Forgot Password
Pentax Camera Forums Home
 

Reply
Show Printable Version Search this Thread
01-12-2016, 06:17 PM   #76
Senior Moderator
Loyal Site Supporter
Parallax's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: South Dakota
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 19,332
Thread reopened with change of title.

01-12-2016, 07:41 PM   #77
Pentaxian




Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: North
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 4,706
The title tends towards trolling.

Anyway, lets dissect this :

Small - Really?
Its just a bit shorter a flange distance while having rather large diameters.
The 35/1.4 is a 52mm dia
The 14/2.8 is a 58mm dia
The Pentax 35mm and 15mm offerings are 49mm (you can even share some ND filters)
How often does one use f2.8, trying to dig less DOF out of a FL that will be hard to give less?
Right size for the typical use is what defines the Pentax lenses like the DA15/4 which is small and more typically used stopped down.
Add the long lenses to the fray, and there is no advantage at all in size.



Fast - Ok
Pretty clear advantage of designing from ground up for a system.
However, note how most of the lenses are mostly weighted towards center sharpness.
Again, a trade off between size and more even sharpness which the user has to determine which is preferred.


Cheaper - Really?
B&H prices
DA15ltd - $546
XF14/2.8 - $899 (oh.. and you need to buy a hood)

DA35/2.4 - $107
XF35/2 - $399

DA70/2.4ltd - $372
XF60/2.4 (macro) - $649

There isn't any size advantage (in fact Fuji options clearly loose in size) past 35mm options.


The CDAF can be more accurate but Fuji X series cameras have been an over promise in AF capability to me since the XP1.
Every iteration or FW update, they claim better AF, but in the end, from my own real world use indoors, I've never found that its better (still very 'CDAF' with the shifting confirmation )
01-13-2016, 04:51 PM   #78
Senior Member




Join Date: May 2008
Location: Hanover, NH
Posts: 157
Original Poster
My personal followup and initial report: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/311733-syst...-40-100-a.html

I'll continue with more Pentax impressions there, and here I'll add some comparisons with more Fuji details.

What's pleasantly surprising about Pentax lenses compared to Fuji...

-- Pentax lenses come with pouches. Fuji's ones come at most with a cloth bag.
-- Fuji lenses have apertures in constant motion. This is by design. When you close a lid, which I always do, the apertures open wide. When you remove the lid, they close down, but the sensor takes a second or two to darken. If you are using an optical viewfinder, such as X-Pro1 or X100*, you may not notice it and if you take a photo right after removing lens cap it may come out washed out. I like the fact I can remove a lid from Pentax lens and take a photo at once in any light.
-- Fuji lenses are focused by wire, and they've became very very good at it. The focus ring feels natural and even better than some manual ones. Fuji focusing is now sometimes as fast or faster than some of the screwdrive Pentax lenses. Since my original X100 in 2011, when focus by wire was quirky, the progress is huge.
-- Fuji autofocus on X-T1 is often as good as Pentax on K-3II, and sometimes faster, but sometimes slower. Firmware 4.00 on X-T1 was a gigantic leap forward.

Tomorrow Fuji will launch what looks like X-Pro2, and we'll see how that one compares!

A+

Last edited by braver; 01-14-2016 at 04:07 PM.
01-15-2016, 02:12 PM   #79
Senior Member




Join Date: May 2008
Location: Hanover, NH
Posts: 157
Original Poster
OK, Fujifilm launched X-Pro2 yesterday, and it is also a 24MP camera with even faster AF. The 100-400mm was also released. I'll see how the systems compare when I get it, but in all cases both are complementary and fun to use.

01-15-2016, 03:55 PM   #80
Veteran Member




Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Texas
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,164
That X-pro2 looks interesting, but out of my budget. It was, however, interesting to see everyone over on the Fuji forums so excited last night. I imagine there will be a bit of excitement going on here in a couple of months, as well.
01-15-2016, 03:55 PM   #81
Veteran Member
bertwert's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Golden, BC
Posts: 15,173
QuoteOriginally posted by TinaS Quote
I imagine there will be a bit of excitement going on here in a couple of months, as well.
Just a little bit.....
01-15-2016, 04:00 PM   #82
Veteran Member




Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Texas
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,164
That one will be out of my budget too, but I'm excited for everyone who waited so long for it.

