New Sony A7II and A9 with IBIS

**luftfluss** · 11-20-2014, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Sony showing the A7II IBIS in more detail.

?7 ? 5-axis SteadyShot INSIDE from Sony: Official Video Release - YouTube

Excellent! Hopefully someday soon IBIS will be a feature included in every camera body.

Clavius · 11-20-2014, 12:54 AM

About SR induced blur... In my first K-5 it seemed to cause a lot of IQ degradation, even when holding it handheld but very steady. So that tought me (falsely) that SR does more damage then good. Falsely, because my second K-5 didn't suffer from it at all. Revealing that there was something wrong or that there was some sort of copy variation with my first K-5.

rawr · 11-20-2014, 01:26 AM - **3 Likes**

Sony seem to have been doing a lot of copying from Pentax recently, from their IBIS tech, even down to the models they use in their ads LOL . Pictures below related:

uncanny resemblance 1:

uncanny resemblance 2:

I hope Ricoh are getting license and royalty payments from all this.

VisualDarkness · 11-20-2014, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by LFLee

Î±7â…¡ from Sony: Official Video Release - YouTube

That is is one epic looking and sounding video.

elpolodiablo · 11-20-2014, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by Christine Tham

You should have told me you wanted one. Sony offered one to me for a great price (I am not allowed to reveal it but let's say it's a very substantial discount) but I declined because I am waiting for the A9. Unfortunately that offer is no longer available.

No worries, Chris. In the end I might just pick up a regular A7 for peanuts to mount my Pentax lenses when people start dumping them to buy new FE bodies

Silent mode and crazy high ISO capacity in A7s are nice to have, but is it worth about twice as much? I am not sure.

Clavius · 11-20-2014, 02:29 AM

A lot of doom and gloom for Pentax in the reactions here in this thread. But I think Pentax is more then merely SR. They've never been the only ones with SR, and that was never an issue for them before.

Nevertheless... I hope this will bring the price down on the A7s. Or maybe it will give some nice used A7s options. I jumped right on the A7r, not realising an A7s was on the horizon.

Na Horuk · 11-20-2014, 02:44 AM - **1 Like**

I just hope Ricoh sees this as a challenge to overcome, rather than an obstacle to shy away from.

Clavius · 11-20-2014, 02:52 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Na Horuk

I just hope Ricoh sees this as a challenge to overcome, rather than an obstacle to shy away from.

Or analyse what to do next... forever.

In Holland we have a saying: If you remain exactly the same long enough, you'll be unique eventually.

Winder · 11-20-2014, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by rawr

I think all stabilisation systems acknowledge the risk of 'self-induced blur' or other IQ damaging stuff being introduced when the camera body (or lens) is tripod mounted. Nikon, for example, in the manual for the 70-200 with VR, says to turn off VR when using it tripod mounted.

But most companies automatically turn IBIS off when you set the camera to timer or are using a remote. The risk is extremely low. The reason image stabilization is used at all is that the IQ advantages great exceed the risk.

6BQ5 · 11-20-2014, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Sony seem to have been doing a lot of copying from Pentax recently, from their IBIS tech, even down to the models they use in their ads LOL . Pictures below related:

uncanny resemblance 1:

uncanny resemblance 2:

I hope Ricoh are getting license and royalty payments from all this.

Ricoh could very well be getting some payments for this. At the very least they could be involved in some sort of private technical knowledge sharing with Sony.

Perhaps they are getting access to FF sensors one year after release instead of payments? Just a thought.

Doundounba · 11-20-2014, 08:25 AM

My guess/hope is that CP+ will bring a Pentax/Ricoh version of more or less this - a mirrorless full frame with IBIS and a new shorter registration mount along with adapters (motorized or not) for Pentax K-mount lenses. Questions would be 1) will that new mount be completely new, or will there be a deal with someone (ahem) to create an alliance simillar to m4/3? 2) What lenses would they release at the same time?

That would be a huge announcement, but I think if Ricoh are serious about competing in photography, they need to get a move on...

jcdoss · 11-20-2014, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by 6BQ5

Ricoh could very well be getting some payments for this. At the very least they could be involved in some sort of private technical knowledge sharing with Sony.

