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05-16-2015, 10:46 AM   #16
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Nikon has too many models.
Of those models, they produce too many models that are very close in features.
That tends to be confusing.

Pentax in contrast has always been lean on models offered.

Look at this page, do a "view all"

DSLR and HDSLR Cameras | Compare Digital Cameras | Nikon

16 dSLR cameras!!!!!!

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QuoteOriginally posted by LaurenOE Quote
Nikon has too many models.
Of those models, they produce too many models that are very close in features.
That tends to be confusing.

Pentax in contrast has always been lean on models offered.

Look at this page, do a "view all"

DSLR and HDSLR Cameras | Compare Digital Cameras | Nikon

16 dSLR cameras!!!!!!
Well, when you look at it's overhelming :

-D3200
-D3300
-D5200
-D5300
-D5500
-D7000
-D7100
-D7200
-D610
-D750
-D810
-D810A (Hum ! Something new ?)
-Df
-D3X
-D4
-D4s

All are very close in term of everything !

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You do have to increase profits every year or you are going out of business in the tech world.
In an increaasing market yes, in a decreasing market no.

In a decreasing market, increasing profit margin means basicaly that you do reduce production and do more profit per unit. This never happen in real world.
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In a decreasing market, increasing profit margin means basicaly that you do reduce production and do more profit per unit. This never happen in real world.

Funny, because that is exactly what is happening in the camera market. Fewer cameras are being sold, but the ones that are selling are the premium units which provide more profit per unit sold. Both Fuji and Sony report fewer units sold, but more revenue from sales of higher end cameras.
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The 810a is their astronomy model, i think..a niche within a niche Astro folk on average have plenty of income for such cameras, but I'll take a Q and a $200 tilting platform!


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That's because the Earth doesn't revolve around Sony. Not every article ever written about photography or the industry has to include them.
Sorry to break the news.
it's never good to let a burr under the saddle interfere with impartiality

sony is the biggest mirrorless player on the market, so how their stock situation fares vs. canikon could be indicative of future trends... most people out here get that.

sony started the year off at ~$20 a share, they are now at ~$32 a share: "As of May 12, 2015, the consensus forecast amongst 21 polled investment analysts covering Sony Corp advises that the company will outperform the market. This has been the consensus forecast since the sentiment of investment analysts improved on Apr 25, 2013. The previous consensus forecast advised investors to hold their position in Sony Corp." Sony Corp, 6758:TYO forecasts - FT.com

canon started off the year at ~$31 a share, they are now at ~$36 a share: "It(Canon) did not specify first-quarter compact sales, but lowered its 2015 forecast to 7.0 million cameras from 7.8 million, or 23 percent less than 2014. It projected sales of higher-end cameras with interchangeable lenses at 5.8 million rather than 6.4 million, representing a 9.4 percent on-year decline." UPDATE 2-Canon Q1 profit drops as compact camera demand collapses | Reuters

nikon started off the year at ~$13 a share, they are still at ~$13 a share.

sony is heavily diversified, so things are complicated... but there is this: "Sony trimmed its 2014-15 camera sales target to 1.3 trillion yen ($12.7 billion)" Sony Considering Selling off Music and Film Divisions
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it's never good to let a burr under the saddle interfere with impartiality
I assure you, I am as impartial as you.
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I assure you, I am as impartial as you.
i think that the only thing you know is pentax and ovf

and this is a non-pentax forum.
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and this is a non-pentax forum.
Yes, and a thread about Nikon.

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so all of these thread posts mentioning canon, olympus, fuji, apple, rim, and ricoh, are o.k., but sony is not allowed, there is a new forum rule against the s-word.

are we allowed to abbreviate? maybe s**y?
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Funny, because that is exactly what is happening in the camera market. Fewer cameras are being sold, but the ones that are selling are the premium units which provide more profit per unit sold. Both Fuji and Sony report fewer units sold, but more revenue from sales of higher end cameras.
If we get to the first point, that was that Nikon is doing less profit in a decreasing market, well even if you increase profit margin, you still have less profit.
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Nikon at least recognizes its exposure and is trying to do something about it by buying Optos. But still, this is imaging, whether medical or not. Whereas, when you look at Sony, Canon, and Ricoh, they are quite a bit further diversified that that. Sony -- well we all know the things Sony is involved in. Both Ricoh and Canon have successful copier lines. Canon is doing very well with its printers and scanners. But Nikon continues to have tunnel vision in this regard. You know, Nikon makes some of the best binoculars and rifle scopes on the market. But this is still optical.

You know, there's one characteristic of Japanese companies that you don't see in the West. Western companies, when they diversify, they tend to stay in the same ballpark. And I guess I could argue that even Sony is staying in the same ballpark because Sony is predominantly an entertainment company, and photography can be regarded as entertaining, seems to me. But some other Japanese companies often take a hard left turn when they think about diversification. Take Yamaha, for example. Yamaha is and has always been predominantly a musical instrument manufacturer. And they're damned good at it too. But yet, for whatever reason, they decided to start building motorcycles. It was 1953 and the idea to do it grew out of a way to put to use some idle machining equipment. But the guy who oversaw the project did his homework, thoroughly researched the market and its potential and decided to go for it. The first Yamaha motorcycle was produced in 1954. Now, what possible relationship do motorcycles have with pianos and clarinets? None. It was a market where potential was found, and they went for it. And went on to build some of the world's best and, on a few occasions, most influential motorcycles.

Perhaps Nikon should take the blinders off and take a page out of Yamaha's playbook.

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Canon is doing very well with its printers and scanners.
It would not surprise me to see Ricoh move into photoprinters and compete with Epson, Canon, & HP.
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