Nikon buys Samsung NX Mirrorless Technology

**Rondec** · 12-04-2015, 03:54 AM

Nikon certainly gets their sensors wherever they can get them. They have use Sony, Toshiba and Aptina in the past, I believe. I wouldn't be surprised at all, if the price was right and the performance was adequate, if Nikon would buy from Samsung. But that isn't exactly the same as throwing over SLRs in favor of mirrorless cameras, which is the way a lot of people seemed to read this unverified rumor.

mecrox · 12-04-2015, 04:47 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Rondec

Nikon certainly gets their sensors wherever they can get them. They have use Sony, Toshiba and Aptina in the past, I believe. I wouldn't be surprised at all, if the price was right and the performance was adequate, if Nikon would buy from Samsung. But that isn't exactly the same as throwing over SLRs in favor of mirrorless cameras, which is the way a lot of people seemed to read this unverified rumor.

The "Samsung story" is probably just a pawn in the long-running battle between Canon, Nikon and Sony. One can see that talking to Samsung might hold some interest for Nikon even if nothing ever comes of it. Scoping out possible alternative suppliers and so on in case of an unexpected upset is just prudence really. These companies must talk to one another even if informally quite often in any case? None exists in a complete vacuum. Just one example: if Nikon wanted a high-res DSLR rival to the Canon 5DS and Sony wasn't playing nice, what else are they going to do but talk to others.

**Digitalis** · 12-04-2015, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by 6BQ5

Ricoh may find themselves closer to the front of the line when it comes to getting access to Sony's newest technology.

...or get caught in the technological crossfire...

philbaum · 12-04-2015, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

...... I wouldn't be surprised at all, if the price was right and the performance was adequate, if Nikon would buy from Samsung. But that isn't exactly the same as throwing over SLRs in favor of mirrorless cameras, which is the way a lot of people seemed to read this unverified rumor.

I don't know if you are referring to me or not. But even if i were CEO of Nikon (

), i wouldnt' shut down SLRs. But i would insist on one competitive mirrorless FF model to be displayed along with their numerous FF DSLR models. And then i would let the marketplace sales tell me what the consumers think. Nikon and Canon managers seem to think they can control the marketplace if they don't themselves make any large sensor mirrorless. Good luck with that

But the cat's out of the bag, Sony FF mirrorless cameras are getting more popular year by year. Will DSLRs go away entirely. Of course not, there are things that DSLRs excel at. Sony only has about 10% of ILC sales and doesn't really need that many new sales to show that their concept is successful. Sony's sales gains are against a backdrop of overall declining sales for enthusiast cameras - amazing.

I even posted in the Nikon FF thread on this rumor on Dpreview. Surprisingly enough, there are several Nikon owners who think that Nikon building a large sensor mirrorless would be a good thing. Thats how far perceptions have changed.

**Rondec** · 12-04-2015, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by philbaum

I don't know if you are referring to me or not. But even if i were CEO of Nikon (

), i wouldnt' shut down SLRs. But i would insist on one competitive mirrorless FF model to be displayed along with their numerous FF DSLR models. And then i would let the marketplace sales tell me what the consumers think. Nikon and Canon managers seem to think they can control the marketplace if they don't themselves make any large sensor mirrorless. Good luck with that

But the cat's out of the bag, Sony FF mirrorless cameras are getting more popular year by year. Will DSLRs go away entirely. Of course not, there are things that DSLRs excel at. Sony only has about 10% of ILC sales and doesn't really need that many new sales to show that their concept is successful. Sony's sales gains are against a backdrop of overall declining sales for enthusiast cameras - amazing.

I even posted in the Nikon FF thread on this rumor on Dpreview. Surprisingly enough, there are several Nikon owners who think that Nikon building a large sensor mirrorless would be a good thing. Thats how far perceptions have changed.

I definitely wasn't referring to anyone. More just speculating. Whether Nikon releases a larger sensored mirrorless camera is unrelated to this story. I think Nikon is very capable of releasing a mirrorless, smaller version of the D7200 or the D810 pretty quickly. Up till now they have gone with the V and J series mirrorless cameras and avoided larger sensors in them. Maybe that will change over time, but that is a calculation that only they can make and I think the reason they have avoided such a release till now has nothing to do with a lack of technology expertise.

**Digitalis** · 12-04-2015, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by philbaum

I even posted in the Nikon FF thread on this rumor on Dpreview. Surprisingly enough, there are several Nikon owners who think that Nikon building a large sensor mirrorless would be a good thing.

And you're not expecting any kind of bias or cognitive deficit to be present and skew your results?

philbaum · 12-04-2015, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Digitalis

And you're not expecting any kind of bias or cognitive deficit to be present and skew your results?