If this were true, then this forum would have to re-instate Jogiba.

Christine Tham · 11-20-2014, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by jcdoss

If this were true, then this forum would have to re-instate Jogiba.

What happened? Did I miss something? I had been wondering why he is silent all of a sudden. He was becoming my primary source of camera news

ChristianRock · 11-20-2014, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Christine Tham

What happened? Did I miss something? I had been wondering why he is silent all of a sudden. He was becoming my primary source of camera news

I'm sure you can still find him in the Sony forums, and that will be fitting since all his news are always Sony related...

I liked the guy, I wish he behaved in a more polite and respectful way and he would still be here.

mecrox · 11-20-2014, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Doundounba

My guess/hope is that CP+ will bring a Pentax/Ricoh version of more or less this - a mirrorless full frame with IBIS and a new shorter registration mount along with adapters (motorized or not) for Pentax K-mount lenses. Questions would be 1) will that new mount be completely new, or will there be a deal with someone (ahem) to create an alliance simillar to m4/3? 2) What lenses would they release at the same time?

That would be a huge announcement, but I think if Ricoh are serious about competing in photography, they need to get a move on...

That would be my preference too, although I've read that Sony have overdone the short registration distance and overall diameter of the mount with the result that wide-angles are very tricky on it. A trap to be avoided or simply not true? I don't really mind which company produces an FF IBIS MILC (dread terms! Why not just call her Betty) but would prefer a Canon, Nikon, Fuji,, Olympus or Pentax system over a Sony one tbh. I like to feel I am buying into a system I can stay with, at least for a good while. Nothing wrong with Sony I hasten to add but if there was a choice it would not be my #1. I know that for a lot of folks it would be their #1. Anyway, I'm glad that Sony are showing willing and really mixing it with the established players. Good for them.

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11-20-2014, 12:04 AM	#46
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,626	Originally posted by rawr Sony showing the A7II IBIS in more detail. ?7 ? 5-axis SteadyShot INSIDE from Sony: Official Video Release - YouTube Excellent! Hopefully someday soon IBIS will be a feature included in every camera body.

11-20-2014, 12:54 AM	#47
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150 Original Poster	About SR induced blur... In my first K-5 it seemed to cause a lot of IQ degradation, even when holding it handheld but very steady. So that tought me (falsely) that SR does more damage then good. Falsely, because my second K-5 didn't suffer from it at all. Revealing that there was something wrong or that there was some sort of copy variation with my first K-5.

11-20-2014, 01:26 AM - 3 Likes	#48
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Sony seem to have been doing a lot of copying from Pentax recently, from their IBIS tech, even down to the models they use in their ads LOL . Pictures below related: uncanny resemblance 1: uncanny resemblance 2: I hope Ricoh are getting license and royalty payments from all this.

11-20-2014, 02:06 AM	#49
VisualDarkness Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,439	Originally posted by LFLee Î±7â…¡ from Sony: Official Video Release - YouTube That is is one epic looking and sounding video.

11-20-2014, 02:29 AM	#50
elpolodiablo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,637	Originally posted by Christine Tham You should have told me you wanted one. Sony offered one to me for a great price (I am not allowed to reveal it but let's say it's a very substantial discount) but I declined because I am waiting for the A9. Unfortunately that offer is no longer available. No worries, Chris. In the end I might just pick up a regular A7 for peanuts to mount my Pentax lenses when people start dumping them to buy new FE bodies Silent mode and crazy high ISO capacity in A7s are nice to have, but is it worth about twice as much? I am not sure.

11-20-2014, 02:29 AM	#51
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150 Original Poster	A lot of doom and gloom for Pentax in the reactions here in this thread. But I think Pentax is more then merely SR. They've never been the only ones with SR, and that was never an issue for them before. Nevertheless... I hope this will bring the price down on the A7s. Or maybe it will give some nice used A7s options. I jumped right on the A7r, not realising an A7s was on the horizon.

