyone and everyone as much as possible to make up the costs.

Sony is a sensor company who makes cameras in order to test the tech.

Ummm... Even if that ever really was the case, the recent explosion in quality Sony photographic products proves that they intend to be a serious provider of photographic products. Not just a mere Sensor provider. Eventually their sensor customers will turn into competitors in the photographic market. There already has been much speculation on what will happen by that time.

Originally posted by 6BQ5

Pentax, Canon, Nikon, etc are camera companies who are the intended customers of Sony's tech. If they see how well the Sony sensor works in a Sony body then they know how much better it work in their own bodies!

I've never been able to follow that logic. Common sense would dictate that Sony knows best how to use their own sensors. Even the sensor in the K-5 and the Nex 5n seemed to prove that for a fact. The Nex 5n produces noticably sharper images with better colours.

JimmyDranox · 07-24-2014, 07:39 AM

Canon makes his own sensors. And Nikon use sensors from Toshiba, not only from Sony.

Kunzite · 07-24-2014, 08:03 AM

How much cheaper could they get? I mean, the A7 is nothing special apart from having a "full frame" sensor. Full-plastic construction? No viewfinder, or a cheaper one?

ChristianRock · 07-24-2014, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

I've never been able to follow that logic. Common sense would dictate that Sony knows best how to use their own sensors. Even the sensor in the K-5 and the Nex 5n seemed to prove that for a fact. The Nex 5n produces noticably sharper images with better colours.

What camera/lens combinations were used to verify this? .jpg or raw?

Originally posted by Kunzite

How much cheaper could they get? I mean, the A7 is nothing special apart from having a "full frame" sensor. Full-plastic construction? No viewfinder, or a cheaper one?

Probably a smaller body with no EVF, and less controls, I'd say...

rawr · 07-24-2014, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by JimmyDranox

And Nikon use sensors from Toshiba, not only from Sony.

For it's DSLR's, Nikon uses sensors from Toshiba, Sony, Aptina. As far as I am aware, the D7100 is the only recent Nikon DSLR that actually used a Toshiba chip. D90 was Sony, D7000 was Sony, D800 was Sony, can't remember who did the D600.

jcdoss · 07-24-2014, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

If it's an A6000 with full frame sensor it would be a winner IMHO.

That's what I'm waiting for. I really like having the EVF on the corner of the camera, and the form factor of the NEX-6 has grown on me.

ChristianRock · 07-24-2014, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by rawr

For it's DSLR's, Nikon uses sensors from Toshiba, Sony, Aptina. As far as I am aware, the D7100 is the only recent Nikon DSLR that actually used a Toshiba chip. D90 was Sony, D7000 was Sony, D800 was Sony, can't remember who did the D600.

Don't the D3200, D3300, D5200 and D5300 also use the Toshiba sensor? My impression is that they do, since the ISO numbers are similar to the D7100.

rawr · 07-24-2014, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

Don't the D3200, D3300, D5200 and D5300 also use the Toshiba sensor?

Probably, at least the 24MP APS-C ones. But I haven't made any effort to keep up with all the recent Nikon's.

RyanW · 07-24-2014, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by rawr

For it's DSLR's, Nikon uses sensors from Toshiba, Sony, Aptina. As far as I am aware, the D7100 is the only recent Nikon DSLR that actually used a Toshiba chip. D90 was Sony, D7000 was Sony, D800 was Sony, can't remember who did the D600.

Nikon made the sensor in the D4(s) and DF

---------- Post added 07-24-14 at 13:15 ----------

One other thought, an entry level FF is not likely to be purchased by entry level APS-C folk. I mean we aren't' going to see a FF for $599 with kit lens. So really, it would be the APS-C higher end buyer that would be entertaining thoughts of FF. So... is that buyer willing to give up the perks of the higher end APS-C cameras for an entry level FF?

Things like:
dual cards
dual wheels
weather sealing
robust build
more capable AF
higher FPS
Micro-adjust (only applies to dslr/dslt)
availability of a battery grip
bigger, longer lasting batteries (doesn't seem applicable in the mirrorless world though)
top display

What are you willing to jettison to say you have a FF camera?

jogiba · 07-24-2014, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by RyanW

Nikon made the sensor in the D4(s) and DF

---------- Post added 07-24-14 at 13:15 ----------

One other thought, an entry level FF is not likely to be purchased by entry level APS-C folk. I mean we arent' going to see a FF for $599 with kit lens. So really, it would be the APS-C higher end buyer that would be entertaining thoughts of FF. So... is that buyer willing to give up the perks of the higher end APS-C cameras for an entry level FF?

