Pentax RIP

Clavius · 11-20-2014, 08:15 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ChristianRock

Yeah but 8 years ago you could have said, "Canon offers a full frame digital camera. Pentax doesn't. RIP."

Then 6 years ago you could have said "Nikon and Canon offer a full frame digital camera. Pentax doesn't. RIP".

Then some 4 years ago you could have said "Sony, Nikon and Canon offer a full frame digital camera. Pentax doesn't. RIP".

Now just because Sony put IBIS in their full frame mirrorless camera (that Pentax already doesn't compete with, and might never try to), all of a sudden, the situation got horribly worse? And you don't see why the thread doesn't make sense at all?

So, Pentax should just rely on its userbase waiting forever. Nice businessmodel...

normhead · 11-20-2014, 08:16 AM

What the viewpoint that's not being explored is, how many people are going to give up on Sony now, and buy a Pentax because hey don't like the direction Sony is going.The counter argument to "this is going to cost Pentax" is, "this is going to cost Sony". The assumption that this isn't going to be a Pentax win.. is just that, an assumption. Without some kind of hard stats on people migrating between platforms, I think it would be ignorant to even hazard a guess as to how various manufacturers are doing in competition with each other, or what the effect of a new product might be.

**crewl1** · 11-20-2014, 08:29 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Clavius

So, Pentax should just rely on its userbase waiting forever. Nice businessmodel...

This is a joke right? Too much negativity.
We get new members to this forum on a daily basis, I'm sure they are a small percentage of new Pentax users overall.
Just check how many times we have to explain why their new camera makes a clunk sound

bsamcash · 11-20-2014, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by normhead

What the viewpoint that's not being explored is, how many people are going to give up on Sony now, and buy a Pentax because hey don't like the direction Sony is going.

I believe this is Sony's biggest fault as a business. They seem to have no direction. They create then abandon formats far too often for me to ever trust them.

Pentax has stayed true to the K mount for decades.

Clavius · 11-20-2014, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by bsamcash

I believe this is Sony's biggest fault as a business. They seem to have no direction. They create then abandon formats far too often for me to ever trust them.

Pentax has stayed true to the K mount for decades.

How many formats did Sony abandon? They seem to be very serious about their mirrorless mount. Mind you, Pentax has made some funky direction-switches in the past too. Sans mount changes then.

AquaDome · 11-20-2014, 09:02 AM

I thought Pentax was doomed because video wasn't good enough.
Is the video on the A7ii good enough for the video kids?
If I was looking for a video camera, I would consider a Sony, but probably not this Sony.

Kunzite · 11-20-2014, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by crewl1

This is a joke right? Too much negativity.
We get new members to this forum on a daily basis, I'm sure they are a small percentage of new Pentax users overall.
Just check how many times we have to explain why their new camera makes a clunk sound

That's a good one! (and a good metric, too)

ogl · 11-20-2014, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

Yeah but 8 years ago you could have said, "Canon offers a full frame digital camera. Pentax doesn't. RIP."

Then 6 years ago you could have said "Nikon and Canon offer a full frame digital camera. Pentax doesn't. RIP".

Then some 4 years ago you could have said "Sony, Nikon and Canon offer a full frame digital camera. Pentax doesn't. RIP".

Me? You take me for somebody else. It's not my thread.

Pentax and Minolta were photo engineering companies for a long time and brought a lot of inventions to the world of photo gears.That's why this thread makes sense.

Kunzite · 11-20-2014, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

How many formats did Sony abandon? They seem to be very serious about their mirrorless mount. Mind you, Pentax has made some funky direction-switches in the past too. Sans mount changes then.

In 8 years? Compared to Pentax/Asahi Optical decades of existence?

Sony already gave up on DSLRs (though not on the Alpha mount), and I'm expecting a full transition to the E-mount. But, they're doing pretty well on the MILC arena so I won't hold that against them. I'll just keep not buying their cameras

ChristianRock · 11-20-2014, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

So, Pentax should just rely on its userbase waiting forever. Nice businessmodel...

Now you're just using a false dichotomy to afirm that I say that Pentax shouldn't change at all.

I never said that. I said Pentax isn't dead. Of course I'd like to see a list of new products from Pentax, including a full frame camera, and maybe an APS-C mirrorless (new mount that would also support FF, with a large throat for very fast lenses).

I was saying the basis for this thread is nonsense - there's been other things that dented into Pentax's appeal even more than the A7II. I never said Pentax doesn't need new products.

