Has aps c caught up to full frame?

wildman · 09-28-2015, 01:55 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Rondec

At this point, it is a question of "good enough."

"Good enough" is a commie socialist plot to undermine capitalism.and destroy the American consumer economy.

Last edited by wildman; 09-28-2015 at 02:01 PM.

tuco · 09-28-2015, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Rondec

... At this point, it is a question of "good enough." For many people, a cell phone is good enough.

I started shooting an old, by digital standards, 2009 sensor tech camera that are available used at way better prices now. It's slow and has poor high ISO. And though I can reach for a more modern and higher tech sensor camera to take out with me, I really do enjoy using it so far and taking part in the commie pink-o plot of it's "good enough" for a lot of things.

rawr · 09-28-2015, 03:08 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by wildman

"Good enough" is a commie socialist plot to undermine capitalism.and destroy the American consumer economy.

Notions of "good enough", and the related "make do", pre-date Communism by about 1 million years. Habits of frugality and economy are often learnt from simple hardship, and most of mankind has known only that since the dawn of time.

johnmflores · 10-18-2015, 08:17 PM

The 1" sensor is poised to take over the world, with image quality good enough for most and lenses that are much smaller than larger sensor formats.

**clackers** · 10-18-2015, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by johnmflores

The 1" sensor is poised to take over the world, with image quality good enough for most and lenses that are much smaller than larger sensor formats.

This was said beforehand about m43, John, and it hasn't happened.

I've got a 1" sensor camera, BTW.

6BQ5 · 10-18-2015, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by clackers

This was said beforehand about m43, John, and it hasn't happened.

I've got a 1" sensor camera, BTW.

u4/3 isn't too far behind APS. Check out the latest review of the Lumix GX-8.

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 Review: Top-ranking Four-Thirds sensor - DxOMark

I think 1" sensors have a larger chasm to cross.

**clackers** · 10-18-2015, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by 6BQ5

u4/3 isn't too far behind APS.

They haven't "taken over the world", Boris.

But they were hyped that way when they came out. :-)

6BQ5 · 10-18-2015, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by clackers

They haven't "taken over the world", Boris.

But they were hyped that way when they came out. :-)

Well, not yet, at least.

I still believe that in 10-15 years APS will be "dead" and the upscale digital image sensor world will be divided primarily between u4/3 and FF. APS will be a "vintage no man's land". Plenty of used bodies and lenses will fill up the classifieds and eBay. Most people will jump to one system or the other. Some will use both for fun.

The big question to me is what comes after that? What formats will we see 30 years from now? It's easy to get all sci-fi about it and say we'll all be using pinky nail sized sensors with 50 bajillion pixels that project 3D holograms. Phooey. In the 1950's everyone thought people living today would be going to work on a flying car. That didn't happen. So, I think we'll all still be bending light with glass or plastic to project a flat image onto a sensing medium. I'll also be a pruney old man who may not have the sense to understand or remember anything I say today (as if I have perfect clarity of thought now).

**Rondec** · 10-19-2015, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by 6BQ5

Well, not yet, at least.

I still believe that in 10-15 years APS will be "dead" and the upscale digital image sensor world will be divided primarily between u4/3 and FF. APS will be a "vintage no man's land". Plenty of used bodies and lenses will fill up the classifieds and eBay. Most people will jump to one system or the other. Some will use both for fun.

The big question to me is what comes after that? What formats will we see 30 years from now? It's easy to get all sci-fi about it and say we'll all be using pinky nail sized sensors with 50 bajillion pixels that project 3D holograms. Phooey. In the 1950's everyone thought people living today would be going to work on a flying car. That didn't happen. So, I think we'll all still be bending light with glass or plastic to project a flat image onto a sensing medium. I'll also be a pruney old man who may not have the sense to understand or remember anything I say today (as if I have perfect clarity of thought now).

We are pretty close to maximum efficiency on current sensors. There is maybe one more stop to gain and so I don't see the future being that much different. Probably the wave of the future is making crappy gear and using software to fix lens aberrations and reduce noise, but hey, we're there already with some of the gear currently on the market...

johnmflores · 10-19-2015, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by clackers

This was said beforehand about m43, John, and it hasn't happened.