Things like:
dual cards
dual wheels
weather sealing
robust build
more capable AF
higher FPS
Micro-adjust (only applies to dslr/dslt)
availability of a battery grip
bigger, longer lasting batteries (doesn't seem applicable in the mirrorless world though)
top display

What are you willing to jettison to say you have a FF camera?

You could keep spinning that APS-C feature stuff until the cows come home but I bet there would be many wanting an A6000 with full frame sensor.

RyanW · 07-24-2014, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

You could keep spinning that APS-C feature stuff until the cows come home but I bet there would be many wanting an A6000 with full frame sensor.

Probably current A7 owners that want better AF

I don't doubt it, but go read a little in the Nikon and Canon forums. Many don't like the D610 or 6D as they see them crippled compared to the higher end APS-C bodies.

Sony is not going to release a budget FF that has better specs than the A99 or the A7(x). So the A6000 with a FF sensor would be better than the current A7 line. Who wouldn't want that and at a lower cost than the A7 to boot!

What I'd like is a FF Rebel. Personally I'd be happy with a FF Canon SL1. Small, lightweight, great battery life, optical viewfinder, fast AF, responsive. I would want what I just described long before what I'm thinking is coming in the way of entry level FF.

Hopefully I will be proved wrong by the entry level FF, but I'm not counting on it.

ruggiex · 07-24-2014, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by 6BQ5

Sony is a sensor company who makes cameras in order to test the tech.

To me, for the most part, they are an electronic company who is interested in selling electronics. It is pretty apparent how fast they are pushing out revisions in the market that still have a lot of technological growth to go. It is working pretty well for them since there's that part of us always wanting better gadgets.

07-24-2014, 06:10 AM	#1
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Low cost entry level FF E-mount camera coming ? Quote: Last week I reported about the registration of a new Sony System Camera at the Indonesian agency Postel. The camera is registered with the code “WW024382” which usually defines a Full Frame camera. An anonymous source said that this is the cheap entry level FF E-mount camera. I am yet not sure about the rumor but like I told you before Sony indeed published a patent describing such a camera. And here is the official design: (SR2) Is the registered camera the new entry level FF E-mount? \| sonyalpharumors If it's an A6000 with full frame sensor it would be a winner IMHO. Last edited by jogiba; 07-24-2014 at 06:17 AM.

07-24-2014, 12:02 PM	#12
RyanW Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 583	Originally posted by rawr For it's DSLR's, Nikon uses sensors from Toshiba, Sony, Aptina. As far as I am aware, the D7100 is the only recent Nikon DSLR that actually used a Toshiba chip. D90 was Sony, D7000 was Sony, D800 was Sony, can't remember who did the D600. Nikon made the sensor in the D4(s) and DF ---------- Post added 07-24-14 at 13:15 ---------- One other thought, an entry level FF is not likely to be purchased by entry level APS-C folk. I mean we aren't' going to see a FF for $599 with kit lens. So really, it would be the APS-C higher end buyer that would be entertaining thoughts of FF. So... is that buyer willing to give up the perks of the higher end APS-C cameras for an entry level FF? Things like: dual cards dual wheels weather sealing robust build more capable AF higher FPS Micro-adjust (only applies to dslr/dslt) availability of a battery grip bigger, longer lasting batteries (doesn't seem applicable in the mirrorless world though) top display What are you willing to jettison to say you have a FF camera? Last edited by RyanW; 07-24-2014 at 01:28 PM.

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07-24-2014, 06:38 AM	#2
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	I wouldn't be surprised. Sony probably spent some serious coin developing this FF sensor. They need to sell this tech to anyone and everyone as much as possible to make up the costs. Sony is a sensor company who makes cameras in order to test the tech. Pentax, Canon, Nikon, etc are camera companies who are the intended customers of Sony's tech. If they see how well the Sony sensor works in a Sony body then they know how much better it work in their own bodies!

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VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	I wonder where that low cost price would fall and what the specs would be.

07-24-2014, 07:00 AM	#4
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by 6BQ5 I wouldn't be surprised. Sony probably spent some serious coin developing this FF sensor. They need to sell this tech to anyone and everyone as much as possible to make up the costs. Sony is a sensor company who makes cameras in order to test the tech. Ummm... Even if that ever really was the case, the recent explosion in quality Sony photographic products proves that they intend to be a serious provider of photographic products. Not just a mere Sensor provider. Eventually their sensor customers will turn into competitors in the photographic market. There already has been much speculation on what will happen by that time. Originally posted by 6BQ5 Pentax, Canon, Nikon, etc are camera companies who are the intended customers of Sony's tech. If they see how well the Sony sensor works in a Sony body then they know how much better it work in their own bodies! I've never been able to follow that logic. Common sense would dictate that Sony knows best how to use their own sensors. Even the sensor in the K-5 and the Nex 5n seemed to prove that for a fact. The Nex 5n produces noticably sharper images with better colours.