---------- Post added 11-20-14 at 11:59 AM ----------

Originally posted by ogl

Me? You take me for somebody else. It's not my thread.

Pentax and Minolta were photo engineering companies for a long time and brought a lot of inventions to the world of photo gears.That's why this thread makes sense.

No, I wasn't saying you personally

"You" in the US sometimes is used like "one" is in more formal English... instead of "one could say...", we informally say "you could say...". So, sorry about the confusion

I agree that Ricoh moves a bit slower than most of us would like. But I also see that their latest products have been pretty solid and well thought of. So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt... for now.

ogl · 11-20-2014, 10:19 AM

Lets wait a bit...If CP+ won't bring us something outstanding it would be sad...

northcoastgreg · 11-20-2014, 10:35 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by normhead

The counter argument to "this is going to cost Pentax" is, "this is going to cost Sony". The assumption that this isn't going to be a Pentax win

I'm not sure it's going to cost either company, as it seems to Pentax and Sony are, as companies, poles apart, appealing to a very different customer basis. Sony tends to appeal to gearheads, neophiles, people who want cutting edge technology, whereas Pentax is a conservative, cautious, old-school company appealing to old-school photographers who desire photographer-centric, rather than engineer-centric gear. As far as I can tell, the reason why some posters seem to want Pentax to emulate Sony is because they simply don't symphathize with Pentax's basic old school philosophy. In short, they should've never become Pentax users because Pentax will never conform to their ideals. Pentax (or Ricoh) is never going to be able innovate as fast or as well as Sony. They don't have the resources, the company DNA, or the sort of company ideals to do that. But then Sony will never produce a camera as well designed as the K-5 series.

I don't want to see camera companies become more like each other. That sort of homogenization will simply lead to less choices in the market place. I would prefer Pentax to be Pentax, and Sony to be Sony. Each company appeals to a separate photographer-demographic. Why must all companies only serve the gearhead/neophile demographic? Old school photographers buy camera gear as well.

Parallax · 11-20-2014, 10:54 AM - **1 Like**

As the forum rules prohibit brand bashing, and the opening sentence by the OP makes it pretty clear that the purpose of this thread is to bash Pentax, this one's done.

This way to the egress, folks. Don't miss the egress......................

closed

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11-20-2014, 08:15 AM - 1 Like	#46
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by ChristianRock Yeah but 8 years ago you could have said, "Canon offers a full frame digital camera. Pentax doesn't. RIP." Then 6 years ago you could have said "Nikon and Canon offer a full frame digital camera. Pentax doesn't. RIP". Then some 4 years ago you could have said "Sony, Nikon and Canon offer a full frame digital camera. Pentax doesn't. RIP". Now just because Sony put IBIS in their full frame mirrorless camera (that Pentax already doesn't compete with, and might never try to), all of a sudden, the situation got horribly worse? And you don't see why the thread doesn't make sense at all? So, Pentax should just rely on its userbase waiting forever. Nice businessmodel...

11-20-2014, 08:16 AM	#47
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	What the viewpoint that's not being explored is, how many people are going to give up on Sony now, and buy a Pentax because hey don't like the direction Sony is going.The counter argument to "this is going to cost Pentax" is, "this is going to cost Sony". The assumption that this isn't going to be a Pentax win.. is just that, an assumption. Without some kind of hard stats on people migrating between platforms, I think it would be ignorant to even hazard a guess as to how various manufacturers are doing in competition with each other, or what the effect of a new product might be.

11-20-2014, 08:29 AM - 1 Like	#48
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	Originally posted by Clavius So, Pentax should just rely on its userbase waiting forever. Nice businessmodel... This is a joke right? Too much negativity. We get new members to this forum on a daily basis, I'm sure they are a small percentage of new Pentax users overall. Just check how many times we have to explain why their new camera makes a clunk sound

11-20-2014, 08:30 AM	#49
bsamcash Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cupertino, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 391	Originally posted by normhead What the viewpoint that's not being explored is, how many people are going to give up on Sony now, and buy a Pentax because hey don't like the direction Sony is going. I believe this is Sony's biggest fault as a business. They seem to have no direction. They create then abandon formats far too often for me to ever trust them. Pentax has stayed true to the K mount for decades.

11-20-2014, 08:47 AM	#50
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by bsamcash I believe this is Sony's biggest fault as a business. They seem to have no direction. They create then abandon formats far too often for me to ever trust them. Pentax has stayed true to the K mount for decades. How many formats did Sony abandon? They seem to be very serious about their mirrorless mount. Mind you, Pentax has made some funky direction-switches in the past too. Sans mount changes then.