01-15-2016, 04:01 PM - 1 Like   #83
Veteran Member
bertwert's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Golden, BC
Posts: 15,173
QuoteOriginally posted by TinaS Quote
That one will be out of my budget too, but I'm excited for everyone who waited so long for it.
Yep, same here
01-16-2016, 03:03 PM   #84
Veteran Member
skankin_giant's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Deepest Darkest Cornwall
Posts: 513
Can't see me upgrading anytime soon, had my X-Pro since 2013 and not seen the need to change it yet. The only thing I would want is some weather sealing, but as none of my lenses are there is little or no point in upgrading for me.

Cheers, Steve
01-16-2016, 04:49 PM - 1 Like   #85
Forum Member
Jan67's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Prague
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 84
QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
What is the Fuji version of the A-400 like?
Fujinon XF 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR.
Well, it has AF...
01-16-2016, 09:25 PM   #86
Pentaxian
Zygonyx's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Ile de France
Posts: 4,033
It will, once released
01-16-2016, 09:27 PM - 1 Like   #87
Site Supporter
Site Supporter
Digitalis's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 11,694
QuoteOriginally posted by Jan67 Quote
Fujinon XF 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR.
a slow as hell consumer lens apparently, no competition for the A*400mm f/2.8 ED [IF]
01-17-2016, 12:55 AM   #88
Pentaxian
Zygonyx's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Ile de France
Posts: 4,033
Pentax should really upgrade that last one
01-17-2016, 04:14 AM   #89
Loyal Site Supporter
Loyal Site Supporter




Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Gladys, Virginia
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 27,652
Takes Fuji a long time to update their bodies, doesn't it? Sony, Pentax, and Nikon have had 24 megapixel sensor bodies for a long time. Sony NEX 7 came out at the end of 2011. I'm sure the X Pro 2 will be a nice body and will upgrade capabilities from where the 1 was at.
01-17-2016, 06:38 AM   #90
Pentaxian




Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Montréal QC
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 2,351
QuoteOriginally posted by Jan67 Quote
Fujinon XF 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR.
Well, it has AF...
It's more aimed against the 150-450mm F/4.5-5.6, IMHO. Lose 50mm, shave 700g - not a bad trade-off, IMHO. Looks like a nice lens to me, and launching at a lower price point than the 150-450mm did, though the Pentax is actually a bit less expensive right now, and Fuji don't seem to lower their prices much with time...
Reply

Bookmarks
  • Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook
  • Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter
  • Submit Thread to Digg Digg
Tags - Make this thread easier to find by adding keywords to it!
8-16mm, af, angle, camera, couple, deals, equivalent, f/2.8, fa, ff, folks, fuji, fuji aps-c lenses, k-3ii, k-mount, lens, lenses, pentax, pentax lens, pm, primes, quality, sigma, slr lens, system, vs
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What do you get if you want a small and cheap flash for K-3ii? Conqueror Pentax DSLR Discussion 78 01-18-2016 07:22 AM
Do most camera's af systems struggle with fast lenses? stillshot2 Pentax DSLR Discussion 18 04-30-2014 12:27 AM
K-3 or switching systems (sony, fuji)? kever Pentax DSLR Discussion 15 01-23-2014 07:58 AM
How do we compare Dynamic Range and Color Depth on picture? rustynail925 Pentax DSLR Discussion 3 02-13-2012 07:07 AM
How do today's lenses compare to older ones in average quality? PPPPPP42 Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 31 02-13-2012 04:58 AM



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:23 PM. | See also: NikonForums.com, CanonForums.com part of our network of photo forums!
  • Red (Default)
  • Green
  • Gray
  • Dark
  • Dark Yellow
  • Dark Blue
  • Old Red
  • Old Green
  • Old Gray
  • Dial-Up Style
Hello! It's great to see you back on the forum! Have you considered joining the community?
register
Creating a FREE ACCOUNT takes under a minute, removes ads, and lets you post! [Dismiss]
Top