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JimmyDranox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ploiesti, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,632	Canon makes his own sensors. And Nikon use sensors from Toshiba, not only from Sony.

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Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	How much cheaper could they get? I mean, the A7 is nothing special apart from having a "full frame" sensor. Full-plastic construction? No viewfinder, or a cheaper one?

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ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	Originally posted by Clavius I've never been able to follow that logic. Common sense would dictate that Sony knows best how to use their own sensors. Even the sensor in the K-5 and the Nex 5n seemed to prove that for a fact. The Nex 5n produces noticably sharper images with better colours. What camera/lens combinations were used to verify this? .jpg or raw? Originally posted by Kunzite How much cheaper could they get? I mean, the A7 is nothing special apart from having a "full frame" sensor. Full-plastic construction? No viewfinder, or a cheaper one? Probably a smaller body with no EVF, and less controls, I'd say...

07-24-2014, 09:34 AM	#8
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by JimmyDranox And Nikon use sensors from Toshiba, not only from Sony. For it's DSLR's, Nikon uses sensors from Toshiba, Sony, Aptina. As far as I am aware, the D7100 is the only recent Nikon DSLR that actually used a Toshiba chip. D90 was Sony, D7000 was Sony, D800 was Sony, can't remember who did the D600.

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jcdoss Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Ingelheim am Rhein, Germany Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,757	Originally posted by jogiba If it's an A6000 with full frame sensor it would be a winner IMHO. That's what I'm waiting for. I really like having the EVF on the corner of the camera, and the form factor of the NEX-6 has grown on me.

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ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	Originally posted by rawr For it's DSLR's, Nikon uses sensors from Toshiba, Sony, Aptina. As far as I am aware, the D7100 is the only recent Nikon DSLR that actually used a Toshiba chip. D90 was Sony, D7000 was Sony, D800 was Sony, can't remember who did the D600. Don't the D3200, D3300, D5200 and D5300 also use the Toshiba sensor? My impression is that they do, since the ISO numbers are similar to the D7100.

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rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by ChristianRock Don't the D3200, D3300, D5200 and D5300 also use the Toshiba sensor? Probably, at least the 24MP APS-C ones. But I haven't made any effort to keep up with all the recent Nikon's.

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07-24-2014, 01:28 PM	#13
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491 Original Poster	Originally posted by RyanW Nikon made the sensor in the D4(s) and DF ---------- Post added 07-24-14 at 13:15 ---------- One other thought, an entry level FF is not likely to be purchased by entry level APS-C folk. I mean we arent' going to see a FF for $599 with kit lens. So really, it would be the APS-C higher end buyer that would be entertaining thoughts of FF. So... is that buyer willing to give up the perks of the higher end APS-C cameras for an entry level FF? Things like: dual cards dual wheels weather sealing robust build more capable AF higher FPS Micro-adjust (only applies to dslr/dslt) availability of a battery grip bigger, longer lasting batteries (doesn't seem applicable in the mirrorless world though) top display What are you willing to jettison to say you have a FF camera? You could keep spinning that APS-C feature stuff until the cows come home but I bet there would be many wanting an A6000 with full frame sensor.

07-24-2014, 05:28 PM	#14
RyanW Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 583	Originally posted by jogiba You could keep spinning that APS-C feature stuff until the cows come home but I bet there would be many wanting an A6000 with full frame sensor. Probably current A7 owners that want better AF I don't doubt it, but go read a little in the Nikon and Canon forums. Many don't like the D610 or 6D as they see them crippled compared to the higher end APS-C bodies. Sony is not going to release a budget FF that has better specs than the A99 or the A7(x). So the A6000 with a FF sensor would be better than the current A7 line. Who wouldn't want that and at a lower cost than the A7 to boot! What I'd like is a FF Rebel. Personally I'd be happy with a FF Canon SL1. Small, lightweight, great battery life, optical viewfinder, fast AF, responsive. I would want what I just described long before what I'm thinking is coming in the way of entry level FF. Hopefully I will be proved wrong by the entry level FF, but I'm not counting on it.

07-24-2014, 06:09 PM	#15
ruggiex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: East Bay Area Photos: Gallery Posts: 811	Originally posted by 6BQ5 Sony is a sensor company who makes cameras in order to test the tech. To me, for the most part, they are an electronic company who is interested in selling electronics. It is pretty apparent how fast they are pushing out revisions in the market that still have a lot of technological growth to go. It is working pretty well for them since there's that part of us always wanting better gadgets.