The best and worse thing about going fullframe...

Ben78 · 10-26-2014, 02:30 AM

Discovered another 'Worse thing'

The comments!
"Wow that lens is huge"
"You have a nice camera"
"Are you a professional photographer"

I've just been a bit dismissive but I think its gonna get quite annoying.

OTOH this 70-200 f2.8 L is stunningly good!

pinholecam · 10-26-2014, 02:32 AM - **2 Likes**

Best thing : Shallow DOF
Worst thing : Shallow DOF

normhead · 10-26-2014, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by Ben78

Discovered another 'Worse thing'

The comments!
"Wow that lens is huge"
"You have a nice camera"
"Are you a professional photographer"

I've just been a bit dismissive but I think its gonna get quite annoying.

OTOH this 70-200 f2.8 L is stunningly good!

You mean this one?

Youtu.be

Ya, as good as the Nikon, barely better than the Tamron?

dane.dawg · 10-27-2014, 04:33 PM

I just got the Tamron DI/VC bnib for 950.00 CAD and it is a great lens.

jsherman999 · 10-27-2014, 05:31 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by normhead

Sometimes I forget I'm talking to amateurs. I said the kids face was fat. I'm used to talking to people who would interpret that as I meant it, the photograph was really bad, and the photographer had made the kids face look fat being too close with too wide an angle lens. I was not commenting on the kid. But hey, you throw a picture out there to show how great a format is, please make it a decent picture. Help me stay out of trouble.

Norm, it was my kid IIRC. You were furious at me for making something you said look silly, and you lashed out in about the worst possible way, veiling it as a "I'm just making a suggestion about photography". Which fooled no-one. It was really low-class, but what really makes it worse is that you (IIRC) have never apologized. Anyone can have a bad moment, but...

I think you spend a lot of time in the non-pentax and FF forums just making yourself really mad. We've suggested you maybe re-think that, and you take it as a "get out of here" directive and double down on the thick-headedness. Don't know if there's a fix for that. I guess if you enjoy it, for some masochistic reason, you're entitled to continue.

Quote:

If you'll recall, when I explained my comment, the deleted post was reintroduced to the thread. The other comment is, people do this all the time. They tell you how great their camera is, and they post a really bad picture of a family member. In the silence that ensues they assume that they've proved their point.

Ever notice the silence that accompanies most of your over-PP'd landscape shots?

.

normhead · 10-27-2014, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by jsherman999

Norm, it was my kid IIRC. You were furious at me for making something you said look silly, and you lashed out in about the worst possible way, veiling it as a "I'm just making a suggestion about photography". Which fooled no-one. It was really low-class, but what really makes it worse is that you (IIRC) have never apologized. Anyone can have a bad moment, but...

I think you spend a lot of time in the non-pentax and FF forums just making yourself really mad. We've suggested you maybe re-think that, and you take it as a "get out of here" directive and double down on the thick-headedness. Don't know if there's a fix for that. I guess if you enjoy it, for some masochistic reason, you're entitled to continue.

Ever notice the silence that accompanies most of your over-PP'd landscape shots?

.

That is totally classless, and totally predictable... is there someone who actually learns anything from you? Some reason you should even be here?

You're getting to be such a discredited figure here, I have trouble even taking you seriously. The above is pretty funny, in a pathetic kind of way.

jsherman999 · 10-27-2014, 06:54 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

That is totally classless, and totally predictable... is there someone who actually learns anything from you? Some reason you should even be here?

You mean posting in the non-Pentax sub forum? Don't know, I actively shoot non-Pentax equipment as well as Pentax, does that qualify me?

How about you? Why are you in here? Looks like it's to take shots... but not the photography kind.

Quote:

You're getting to be such a discredited figure here, I have trouble even taking you seriously. The above is pretty funny, in a pathetic kind of way.

(^^ see my comment about 'making yourself really mad'.)