You have a very "reserved" sense of humour

I read a Nikon reply today that had that old time bias to it. Think i'll stop reading and try to preserve any illusions i have left

Oddly enough, i think one of the least biased forum (in my limited experience) out there may be the Sony forum on dpreview. Several members are refugees from Canon, Nikon and yes, Pentax camps. They mostly just want advice about overcoming this problem, that problem, or what this odd symptom means Sure there are the odd troll drop-ins.

dsmithhfx · 12-04-2015, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by philbaum

You have a very "reserved" sense of humour

I read a Nikon reply today that had that old time bias to it. Think i'll stop reading and try to preserve any illusions i have left

Oddly enough, i think one of the least biased forum (in my limited experience) out there may be the Sony forum on dpreview. Several members are refugees from Canon, Nikon and yes, Pentax camps. They mostly just want advice about overcoming this problem, that problem, or what this odd symptom means Sure there are the odd troll drop-ins.

Refugees?

**Digitalis** · 12-04-2015, 07:37 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by dsmithhfx

Refugees?

Yes, refugees. Camera wars, it is all fun and games until someone takes a lens cap to the knee.

dsmithhfx · 12-05-2015, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

Yes, refugees. Camera wars, it is all fun and games until someone takes a lens cap to the knee.

Someone fleeing persecution, war, torture or famine is a refugee. Someone switching camera brands is not a refugee. FYI.

**Digitalis** · 12-05-2015, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by dsmithhfx

Someone fleeing persecution, war, torture or famine is a refugee. Someone switching camera brands is not a refugee. FYI.

I'm well aware of this...we really need a sarcasm smiley on this forum...

---------- Post added 12-06-15 at 02:36 AM ----------

no, wait, I just found a good one.,.

bvg · 12-06-2015, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by dsmithhfx

Refugees?

Traitors!

dsmithhfx · 12-06-2015, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by bvg

Traitors!

What?

**clackers** · 12-06-2015, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by dsmithhfx

What?

Your eyes are rolling in your head, Dsmithhfx!

I think you're being more ... um ... serious ... than the other thread participants. :-)

**RobA_Oz** · 12-07-2015, 01:42 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

Your eyes are rolling in your head, Dsmithhfx!

I think you're being more ... um ... serious ... than the other thread participants. :-)

Good grief! You mean there are non-serious people here? Take their names!

12-04-2015, 10:08 AM	#34
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rondec ...... I wouldn't be surprised at all, if the price was right and the performance was adequate, if Nikon would buy from Samsung. But that isn't exactly the same as throwing over SLRs in favor of mirrorless cameras, which is the way a lot of people seemed to read this unverified rumor. I don't know if you are referring to me or not. But even if i were CEO of Nikon (), i wouldnt' shut down SLRs. But i would insist on one competitive mirrorless FF model to be displayed along with their numerous FF DSLR models. And then i would let the marketplace sales tell me what the consumers think. Nikon and Canon managers seem to think they can control the marketplace if they don't themselves make any large sensor mirrorless. Good luck with that But the cat's out of the bag, Sony FF mirrorless cameras are getting more popular year by year. Will DSLRs go away entirely. Of course not, there are things that DSLRs excel at. Sony only has about 10% of ILC sales and doesn't really need that many new sales to show that their concept is successful. Sony's sales gains are against a backdrop of overall declining sales for enthusiast cameras - amazing. I even posted in the Nikon FF thread on this rumor on Dpreview. Surprisingly enough, there are several Nikon owners who think that Nikon building a large sensor mirrorless would be a good thing. Thats how far perceptions have changed.

12-04-2015, 11:13 AM	#35
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	Originally posted by philbaum I don't know if you are referring to me or not. But even if i were CEO of Nikon (), i wouldnt' shut down SLRs. But i would insist on one competitive mirrorless FF model to be displayed along with their numerous FF DSLR models. And then i would let the marketplace sales tell me what the consumers think. Nikon and Canon managers seem to think they can control the marketplace if they don't themselves make any large sensor mirrorless. Good luck with that But the cat's out of the bag, Sony FF mirrorless cameras are getting more popular year by year. Will DSLRs go away entirely. Of course not, there are things that DSLRs excel at. Sony only has about 10% of ILC sales and doesn't really need that many new sales to show that their concept is successful. Sony's sales gains are against a backdrop of overall declining sales for enthusiast cameras - amazing. I even posted in the Nikon FF thread on this rumor on Dpreview. Surprisingly enough, there are several Nikon owners who think that Nikon building a large sensor mirrorless would be a good thing. Thats how far perceptions have changed. I definitely wasn't referring to anyone. More just speculating. Whether Nikon releases a larger sensored mirrorless camera is unrelated to this story. I think Nikon is very capable of releasing a mirrorless, smaller version of the D7200 or the D810 pretty quickly. Up till now they have gone with the V and J series mirrorless cameras and avoided larger sensors in them. Maybe that will change over time, but that is a calculation that only they can make and I think the reason they have avoided such a release till now has nothing to do with a lack of technology expertise.