11-20-2014, 09:02 AM	#51
AquaDome Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: New Carlisle, IN Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,475	I thought Pentax was doomed because video wasn't good enough. Is the video on the A7ii good enough for the video kids? If I was looking for a video camera, I would consider a Sony, but probably not this Sony.

11-20-2014, 09:29 AM	#52
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by crewl1 This is a joke right? Too much negativity. We get new members to this forum on a daily basis, I'm sure they are a small percentage of new Pentax users overall. Just check how many times we have to explain why their new camera makes a clunk sound That's a good one! (and a good metric, too)

11-20-2014, 09:34 AM	#53
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by ChristianRock Yeah but 8 years ago you could have said, "Canon offers a full frame digital camera. Pentax doesn't. RIP." Then 6 years ago you could have said "Nikon and Canon offer a full frame digital camera. Pentax doesn't. RIP". Then some 4 years ago you could have said "Sony, Nikon and Canon offer a full frame digital camera. Pentax doesn't. RIP". Me? You take me for somebody else. It's not my thread. Pentax and Minolta were photo engineering companies for a long time and brought a lot of inventions to the world of photo gears.That's why this thread makes sense.

11-20-2014, 09:37 AM	#54
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Clavius How many formats did Sony abandon? They seem to be very serious about their mirrorless mount. Mind you, Pentax has made some funky direction-switches in the past too. Sans mount changes then. In 8 years? Compared to Pentax/Asahi Optical decades of existence? Sony already gave up on DSLRs (though not on the Alpha mount), and I'm expecting a full transition to the E-mount. But, they're doing pretty well on the MILC arena so I won't hold that against them. I'll just keep not buying their cameras

11-20-2014, 09:55 AM	#55
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	Originally posted by Clavius So, Pentax should just rely on its userbase waiting forever. Nice businessmodel... Now you're just using a false dichotomy to afirm that I say that Pentax shouldn't change at all. I never said that. I said Pentax isn't dead. Of course I'd like to see a list of new products from Pentax, including a full frame camera, and maybe an APS-C mirrorless (new mount that would also support FF, with a large throat for very fast lenses). I was saying the basis for this thread is nonsense - there's been other things that dented into Pentax's appeal even more than the A7II. I never said Pentax doesn't need new products. ---------- Post added 11-20-14 at 11:59 AM ---------- Originally posted by ogl Me? You take me for somebody else. It's not my thread. Pentax and Minolta were photo engineering companies for a long time and brought a lot of inventions to the world of photo gears.That's why this thread makes sense. No, I wasn't saying you personally "You" in the US sometimes is used like "one" is in more formal English... instead of "one could say...", we informally say "you could say...". So, sorry about the confusion I agree that Ricoh moves a bit slower than most of us would like. But I also see that their latest products have been pretty solid and well thought of. So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt... for now.

11-20-2014, 10:19 AM	#56
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Lets wait a bit...If CP+ won't bring us something outstanding it would be sad...

11-20-2014, 10:35 AM - 2 Likes	#57
northcoastgreg Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Northern Michigan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,173	Originally posted by normhead The counter argument to "this is going to cost Pentax" is, "this is going to cost Sony". The assumption that this isn't going to be a Pentax win I'm not sure it's going to cost either company, as it seems to Pentax and Sony are, as companies, poles apart, appealing to a very different customer basis. Sony tends to appeal to gearheads, neophiles, people who want cutting edge technology, whereas Pentax is a conservative, cautious, old-school company appealing to old-school photographers who desire photographer-centric, rather than engineer-centric gear. As far as I can tell, the reason why some posters seem to want Pentax to emulate Sony is because they simply don't symphathize with Pentax's basic old school philosophy. In short, they should've never become Pentax users because Pentax will never conform to their ideals. Pentax (or Ricoh) is never going to be able innovate as fast or as well as Sony. They don't have the resources, the company DNA, or the sort of company ideals to do that. But then Sony will never produce a camera as well designed as the K-5 series. I don't want to see camera companies become more like each other. That sort of homogenization will simply lead to less choices in the market place. I would prefer Pentax to be Pentax, and Sony to be Sony. Each company appeals to a separate photographer-demographic. Why must all companies only serve the gearhead/neophile demographic? Old school photographers buy camera gear as well.