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Nicolas06 · 03-31-2016, 03:52 PM - **1 Like**

So with each new camera, the max iso go higher and we have people saying wow 51200 iso !!! wow 409600 isos wow, wow !

And we have the manufacturers explaining how they got fantastic shots at very high isos, that it was hard but thanks to their engineers dedication they managed to improve things dramatically.

I mean look that was we go with max K3 iso setting: 51200:

K3 51200 iso:

But obviously Nikon has a very fancy sport/action camera that work so well their engineer managed 3 millions iso. It look soooo great:

High ISO into the stratosphere: Nikon D5 First Shots are here, including ISO 3,280,000!

So next time you see incredible iso numbers, remember this 3 millions iso picture... This is just garbage and marketing propaganda... what count is not the max setting but the actual performance as setting you would consider to use...

Last edited by Nicolas06; 03-31-2016 at 03:58 PM.

**BigMackCam** · 03-31-2016, 03:59 PM

I agree with what you're saying - mostly - but looking at Imaging Resource comparison of the D5 vs D4S, I'm impressed with the D5 at 102,400. Still lots of useful detail in there for a 100% crop

kenspo · 03-31-2016, 04:04 PM - **1 Like**

I tested D5 today. Looked just as good at 51 200 as K-3 II does at 3200! Its useless at 800 and below though..So I'm glad i will use K-1

wildman · 03-31-2016, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

marketing propaganda

That's redundant...
..."marketing", by definition, is propaganda.

**BigMackCam** · 03-31-2016, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by kenspo

I tested D5 today. Looked just as good at 51 200 as K-3 II does at 3200! Its useless at 800 and below though..So I'm glad i will use K-1

Really?!? Wow... that is impressive!

kenspo · 03-31-2016, 04:13 PM

Yes..i was like "WTF??", so impressive by Nikon there. But as i said, its useless on lower ISO..Nikon says that too..So its not for studio, landscape etc. Its made for sport, action, concerts etc.

starjedi · 03-31-2016, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by kenspo

Yes..i was like "WTF??", so impressive by Nikon there. But as i said, its useless on lower ISO..Nikon says that too..So its not for studio, landscape etc. Its made for sport, action, concerts etc.

Apparently Nikon tweaks the sensor sacrifice the low ISO performance and shifted the focus to high ISO(mainly indoor activities)... If simply compare the physical aspect between D5 and K3, 2.5 stops advantage at most if the ISO invariance is perserved like K3.

**BigMackCam** · 03-31-2016, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by kenspo

Yes..i was like "WTF??", so impressive by Nikon there. But as i said, its useless on lower ISO..Nikon says that too..So its not for studio, landscape etc. Its made for sport, action, concerts etc.

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing this. When you say it's not good on lower ISO, how does that manifest itself?

Adam · 03-31-2016, 04:39 PM

The top two ISOs seem to be for bragging rights only. Rest are legit I'd say

TaoMaas · 03-31-2016, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by wildman

That's redundant...
..."marketing", by definition, is propaganda.

SO true! And I say this as someone who worked in marketing for a number of years and was married to a VP of marketing. The marketing from any camera company is only going to give you the rosiest picture. Yes...marketing IS propaganda!

**BigMackCam** · 03-31-2016, 05:01 PM

The marketing from any ~~camera~~ company is only going to give you the rosiest picture.

HudsonShooter · 03-31-2016, 05:32 PM

you have to test each camera to see what isos will work for you.
usually the top # is junk for image quality.

**sholtzma** · 03-31-2016, 06:07 PM - **1 Like**

Wait! I've already paid for my marketing propaganda. Are you saying that I can send it back for a refund??

