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09-24-2014, 11:16 PM   #46
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QuoteOriginally posted by Christine Tham Quote
Perhaps we may see something from Canon Real Soon Now
Yes, a single post in FM Forums has sent the Canon rumor mill into a self-referential frenzy. The claim is that a Canon will announce a 46 MP pro body in NY next month.
Which has a sense of credibility to it or at least wish fulfillment.
Stay tuned.

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09-25-2014, 12:38 AM   #47
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QuoteOriginally posted by Christine Tham Quote
Perhaps we may see something from Canon Real Soon Now:
Photokina 2014: Canon interview - Mirrorless 'in the very near future': Digital Photography Review

If this quote is true, this could be very exciting:
Thanks Christine, fun to read it.

Cool interview with Canon CEO, he talks about the 5000 people they interviewed to see what they should put in the 7D Mk II. Can't recall seeing that kind of statement from any other camera maker. Plus the enthusiasm they have for their dual pixel technology and mirrorless is fun to hear.
09-25-2014, 01:24 AM   #48
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QuoteOriginally posted by pinholecam Quote
(...)

I used to say that the A7 was a system w/o the lenses.
But I think after this photokina, it has enough lenses for 80-90% of what most generalist shooters do.
UWA - 16-35/4
wide - FE35/2.8
normal - FE55/1.8
Tele zoom - 70-200/4;
All round zooms - 28-75; 24-70/4

What's lacking are fast short teles and perhaps macro lenses, both of which are easily adapted and no issues used manually.
The camera is not well designed for long lens work, so specialist have to choose something else (namely the DSLRs)


(...)
This gap is about to be closed: Sony FE 90mm f/2.8 Macro G OSS has been announced at Photokina and shipping should start in March 2015.

Other lenses announced at the same time are:

- (Sony) Zeiss Distagon T* FE 35mm f/1.4 ZA
- Sony FE 28mm f/2, together with fisheye (16mm) and wide-angle (21mm) converters
- Sony FE 24-240mm f/3.5-6.3 OSS
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Mmm I don't care much about lenses for mirrorless on the space PoV, gaining about 2-3 cm is, IMO, a detail (but if we can why not).
What is more interesting is, those lenses, by definition, are optimized for quick contrast AF.

Will Pentax/Ricoh be smart enough to get their rumoured new lenses (supposedly FF) rightly done, right from the start (including quick silent AF AND contrast optimized) ?

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What is the world coming to?

Apple releasing large phones ...

Sony making more lenses than cameras ...

And now Canon is releasing a MIRRORLESS HIGH MEGAPIXEL camera???

The world is DOOMED.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Christine Tham Quote
What is the world coming to?

Apple releasing large phones ...

Sony making more lenses than cameras ...

And now Canon is releasing a MIRRORLESS HIGH MEGAPIXEL camera???

The world is DOOMED.
Ah....you forgot, Nikon came out with a new FF. At the current rate of FF designs, they soon will have one for each lens

What's your guess on Canon, its probably a medium format, is it not.= With that many MP. But they haven't announced any new lenses for a medium format....hmmm. i think they should at least have one

I think it would be a good move for them to make the mirrorless on a medium format. It might save on costs enabling them to compete better.

Well, there is enough going on to keep us entertained for a another year. But then we will be doomed. Nothing but smart phones - everywhere.
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What's your guess on Canon, its probably a medium format, is it not.= With that many MP.
Just because their new sensor may be a large number, doesn't mean it is medium format. Maybe they've developed the technology to squeeze that much into the 24x36mm space?

Canon has no prior presence in the medium format market, no prior lenses or other manufacturing, no following in that space. Even though the margins may be high, the volume is so low that I fail to see a compelling rationale for Canon to compete directly with the existing players--especially considering the R&D and manufacturing rampup costs.

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Nothing but smart phones - everywhere.
That's the most truthful thing I've read anywhere today

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QuoteOriginally posted by Miguel Quote
Just because their new sensor may be a large number, doesn't mean it is medium format. Maybe they've developed the technology to squeeze that much into the 24x36mm space?