I've got a 1" sensor camera, BTW.

The difference is the size of the lenses. M43 zooms are still close in size to APS-C zooms and too large for many casual photographers. 1" zooms are much smaller, and they are making their way into a whole new array of cameras like the Sony RX100 series, Panasonic FZ series, Canon G series, Nikon, and so on.

aleonx3 · 10-19-2015, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by 6BQ5

I still believe that in 10-15 years APS will be "dead" and the upscale digital image sensor world will be divided primarily between u4/3 and FF. APS will be a "vintage no man's land". Plenty of used bodies and lenses will fill up the classifieds and eBay. Most people will jump to one system or the other. Some will use both for fun.

IMHO, while I shoot mainly in event and stage photography, APS-C format is in that sweet spot, not FF nor u4/3. I shoot along side with many FF users, I have yet to see someone who can get better images than mine with my k-3 or even k-5IIs. With the advance of sensor technology in the last few years (especially Sony), it appears to be crossing the chasm that noise in smaller sensor such as APS-C (less than FF) is no longer an issue compare to the days of k10 or k-7.

If you understand stage photography, you know what I mean (you can only get as close as to the edge of the stage). So I am waiting for the days to come when all those used APS-C bodies and lenses are all available for cheap. And I want them in 5 years time, not 10-15 years.

ChristianRock · 10-19-2015, 05:37 PM

I also think that APSC is the sweet spot for quality and value for most uses. Predictions of its demise are, to me, complete nonsense.

**clackers** · 10-19-2015, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

I also think that APSC is the sweet spot for quality and value for most uses. Predictions of its demise are, to me, complete nonsense.

+1.

I have FF, 1" (with three lenses), P&S and a phone but it's the APS-C I end up using more than any of the others.

10-19-2015, 08:58 AM	#26
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by 6BQ5 I still believe that in 10-15 years APS will be "dead" and the upscale digital image sensor world will be divided primarily between u4/3 and FF. APS will be a "vintage no man's land". Plenty of used bodies and lenses will fill up the classifieds and eBay. Most people will jump to one system or the other. Some will use both for fun. IMHO, while I shoot mainly in event and stage photography, APS-C format is in that sweet spot, not FF nor u4/3. I shoot along side with many FF users, I have yet to see someone who can get better images than mine with my k-3 or even k-5IIs. With the advance of sensor technology in the last few years (especially Sony), it appears to be crossing the chasm that noise in smaller sensor such as APS-C (less than FF) is no longer an issue compare to the days of k10 or k-7. If you understand stage photography, you know what I mean (you can only get as close as to the edge of the stage). So I am waiting for the days to come when all those used APS-C bodies and lenses are all available for cheap. And I want them in 5 years time, not 10-15 years. Last edited by aleonx3; 10-19-2015 at 09:48 AM.

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09-28-2015, 01:55 PM - 1 Like	#16
wildman Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flyover America Posts: 4,469	Originally posted by Rondec At this point, it is a question of "good enough." "Good enough" is a commie socialist plot to undermine capitalism.and destroy the American consumer economy. Last edited by wildman; 09-28-2015 at 02:01 PM.

09-28-2015, 02:16 PM	#17
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,030	Originally posted by Rondec ... At this point, it is a question of "good enough." For many people, a cell phone is good enough. I started shooting an old, by digital standards, 2009 sensor tech camera that are available used at way better prices now. It's slow and has poor high ISO. And though I can reach for a more modern and higher tech sensor camera to take out with me, I really do enjoy using it so far and taking part in the commie pink-o plot of it's "good enough" for a lot of things.

09-28-2015, 03:08 PM - 1 Like	#18
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by wildman "Good enough" is a commie socialist plot to undermine capitalism.and destroy the American consumer economy. Notions of "good enough", and the related "make do", pre-date Communism by about 1 million years. Habits of frugality and economy are often learnt from simple hardship, and most of mankind has known only that since the dawn of time.

