[Rondec]

I do wonder if they made the sensor up to quality (relative, since it is smaller) to D810 with extra big dynamic range.

This is a sports camera. Fast auto focus, fast sensor read out, super-big buffer. Most sports photographers are OK with fewer megapixels and don't particularly care about dynamic range.

Beyond that, the number of megapixels isn't really that much differ from the K3 at 24 megapixels. I certainly wouldn't expect this to pass up the D7200 with regard to dynamic range.

[bertwert]

Sample videos from the 360 camera:
Here Are the First 360° VR Videos Shot with the Nikon KeyMission 360

[RonHendriks1966]

Sample videos from the 360 camera:
Here Are the First 360° VR Videos Shot with the Nikon KeyMission 360

Looks nice. Better then thè Theta samples I've seen last week.

[pathdoc]

Best thing I can say about either camera is that they take a step back from the megapixel escalation war. However, they do attempt to climb the escalation ladder VERY fast in some other respects. I don't need the incredible level of performance that either of these cameras offers, and I would have no interest in buying either even if a million dollars were small change to me.

Seeing as a million dollars is NOT small change to me, let's talk about prices. I saw the prices in my inbox this morning. Three grand for the D500 with lens, six grand plus for the D5 and no clear mention of whether this includes the lens or not. Nikon's not about to get me to jump, at least not with the D500, considering that I can have a K3 or even a K3-II for under a third of the price it would cost me to get the D500 and its as-issued lens. And there surely ain't no way the K-1 is going to top off at six grand. If anything, the body only is possibly going to undercut the crop-sensor D500, and with plenty of compatible lenses already in my collection, there's nothing to stop me from going the body-only route and having the K-1 ready to go right out of the box (assuming the battery has been shipped with sufficient charge).

I hate to say it, Nikonites, but I think the K-1 is going to be to the D-5 what the 645Z is to Phase One and Hasselblad.

Not that I would mind taking ONE walk around the block with a D-5 at night, just to see what that 3 million ISO ceiling was really like, but buying one is not in my future.

[cali92rs]

I hate to say it, Nikonites, but I think the K-1 is going to be to the D-5 what the 645Z is to Phase One and Hasselblad.

The K-1's competition from Nikon isn't the D5, but the Df, D610, D750, the D810 and D810A (not to mention the fact that the D610 and D810 replacements are probably coming later this year)..
So I am not exactly sure how your D5/K1 analogy is true.

[mecrox]

Best thing I can say about either camera is that they take a step back from the megapixel escalation war. However, they do attempt to climb the escalation ladder VERY fast in some other respects. I don't need the incredible level of performance that either of these cameras offers, and I would have no interest in buying either even if a million dollars were small change to me.

Seeing as a million dollars is NOT small change to me, let's talk about prices. I saw the prices in my inbox this morning. Three grand for the D500 with lens, six grand plus for the D5 and no clear mention of whether this includes the lens or not. Nikon's not about to get me to jump, at least not with the D500, considering that I can have a K3 or even a K3-II for under a third of the price it would cost me to get the D500 and its as-issued lens. And there surely ain't no way the K-1 is going to top off at six grand. If anything, the body only is possibly going to undercut the crop-sensor D500, and with plenty of compatible lenses already in my collection, there's nothing to stop me from going the body-only route and having the K-1 ready to go right out of the box (assuming the battery has been shipped with sufficient charge).

I hate to say it, Nikonites, but I think the K-1 is going to be to the D-5 what the 645Z is to Phase One and Hasselblad.

Not that I would mind taking ONE walk around the block with a D-5 at night, just to see what that 3 million ISO ceiling was really like, but buying one is not in my future.

There's absolutely no need for anyone to jump anywhere unless in the D5/D500 they require the best APS-C or FF sports/action cameras in the business and are prepared to pay both for them and for the long glass to mount on them. That's many thousands of dollars, in one case on a pure pro camera mainly for sports journalists. Neither of these cameras is what the vast majority of folks are looking for which is a fine but not silly-expensive camera for general stuff, something that's equally at home with the family, landscapes, travel, a bit of action, interiors, etc, etc. The K3 or the D7200 fit the bill for that perfectly on APS-C and the D750 most probably does on FF. Unless someone's needs are specialist - high-res high-end landscapes, sports action, e.g. - buying a camera not really designed for general photography is a waste of money, imho.