Canon has no prior presence in the medium format market, no prior lenses or other manufacturing, no following in that space. Even though the margins may be high, the volume is so low that I fail to see a compelling rationale for Canon to compete directly with the existing players--especially considering the R&D and manufacturing rampup costs.



That's the most truthful thing I've read anywhere today

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Thanks.

I think one could make a compelling case for Canon and medium format. (not sure it would hold water - however :-)) The proposed compelling case would be: FF is getting a bit crowded with Pentax, maybe Fuji, maybe Samsung. The only other competitors in med.format are relatively small companies. If they get into med. format before Nikon, that might be considered a good advantage against their chief rival.
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Nikon is also thinking of a "large sensor mirrorless"
Photokina 2014: Nikon interview - 'large-sensor mirrorless could be a solution': Digital Photography Review

By the way, I feel really sad when I read the interview. The guy just doesn't "get" it - his customers are telling him 4K is important but he thinks it's "too much". He actually thinks the D750 is "lightweight" - bwahaha ...

I really feel like shaking him and saying "Your company has just suffered through a huge decline in sales and operating profit and your share price has tumbled - you really need to let go of your prejudices and start thinking where your next customer base is and what they want. The core Nikon customer base is declining - this is fact, based on your own financial results."

Another thing I noticed at a trade show a fortnight ago - Nikon was giving lots of prominence to their full frame camera lineup, but the V3 was locked away in a glass cabinet. And they are wondering why it doesn't sell.
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QuoteOriginally posted by PJ1 Quote
The Ricoh/Pentax strategy is to market high profit margin bodies. Pentax users stay with the brand because they can get value from their existing lenses without too much additional outlay on lenses. A new APS-C/FF mount would not make sense as a market strategy (but that never stopped anyone either!)
That's funny, because that is exactly what Sony did. they introduced a new APS-C-FF mount call the E/FE mount. They are selling more A7 bodies than A99 bodies. Call Sony and let them know that it was a bad market strategy.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Christine Tham Quote
Nikon is also thinking of a "large sensor mirrorless"
Photokina 2014: Nikon interview - 'large-sensor mirrorless could be a solution': Digital Photography Review

By the way, I feel really sad when I read the interview. The guy just doesn't "get" it - his customers are telling him 4K is important but he thinks it's "too much". He actually thinks the D750 is "lightweight" - bwahaha ...

I really feel like shaking him and saying "Your company has just suffered through a huge decline in sales and operating profit and your share price has tumbled - you really need to let go of your prejudices and start thinking where your next customer base is and what they want. The core Nikon customer base is declining - this is fact, based on your own financial results."

Another thing I noticed at a trade show a fortnight ago - Nikon was giving lots of prominence to their full frame camera lineup, but the V3 was locked away in a glass cabinet. And they are wondering why it doesn't sell.
Interesting observations Christine. Reading the summary below the Nikon interview and it says sort of:
"if there is enough demand for an mirrorless, than we may look at it more closely" I'm not quoting exactly but its one of the wimpiest statements and not nearly as positive as the title would make one believe. Watching Nikon recently is like watching a drunk driver headed down the road, you get a bad feeling but there isn't anything you can do to stop the wreck.

Watching the Canon intervew was a much more positive experience, the guy seem genuinely enthusiastic about how Canon had collected the information on the 7d MkII and what they were planning on doing in the future with mirrorless.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Christine Tham Quote
What is the world coming to?

Apple releasing large phones ...

Sony making more lenses than cameras ...

And now Canon is releasing a MIRRORLESS HIGH MEGAPIXEL camera???

The world is DOOMED.
No it's Super DoomedŽ!
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Thanks Christine.
I'm not surprised Canon and Nikon tries to protect their market but I'm not sure the time now is trying to protect their actual market or trying not to lose a huge a chunk of another.
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That's funny, because that is exactly what Sony did. they introduced a new APS-C-FF mount call the E/FE mount. They are selling more A7 bodies than A99 bodies. Call Sony and let them know that it was a bad market strategy.
I didn't think Sony had the same depth in legacy lenses that Pentax has. But maybe I look at it differently.
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How many of the things "considered" by big companies actually come to pass?

To consider things is a way to give hope to those who look for it without commiting to something that may fail. It means nothing.
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