10-18-2015, 08:17 PM	#19
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	The 1" sensor is poised to take over the world, with image quality good enough for most and lenses that are much smaller than larger sensor formats.

10-18-2015, 09:29 PM	#20
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by johnmflores The 1" sensor is poised to take over the world, with image quality good enough for most and lenses that are much smaller than larger sensor formats. This was said beforehand about m43, John, and it hasn't happened. I've got a 1" sensor camera, BTW.

10-18-2015, 09:36 PM	#21
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	Originally posted by clackers This was said beforehand about m43, John, and it hasn't happened. I've got a 1" sensor camera, BTW. u4/3 isn't too far behind APS. Check out the latest review of the Lumix GX-8. Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 Review: Top-ranking Four-Thirds sensor - DxOMark I think 1" sensors have a larger chasm to cross.

10-18-2015, 10:05 PM	#22
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by 6BQ5 u4/3 isn't too far behind APS. They haven't "taken over the world", Boris. But they were hyped that way when they came out. :-)

10-18-2015, 10:23 PM	#23
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	Originally posted by clackers They haven't "taken over the world", Boris. But they were hyped that way when they came out. :-) Well, not yet, at least. I still believe that in 10-15 years APS will be "dead" and the upscale digital image sensor world will be divided primarily between u4/3 and FF. APS will be a "vintage no man's land". Plenty of used bodies and lenses will fill up the classifieds and eBay. Most people will jump to one system or the other. Some will use both for fun. The big question to me is what comes after that? What formats will we see 30 years from now? It's easy to get all sci-fi about it and say we'll all be using pinky nail sized sensors with 50 bajillion pixels that project 3D holograms. Phooey. In the 1950's everyone thought people living today would be going to work on a flying car. That didn't happen. So, I think we'll all still be bending light with glass or plastic to project a flat image onto a sensing medium. I'll also be a pruney old man who may not have the sense to understand or remember anything I say today (as if I have perfect clarity of thought now).

10-19-2015, 02:45 AM	#24
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	Originally posted by 6BQ5 Well, not yet, at least. I still believe that in 10-15 years APS will be "dead" and the upscale digital image sensor world will be divided primarily between u4/3 and FF. APS will be a "vintage no man's land". Plenty of used bodies and lenses will fill up the classifieds and eBay. Most people will jump to one system or the other. Some will use both for fun. The big question to me is what comes after that? What formats will we see 30 years from now? It's easy to get all sci-fi about it and say we'll all be using pinky nail sized sensors with 50 bajillion pixels that project 3D holograms. Phooey. In the 1950's everyone thought people living today would be going to work on a flying car. That didn't happen. So, I think we'll all still be bending light with glass or plastic to project a flat image onto a sensing medium. I'll also be a pruney old man who may not have the sense to understand or remember anything I say today (as if I have perfect clarity of thought now). We are pretty close to maximum efficiency on current sensors. There is maybe one more stop to gain and so I don't see the future being that much different. Probably the wave of the future is making crappy gear and using software to fix lens aberrations and reduce noise, but hey, we're there already with some of the gear currently on the market...

10-19-2015, 08:39 AM	#25
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by clackers This was said beforehand about m43, John, and it hasn't happened. I've got a 1" sensor camera, BTW. The difference is the size of the lenses. M43 zooms are still close in size to APS-C zooms and too large for many casual photographers. 1" zooms are much smaller, and they are making their way into a whole new array of cameras like the Sony RX100 series, Panasonic FZ series, Canon G series, Nikon, and so on.

10-19-2015, 05:37 PM	#27
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,912	I also think that APSC is the sweet spot for quality and value for most uses. Predictions of its demise are, to me, complete nonsense.

10-19-2015, 05:49 PM	#28
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by ChristianRock I also think that APSC is the sweet spot for quality and value for most uses. Predictions of its demise are, to me, complete nonsense. +1. I have FF, 1" (with three lenses), P&S and a phone but it's the APS-C I end up using more than any of the others.