Also, re-read what you posted. You have a tendency to take personal shots at someone and then faint when someone shoots back at you.

.

osv · 10-27-2014, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by jsherman999

Ever notice the silence that accompanies most of your over-PP'd landscape shots?

does that reflect a reticence to engage in dialog with him, or is it due to the quality of the photo?

because telling him why his pics suck is something that i might enjoy

Ben78 · 10-27-2014, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by normhead

You mean this one?

Ya, as good as the Nikon, barely better than the Tamron?

No, I chose the older Non-IS version due to reviews placing it ahead of the rest as far as image quality is concerned. I had considered the Tamron however I see reports of 'bad copies' and frankly for the amount of money they are there should be no 'bad copies'. I didn't see any such reports on the Canon version and I bought a 'like new' for $1000usd. It literally is in as new condition, I cannot see a single fault or mark on it anywhere.

rawr · 10-28-2014, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by Ben78

I didn't see any such reports on the Canon version and I bought a 'like new' for $1000usd. It literally is in as new condition, I cannot see a single fault or mark on it anywhere.

I like those kind of buys.

I'm very grateful that there are folks out there who buy expensive photo gear, but never seem to use it out in the field, before selling it and moving on to something else that got a better review on YouTube.

**Rondec** · 10-28-2014, 03:26 AM

Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm sure you'll get used to the larger size of lenses over time.

jsherman999 · 10-28-2014, 07:57 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Ben78

Bang on Rawr
50/1.8, 35/2, 100/2, 24-105/4IS 70-200/2.8
Patiently waiting on a 20/2.8 to become available at a decent price.

How about a 300 f/4, or Sigma 100-300 f4 HSM at some point? The 100-300 is maybe a bit too much overlap with the 70-200, but if you can find one at a nice price it's fantastic optically and has fast AF.

Also, I'd suggest pursuing that Canon 20 2.8, one of my favorite lenses on Nikon FF is the little 20 f/2.8D. Rokinon 14 f/2.8 is another nice WA option (I'm told) if you don't mind MF.

cali92rs · 10-28-2014, 09:39 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jsherman999

How about a 300 f/4, or Sigma 100-300 f4 HSM at some point? The 100-300 is maybe a bit too much overlap with the 70-200, but if you can find one at a nice price it's fantastic optically and has fast AF.

Also, I'd suggest pursuing that Canon 20 2.8, one of my favorite lenses on Nikon FF is the little 20 f/2.8D. Rokinon 14 f/2.8 is another nice WA option (I'm told) if you don't mind MF.

I personally would get the 1.4X TC and pocket the cash or use the difference and get a wide prime.
From what I hear, the 70-200mm works fabulously with the 1.4TC, with negligible loss of IQ.

normhead · 10-28-2014, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by cali92rs

I personally would get the 1.4X TC and pocket the cash or use the difference and get a wide prime.
From what I hear, the 70-200mm works fabulously with the 1.4TC, with negligible loss of IQ.

A couple of my wildlife/birding buddies use that combo and just love it. I've seen some amazing images taken with it. Oh wait, they both use the 2x TC. They get what I get with my A-400, ƒ5.6 with very functional auto-focus.

LFLee · 10-28-2014, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Ben78

Attachment 241240

Both the best thing and the worse thing is having to buy new lenses! I've loved doing the research and then hunting them down, loved getting the mail packages and trying the new lens out and learning how they work and what images they produce. Worse thing - wallet damage! I've spent $4k on the jump, pretty happy though, the image quality is brilliant, all are prime like even the zooms. The primes are sharp wide open and the 100mm f2.0 is a thing of beauty! The 70-200 f2.8 L is a behemoth but the image quality is out of this world!

Anyone see any gaps?

Photo taken using K5 FA50/1.4 @5.6. Youngnuo YN560II flash on stand with shoot through 32" umbrella triggered with Cactus V5

Pretty good kit for 4k I would say... can you break the price down?

you have a huge gap.... the PENTAX 645Z will fill that up.