Interestingly, Olympus have just announced that they can put 16 mpx on a subject with a prime lens at 600mm and Panny have also announced a zoom which can do the same at 800mm, in 135mm terms. Both lenses are hefty by M43 standards but an awful lot more portable than an FF behemoth and both are being presented as of professional quality. There's an argument for saying that the action is nearly as much here as it is with Nikon and all their headline hogging. How many airlines these days are going to let anyone carry on a 600mm FF enormity? These smaller formats seem an awful lot more realistic for many uses.

[Imp]

But, I read a review by a concert photographer who got to use it but couldn't publish his findings till the announcement. According to him, the high ISO performance is so amazing that he felt like he was shooting with a FF camera.

Could you post a link? I'm interested

[Imp]

Also, as a side note, its curious how people say that Pentax won't announce the K-1 at CES because its a CONSUMER electronics show. Now duh, they didn't, and we know when they're going to announce it (knock on wood), but its curious to see that CES is clearly good enough for Nikon for the D5/D500. Probably because they want to beat the Canon 1dxii/5div announcement

[starbase218]

Then do that instead of complaining about stuff, or maybe you love to complain more than taking photo's. If you'd truly want to live by that mantra we'd not see you here as much. Just admit it you are a gear head despite of all your efforts not to be one.

You are right that I spend too much time in topics like this, on the technical parts of photography forums. But how is that your problem? It is about my relation to photography, and I fully admit that that relation is not what I want (it's the truth, so why not write it here?). I do think, though, that part of the reason why this happened is that, on brand-specific forums like these, people tend to praise the brand. That's not me, so maybe I react to that. But like I said: how is that your problem?

Besides, I don't think it helps a manufacturer when people only post positive things. You probably won't believe it, but I write many of my comments to do that - help Pentax. It's true that I only write from my own perspective. But then how can I write from anyone else's?

Another reason I write what I write is that, on several occasions, I have seen a pattern on forums like this: when a product is anticipated, people speculate about it, posting their expectations and hopes. Then, when the product is released, sometimes it does not meet those speculations. E.g. when the 20-40 was on the roadmap, people speculated about the price, among other things. When it was released, the price turned out to be much higher than those expectations. But instead of people saying they didn't like that, people posted explanations why somehow the price was fair. I can't help but think that - would the price have been suggested by someone before the release - people would have reacted very differently to that suggestion. I find this very curious, and it doesn't seem very "healthy" to me.

But maybe I should care less about all of that stuff and more about what I want to do, which is changing my relation to photography. Thank you for making me think about that. (although, somehow, I doubt your intention was to help me)

[dane.dawg]

The d500 looks amazing!
I will be buying one in May once any kinks are worked out.

[atiratha]

And when I thought DSLRs cannot really surprise anymore, along came Nikon. The D500? I just want to point out two things - 100% coverage viewfinder with 1.0x magnification? That is just crazy and I hope Pentax follows with this trend soon. Also - Auto AF fine tune? If they got the implementation right, should be revolutionary. Basically what I do manually (switch to live view, compare focus, adjust AF fine tune), so if they implement it right and have enough memory slots for many lenses to be tuned (especially zooms should have at least several positions for tuning).

[Imp]

Is XQD the new chip of the future, eventually replacing SDHC/XC like SDHC replaced Cfast? sounds interesting

[Spodeworld]

Could you post a link? I'm interested

Shooting Impressions: On Assignment With The Nikon D500 and SB-5000 - Photography Gear - ishootshows.com

He talks about the amazing high iso performance and IQ that is incredible for any DSLR, not just a crop sensor one.

[RonHendriks1966]

Is XQD the new chip of the future, eventually replacing SDHC/XC like SDHC replaced Cfast? sounds interesting

Well only D4, D4s, D5 and D500 use it. It's not yet a revolution.

[Fogel70]

And when I thought DSLRs cannot really surprise anymore, along came Nikon. The D500? I just want to point out two things - 100% coverage viewfinder with 1.0x magnification? That is just crazy and I hope Pentax follows with this trend soon.

Pentax K3 II (and all other APS-C DSLR) with 100% 0.95x is not that far behind, but it would be a small improvement going 1.0x.

IMO it's more impressive that Pentax has almost the same quality of the OVF on the cheapest entry level DSLR, compared to the Nikon D500 pro DSLR.

The reason why Nikon went with 100% 1.0x OVF on D500 is to match the specification on Canon 7D mk II.