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06-17-2016, 06:15 AM   #1
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DXO has tested the D500 and the 80D

and I compared them with my K-5

Canon EOS 80D vs Nikon D500 vs Pentax K-5


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So we can expect a review of the K1 in 2018 or so. Maybe.
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not if it breaks the mold like the 645z
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Wow. Canon finally got out of 2008 with that sensor. Its a shame you can only get it in an 80d but not a 7dii.

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It is interesting, but I think the sensor in the D500 is more interesting than the one in the D5, with respect to preformance.
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D500 confirmed as trash ...

In true Nikon style, probably best to wait for the D510.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
In true Nikon style, probably best to wait for the D510.
Maybe not? Oil prices are rising and it maybe best to go for the first model.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
D500 confirmed as trash ...

In true Nikon style, probably best to wait for the D510.
I thought the D500 looked pretty good, how is it confirmed as trash?

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I thought the D500 looked pretty good, how is it confirmed as trash?
I was teasing.

But it is less awesome than it should be, particularly at higher ISO's, where a camera like the D7200 does just as well, for less than half the price.

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The D-500 is more about AF and Shooting speed. It's a camera for action. The IQ is fine though.
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My understanding (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ) was that the D500 was, best APS-c frame rate, (10 fps) and best APS-c tracking and AF. None of those things are included in the DxO measurements. I briefly considered this camera but the DR less than my K-5 and roughly comparable to my K-3 was the deal breaker for me. It's just not worth twice the price of a K-3ii, especially for a guy like me who does landscape, and wants the extra resolution and colour reproduction afforded by pixel shift.

But if all I did was action, I'd snap one of these up in a heartbeat.

All of the advantages of APS-c with two of the serious disadvantages, AF and FPS addressed.
Unfortunately it leaves one serious APS-c disadvantage un-adressed, clean performance at high ISO to help keep shutter speeds up.

I hope the next Pentax is all that, with built in SR and pixels shift and increased DR, and noiseless images up to at least 3200 ISO. Most of the time I'm functional at up to 1600 ISO, but one more stop would absolutely freeze those humming birds in flight.

But compared to your K-5, even my K-3 is a little lacking on the DxO charts, but i rarely use it. Other factors besides DxO scores come into play.

Compared to the K-3 and D500, Canon has fallen behind in the FPS category. 5 FPS in AIS. That definitely goes against common wisdom. That's not the way Canon tells the story.

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The D-500 is more about AF and Shooting speed.
Indeed. It's a highly evolved action camera. But has also been built as a tough, long-awaited D300 replacement, for rough use in photo-journalism etc.

I'd certainly like one, but not for ~10% more than the price of a K-1 (which is what the D500 sells for in Australia).
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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
My understanding (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ) was that the D500 was, best APS-c frame rate, (10 fps) and best APS-c tracking and AF. None of those things are included in the DxO measurements. I briefly considered this camera but the DR less than my K-5 and roughly comparable to my K-3 was the deal breaker for me. It's just not worth twice the price of a K-3ii, especially for a guy like me who does landscape, and wants the extra resolution and colour reproduction afforded by pixel shift.

But if all I did was action, I'd snap one of these up in a heartbeat.

All of the advantages of APS-c with two of the serious disadvantages, AF and FPS addressed.
Unfortunately it leaves one serious APS-c disadvantage un-adressed, clean performance at high ISO to help keep shutter speeds up.

I hope the next Pentax is all that, with built in SR and pixels shift and increased DR, and noiseless images up to at least 3200 ISO. Most of the time I'm functional at up to 1600 ISO, but one more stop would absolutely freeze those humming birds in flight.

But compared to your K-5, even my K-3 is a little lacking on the DxO charts, but i rarely use it. Other factors besides DxO scores come into play.

Compared to the K-3 and D500, Canon has fallen behind in the FPS category. 5 FPS in AIS. That definitely goes against common wisdom. That's not the way Canon tells the story.

Hopefully Pentax does improve upon the AF-c performance of their K-3ii replacement...

To be fair, the D500 is still brand new. I'll wait for the D510 to release and see how the price drops over a 6 month wait period.
Then the D500 might be comparable to the K-3ii. (In price)

I shoot more action than anything else so I'll be watching it closely!
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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
My understanding (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ) was that the D500 was, best APS-c frame rate, (10 fps) and best APS-c tracking and AF. None of those things are included in the DxO measurements. I briefly considered this camera but the DR less than my K-5 and roughly comparable to my K-3 was the deal breaker for me. It's just not worth twice the price of a K-3ii, especially for a guy like me who does landscape, and wants the extra resolution and colour reproduction afforded by pixel shift.
You might have got some incorrect info. The D500 compares extremely well with the D750 which up until the D5 was king of the high ISO hill. And walks all over the K-3.
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You might have got some incorrect info. The D500 compares extremely well with the D750 which up until the D5 was king of the high ISO hill. And walks all over the K-3.
Since I shoot almost all landscape at 100 or 200 ISO, mostly 100, I would disagree. Look how far down the charts the DR us of all those cameras, are by the time you hit 800 ISO, and the K-3 is right on the D500 line at 100 ISO, marginally below the D750, maybe a stop, which is exactly what and APS-c camera is supposed to be all other things being equal.

Personally I consider all stops below 12 EV DR pretty much unusable. The D500 and d750 give you an extra half stop to 2/3s stop ISO. That's hardly worth writing home about forget about "And walks all over the K-3." No one give a crap about how a D750 or D500 beats a K-3 between 7 and 11 EV DR. DR of that nature is great for action shots, but is crappy for landscapes.

At maximum dynamic range they are within a stop of each other, and 1 stop can be real tough to even notice when the top is 14.

Personally I thought the D3s and A7s were tops of the high ISO hill. Give them a look, you might have to revise your analysis.
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