10-27-2014, 06:27 PM	#51
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by jsherman999 Norm, it was my kid IIRC. You were furious at me for making something you said look silly, and you lashed out in about the worst possible way, veiling it as a "I'm just making a suggestion about photography". Which fooled no-one. It was really low-class, but what really makes it worse is that you (IIRC) have never apologized. Anyone can have a bad moment, but... I think you spend a lot of time in the non-pentax and FF forums just making yourself really mad. We've suggested you maybe re-think that, and you take it as a "get out of here" directive and double down on the thick-headedness. Don't know if there's a fix for that. I guess if you enjoy it, for some masochistic reason, you're entitled to continue. Ever notice the silence that accompanies most of your over-PP'd landscape shots? . That is totally classless, and totally predictable... is there someone who actually learns anything from you? Some reason you should even be here? You're getting to be such a discredited figure here, I have trouble even taking you seriously. The above is pretty funny, in a pathetic kind of way. Last edited by normhead; 10-27-2014 at 06:32 PM.

10-28-2014, 10:04 AM	#59
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by cali92rs I personally would get the 1.4X TC and pocket the cash or use the difference and get a wide prime. From what I hear, the 70-200mm works fabulously with the 1.4TC, with negligible loss of IQ. A couple of my wildlife/birding buddies use that combo and just love it. I've seen some amazing images taken with it. Oh wait, they both use the 2x TC. They get what I get with my A-400, ƒ5.6 with very functional auto-focus. Last edited by normhead; 10-28-2014 at 10:10 AM.

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10-26-2014, 02:30 AM	#46
Ben78 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tamworth, NSW Posts: 158 Original Poster	Discovered another 'Worse thing' The comments! "Wow that lens is huge" "You have a nice camera" "Are you a professional photographer" I've just been a bit dismissive but I think its gonna get quite annoying. OTOH this 70-200 f2.8 L is stunningly good!

10-26-2014, 02:32 AM - 2 Likes	#47
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Best thing : Shallow DOF Worst thing : Shallow DOF

10-27-2014, 04:33 PM	#49
dane.dawg Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,436	I just got the Tamron DI/VC bnib for 950.00 CAD and it is a great lens.

10-27-2014, 05:31 PM - 3 Likes	#50
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by normhead Sometimes I forget I'm talking to amateurs. I said the kids face was fat. I'm used to talking to people who would interpret that as I meant it, the photograph was really bad, and the photographer had made the kids face look fat being too close with too wide an angle lens. I was not commenting on the kid. But hey, you throw a picture out there to show how great a format is, please make it a decent picture. Help me stay out of trouble. Norm, it was my kid IIRC. You were furious at me for making something you said look silly, and you lashed out in about the worst possible way, veiling it as a "I'm just making a suggestion about photography". Which fooled no-one. It was really low-class, but what really makes it worse is that you (IIRC) have never apologized. Anyone can have a bad moment, but... I think you spend a lot of time in the non-pentax and FF forums just making yourself really mad. We've suggested you maybe re-think that, and you take it as a "get out of here" directive and double down on the thick-headedness. Don't know if there's a fix for that. I guess if you enjoy it, for some masochistic reason, you're entitled to continue. Quote: If you'll recall, when I explained my comment, the deleted post was reintroduced to the thread. The other comment is, people do this all the time. They tell you how great their camera is, and they post a really bad picture of a family member. In the silence that ensues they assume that they've proved their point. Ever notice the silence that accompanies most of your over-PP'd landscape shots? .

10-27-2014, 06:54 PM - 1 Like	#52
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by normhead That is totally classless, and totally predictable... is there someone who actually learns anything from you? Some reason you should even be here? You mean posting in the non-Pentax sub forum? Don't know, I actively shoot non-Pentax equipment as well as Pentax, does that qualify me? How about you? Why are you in here? Looks like it's to take shots... but not the photography kind. Quote: You're getting to be such a discredited figure here, I have trouble even taking you seriously. The above is pretty funny, in a pathetic kind of way. (^^ see my comment about 'making yourself really mad'.) Also, re-read what you posted. You have a tendency to take personal shots at someone and then faint when someone shoots back at you. .