Sliver-Surfer · 03-31-2016, 06:40 PM

to be fair 51200 looks very good on the D5

here's K3

kerttamm · 03-31-2016, 09:54 PM

I'm still waiting when some manufacturer figures out that temperature is important and straps a peltier to their sensor to drag it down to -50C for better high ISO shots

They would need pretty beefy battery pack though for it to keep shooting more than 5 minutes per charge

03-31-2016, 03:52 PM - 1 Like	#1
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Stop buying marketing propaganda ! So with each new camera, the max iso go higher and we have people saying wow 51200 iso !!! wow 409600 isos wow, wow ! And we have the manufacturers explaining how they got fantastic shots at very high isos, that it was hard but thanks to their engineers dedication they managed to improve things dramatically. I mean look that was we go with max K3 iso setting: 51200: K3 51200 iso: But obviously Nikon has a very fancy sport/action camera that work so well their engineer managed 3 millions iso. It look soooo great: High ISO into the stratosphere: Nikon D5 First Shots are here, including ISO 3,280,000! So next time you see incredible iso numbers, remember this 3 millions iso picture... This is just garbage and marketing propaganda... what count is not the max setting but the actual performance as setting you would consider to use... Last edited by Nicolas06; 03-31-2016 at 03:58 PM.

03-31-2016, 04:39 PM	#9
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,608	The top two ISOs seem to be for bragging rights only. Rest are legit I'd say Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

03-31-2016, 06:40 PM	#14
Sliver-Surfer Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,558	to be fair 51200 looks very good on the D5 here's K3 Last edited by Sliver-Surfer; 03-31-2016 at 06:58 PM.

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03-31-2016, 03:59 PM	#2
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,704	I agree with what you're saying - mostly - but looking at Imaging Resource comparison of the D5 vs D4S, I'm impressed with the D5 at 102,400. Still lots of useful detail in there for a 100% crop

03-31-2016, 04:04 PM - 1 Like	#3
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	I tested D5 today. Looked just as good at 51 200 as K-3 II does at 3200! Its useless at 800 and below though..So I'm glad i will use K-1

03-31-2016, 04:05 PM	#4
wildman Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flyover America Posts: 4,469	Originally posted by Nicolas06 marketing propaganda That's redundant... ..."marketing", by definition, is propaganda.

03-31-2016, 04:06 PM	#5
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,704	Originally posted by kenspo I tested D5 today. Looked just as good at 51 200 as K-3 II does at 3200! Its useless at 800 and below though..So I'm glad i will use K-1 Really?!? Wow... that is impressive!

03-31-2016, 04:13 PM	#6
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Yes..i was like "WTF??", so impressive by Nikon there. But as i said, its useless on lower ISO..Nikon says that too..So its not for studio, landscape etc. Its made for sport, action, concerts etc.

03-31-2016, 04:22 PM	#7
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932	Originally posted by kenspo Yes..i was like "WTF??", so impressive by Nikon there. But as i said, its useless on lower ISO..Nikon says that too..So its not for studio, landscape etc. Its made for sport, action, concerts etc. Apparently Nikon tweaks the sensor sacrifice the low ISO performance and shifted the focus to high ISO(mainly indoor activities)... If simply compare the physical aspect between D5 and K3, 2.5 stops advantage at most if the ISO invariance is perserved like K3.

03-31-2016, 04:29 PM	#8
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,704	Originally posted by kenspo Yes..i was like "WTF??", so impressive by Nikon there. But as i said, its useless on lower ISO..Nikon says that too..So its not for studio, landscape etc. Its made for sport, action, concerts etc. Very interesting! Thanks for sharing this. When you say it's not good on lower ISO, how does that manifest itself?

03-31-2016, 04:57 PM	#10
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by wildman That's redundant... ..."marketing", by definition, is propaganda. SO true! And I say this as someone who worked in marketing for a number of years and was married to a VP of marketing. The marketing from any camera company is only going to give you the rosiest picture. Yes...marketing IS propaganda!

03-31-2016, 05:01 PM	#11
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,704	The marketing from any ~~camera~~ company is only going to give you the rosiest picture.

03-31-2016, 05:32 PM	#12
HudsonShooter Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 108	you have to test each camera to see what isos will work for you. usually the top # is junk for image quality.

03-31-2016, 06:07 PM - 1 Like	#13
sholtzma Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Salisbury, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,043	Wait! I've already paid for my marketing propaganda. Are you saying that I can send it back for a refund??

03-31-2016, 09:54 PM	#15
kerttamm New Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 11	I'm still waiting when some manufacturer figures out that temperature is important and straps a peltier to their sensor to drag it down to -50C for better high ISO shots They would need pretty beefy battery pack though for it to keep shooting more than 5 minutes per charge

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