11-20-2014, 02:44 AM - 1 Like	#52
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	I just hope Ricoh sees this as a challenge to overcome, rather than an obstacle to shy away from.

11-20-2014, 02:52 AM - 1 Like	#53
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150 Original Poster	Originally posted by Na Horuk I just hope Ricoh sees this as a challenge to overcome, rather than an obstacle to shy away from. Or analyse what to do next... forever. In Holland we have a saying: If you remain exactly the same long enough, you'll be unique eventually.

11-20-2014, 07:12 AM	#54
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by rawr I think all stabilisation systems acknowledge the risk of 'self-induced blur' or other IQ damaging stuff being introduced when the camera body (or lens) is tripod mounted. Nikon, for example, in the manual for the 70-200 with VR, says to turn off VR when using it tripod mounted. But most companies automatically turn IBIS off when you set the camera to timer or are using a remote. The risk is extremely low. The reason image stabilization is used at all is that the IQ advantages great exceed the risk.

11-20-2014, 08:24 AM	#55
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	Originally posted by rawr Sony seem to have been doing a lot of copying from Pentax recently, from their IBIS tech, even down to the models they use in their ads LOL . Pictures below related: uncanny resemblance 1: uncanny resemblance 2: I hope Ricoh are getting license and royalty payments from all this. Ricoh could very well be getting some payments for this. At the very least they could be involved in some sort of private technical knowledge sharing with Sony. Perhaps they are getting access to FF sensors one year after release instead of payments? Just a thought.

11-20-2014, 08:25 AM	#56
Doundounba Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Montréal QC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,351	My guess/hope is that CP+ will bring a Pentax/Ricoh version of more or less this - a mirrorless full frame with IBIS and a new shorter registration mount along with adapters (motorized or not) for Pentax K-mount lenses. Questions would be 1) will that new mount be completely new, or will there be a deal with someone (ahem) to create an alliance simillar to m4/3? 2) What lenses would they release at the same time? That would be a huge announcement, but I think if Ricoh are serious about competing in photography, they need to get a move on...

11-20-2014, 09:57 AM	#57
jcdoss Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Ingelheim am Rhein, Germany Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,794	Originally posted by 6BQ5 Ricoh could very well be getting some payments for this. At the very least they could be involved in some sort of private technical knowledge sharing with Sony. If this were true, then this forum would have to re-instate Jogiba.

11-20-2014, 12:17 PM	#58
Christine Tham Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,269	Originally posted by jcdoss If this were true, then this forum would have to re-instate Jogiba. What happened? Did I miss something? I had been wondering why he is silent all of a sudden. He was becoming my primary source of camera news

11-20-2014, 12:34 PM	#59
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	Originally posted by Christine Tham What happened? Did I miss something? I had been wondering why he is silent all of a sudden. He was becoming my primary source of camera news I'm sure you can still find him in the Sony forums, and that will be fitting since all his news are always Sony related... I liked the guy, I wish he behaved in a more polite and respectful way and he would still be here.

11-20-2014, 01:01 PM	#60
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	Originally posted by Doundounba My guess/hope is that CP+ will bring a Pentax/Ricoh version of more or less this - a mirrorless full frame with IBIS and a new shorter registration mount along with adapters (motorized or not) for Pentax K-mount lenses. Questions would be 1) will that new mount be completely new, or will there be a deal with someone (ahem) to create an alliance simillar to m4/3? 2) What lenses would they release at the same time? That would be a huge announcement, but I think if Ricoh are serious about competing in photography, they need to get a move on... That would be my preference too, although I've read that Sony have overdone the short registration distance and overall diameter of the mount with the result that wide-angles are very tricky on it. A trap to be avoided or simply not true? I don't really mind which company produces an FF IBIS MILC (dread terms! Why not just call her Betty) but would prefer a Canon, Nikon, Fuji,, Olympus or Pentax system over a Sony one tbh. I like to feel I am buying into a system I can stay with, at least for a good while. Nothing wrong with Sony I hasten to add but if there was a choice it would not be my #1. I know that for a lot of folks it would be their #1. Anyway, I'm glad that Sony are showing willing and really mixing it with the established players. Good for them.