10-27-2014, 09:50 PM	#53
osv Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So Cal Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by jsherman999 Ever notice the silence that accompanies most of your over-PP'd landscape shots? does that reflect a reticence to engage in dialog with him, or is it due to the quality of the photo? because telling him why his pics suck is something that i might enjoy

10-27-2014, 11:07 PM	#54
Ben78 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tamworth, NSW Posts: 158 Original Poster	Originally posted by normhead You mean this one? Ya, as good as the Nikon, barely better than the Tamron? No, I chose the older Non-IS version due to reviews placing it ahead of the rest as far as image quality is concerned. I had considered the Tamron however I see reports of 'bad copies' and frankly for the amount of money they are there should be no 'bad copies'. I didn't see any such reports on the Canon version and I bought a 'like new' for $1000usd. It literally is in as new condition, I cannot see a single fault or mark on it anywhere.

10-28-2014, 03:12 AM	#55
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Ben78 I didn't see any such reports on the Canon version and I bought a 'like new' for $1000usd. It literally is in as new condition, I cannot see a single fault or mark on it anywhere. I like those kind of buys. I'm very grateful that there are folks out there who buy expensive photo gear, but never seem to use it out in the field, before selling it and moving on to something else that got a better review on YouTube.

10-28-2014, 03:26 AM	#56
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm sure you'll get used to the larger size of lenses over time.

10-28-2014, 07:57 AM - 1 Like	#57
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by Ben78 Bang on Rawr 50/1.8, 35/2, 100/2, 24-105/4IS 70-200/2.8 Patiently waiting on a 20/2.8 to become available at a decent price. How about a 300 f/4, or Sigma 100-300 f4 HSM at some point? The 100-300 is maybe a bit too much overlap with the 70-200, but if you can find one at a nice price it's fantastic optically and has fast AF. Also, I'd suggest pursuing that Canon 20 2.8, one of my favorite lenses on Nikon FF is the little 20 f/2.8D. Rokinon 14 f/2.8 is another nice WA option (I'm told) if you don't mind MF.

10-28-2014, 09:39 AM - 1 Like	#58
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by jsherman999 How about a 300 f/4, or Sigma 100-300 f4 HSM at some point? The 100-300 is maybe a bit too much overlap with the 70-200, but if you can find one at a nice price it's fantastic optically and has fast AF. Also, I'd suggest pursuing that Canon 20 2.8, one of my favorite lenses on Nikon FF is the little 20 f/2.8D. Rokinon 14 f/2.8 is another nice WA option (I'm told) if you don't mind MF. I personally would get the 1.4X TC and pocket the cash or use the difference and get a wide prime. From what I hear, the 70-200mm works fabulously with the 1.4TC, with negligible loss of IQ.

10-28-2014, 10:18 AM	#60
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	Originally posted by Ben78 Attachment 241240 Both the best thing and the worse thing is having to buy new lenses! I've loved doing the research and then hunting them down, loved getting the mail packages and trying the new lens out and learning how they work and what images they produce. Worse thing - wallet damage! I've spent $4k on the jump, pretty happy though, the image quality is brilliant, all are prime like even the zooms. The primes are sharp wide open and the 100mm f2.0 is a thing of beauty! The 70-200 f2.8 L is a behemoth but the image quality is out of this world! Anyone see any gaps? Photo taken using K5 FA50/1.4 @5.6. Youngnuo YN560II flash on stand with shoot through 32" umbrella triggered with Cactus V5 Pretty good kit for 4k I would say... can you break the price down? you have a huge gap.... the PENTAX 645Z will fill that up.