12-04-2015, 07:37 PM - 1 Like	#39
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by dsmithhfx Refugees? Yes, refugees. Camera wars, it is all fun and games until someone takes a lens cap to the knee. Last edited by Digitalis; 12-04-2015 at 07:59 PM.

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12-04-2015, 03:54 AM	#31
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	Nikon certainly gets their sensors wherever they can get them. They have use Sony, Toshiba and Aptina in the past, I believe. I wouldn't be surprised at all, if the price was right and the performance was adequate, if Nikon would buy from Samsung. But that isn't exactly the same as throwing over SLRs in favor of mirrorless cameras, which is the way a lot of people seemed to read this unverified rumor.

12-04-2015, 04:47 AM - 1 Like	#32
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	Originally posted by Rondec Nikon certainly gets their sensors wherever they can get them. They have use Sony, Toshiba and Aptina in the past, I believe. I wouldn't be surprised at all, if the price was right and the performance was adequate, if Nikon would buy from Samsung. But that isn't exactly the same as throwing over SLRs in favor of mirrorless cameras, which is the way a lot of people seemed to read this unverified rumor. The "Samsung story" is probably just a pawn in the long-running battle between Canon, Nikon and Sony. One can see that talking to Samsung might hold some interest for Nikon even if nothing ever comes of it. Scoping out possible alternative suppliers and so on in case of an unexpected upset is just prudence really. These companies must talk to one another even if informally quite often in any case? None exists in a complete vacuum. Just one example: if Nikon wanted a high-res DSLR rival to the Canon 5DS and Sony wasn't playing nice, what else are they going to do but talk to others.

12-04-2015, 06:00 AM	#33
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by 6BQ5 Ricoh may find themselves closer to the front of the line when it comes to getting access to Sony's newest technology. ...or get caught in the technological crossfire...

12-04-2015, 05:14 PM	#36
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by philbaum I even posted in the Nikon FF thread on this rumor on Dpreview. Surprisingly enough, there are several Nikon owners who think that Nikon building a large sensor mirrorless would be a good thing. And you're not expecting any kind of bias or cognitive deficit to be present and skew your results?

12-04-2015, 05:44 PM	#37
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659 Original Poster	Originally posted by Digitalis And you're not expecting any kind of bias or cognitive deficit to be present and skew your results? You have a very "reserved" sense of humour I read a Nikon reply today that had that old time bias to it. Think i'll stop reading and try to preserve any illusions i have left Oddly enough, i think one of the least biased forum (in my limited experience) out there may be the Sony forum on dpreview. Several members are refugees from Canon, Nikon and yes, Pentax camps. They mostly just want advice about overcoming this problem, that problem, or what this odd symptom means Sure there are the odd troll drop-ins.

12-04-2015, 06:49 PM	#38
dsmithhfx Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Toronto Posts: 5,141	Originally posted by philbaum You have a very "reserved" sense of humour I read a Nikon reply today that had that old time bias to it. Think i'll stop reading and try to preserve any illusions i have left Oddly enough, i think one of the least biased forum (in my limited experience) out there may be the Sony forum on dpreview. Several members are refugees from Canon, Nikon and yes, Pentax camps. They mostly just want advice about overcoming this problem, that problem, or what this odd symptom means Sure there are the odd troll drop-ins. Refugees?

12-05-2015, 08:02 AM	#40
dsmithhfx Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Toronto Posts: 5,141	Originally posted by Digitalis Yes, refugees. Camera wars, it is all fun and games until someone takes a lens cap to the knee. Someone fleeing persecution, war, torture or famine is a refugee. Someone switching camera brands is not a refugee. FYI.

12-05-2015, 08:58 AM	#41
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by dsmithhfx Someone fleeing persecution, war, torture or famine is a refugee. Someone switching camera brands is not a refugee. FYI. I'm well aware of this...we really need a sarcasm smiley on this forum... ---------- Post added 12-06-15 at 02:36 AM ---------- no, wait, I just found a good one.,.

12-06-2015, 06:44 AM	#42
bvg Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 340	Originally posted by dsmithhfx Refugees? Traitors!

12-06-2015, 06:56 AM	#43
dsmithhfx Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Toronto Posts: 5,141	Originally posted by bvg Traitors! What?

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12-06-2015, 11:57 PM	#44
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by dsmithhfx What? Your eyes are rolling in your head, Dsmithhfx! I think you're being more ... um ... serious ... than the other thread participants. :-)

12-07-2015, 01:42 AM - 1 Like	#45
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,191	Originally posted by clackers Your eyes are rolling in your head, Dsmithhfx! I think you're being more ... um ... serious ... than the other thread participants. :-) Good grief! You mean there are non-serious people here? Take their names!