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06-23-2016, 03:14 AM   #91
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It looks very impressive. Given that I have no 645 glass, if I ever step up to MF there is now a viable choice.

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i like the clear modern design ... but i hate EVFs!
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Zeiss are not cheap lenses.
Old Zeiss glass can be found at reasonable prices. It isn't impossible to find a vintage Sonnar 50mm f/1.5 in decent condition with a price tag circa $500 - nothing compared to the cost of new Leica lenses.

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my a7r attempts to show the effect of the f60m flash in wysiwyg mode in the evf, before the shot is taken
That is a simulation: not WYSIWYG. All the camera is doing is showing you a representation of what you will get - ROWYWG...which doesn't have the same ring to it.

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It's not correct example. I see X1D as compact camera for travel.
Leica M cameras are excellent travel cameras. I think they are a reasonable model of usage for the Hasselblad X1D system.

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It's not studio camera for pro-photographers.
So you're suggesting the target demographic hasselblad is after are the well-heeled amateurs?

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To put other MF lenses with adaptor will kill the idea of X1D.
I think Mamiya 7 lenses would perform rather well on it. As I recall the Sektor 43mm f/4.5 was widely considered to be one of the best MF lenses ever produced. It may even be possible to use Leica S mount lenses on this camera - that would be sure to cause a stir.

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So you're suggesting the target demographic hasselblad is after are the well-heeled amateurs?
Well let's say you are David Beckham and want a nice camera for some snapshots, but don't want to log around to much kilograms. ........ This might be the best choice, since you want something different then all others. I think we will see this camera very Quick in airport shops next to the business lounge next to the Leica.

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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
let's say you are David Beckham and want a nice camera for some snapshots
If I earned as much money as he does kicking a ball around, I wouldn't care much if I made such ill advised photographic choices.



..on the other hand for all we know those lunar cameras could become collectors items.
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If I earned as much money as he does kicking a ball around, I wouldn't care much if I made such ill advised photographic choices.



..on the other hand for all we know those lunar cameras could become collectors items.
Grap it while it's there....

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David Beckham and want a nice camera for some snapshots
His 16 year old son is the one most likely to be in the market for camera gear.
Although he seems to be doing quite well with the Canon gear he has already:

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QuoteOriginally posted by Digitalis Quote
That is a simulation: not WYSIWYG. All the camera is doing is showing you a representation of what you will get - ROWYWG...which doesn't have the same ring to it..
lol... true, it's limited to showing an approximate degree of exposure, but modeling lights are hardly representative of what the shot is going to look like, do they even have enough power to overcome the outdoors sun?

point was that 1/2000th limitation is not good, as you saw he was experimenting with hss fill at 1/1600th on a cloudy day, how much shutter would he need on a sunny day to darken the background?

you could probably cheat it on this hassy with nd filters, i suppose, but it'll come at the expense of longer recharge times/higher battery drain on the flash, and probably no modeling light capability(?).
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point was that 1/2000th limitation is not good, as you saw he was experimenting with hss fill at 1/1600th on a cloudy day,
1/2000th is better than 1/250th. I'd say ISO100 f/5.6 1/1250th should be enough to darken ambient light even at high noon here in Australia , while still providing shallow enough DOF for those unimaginative dullards who fawn over such a look.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Digitalis Quote
1/2000th is better than 1/250th. I'd say ISO100 f/5.6 1/1250th should be enough to darken ambient light even at high noon here in Australia , while still providing shallow enough DOF for those unimaginative dullards who fawn over such a look.
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... while still providing shallow enough DOF for those unimaginative dullards who fawn over such a look.
Let me take note of that. Let's see... only imaginative and creative people shoot with lots of DOF and everyone else is a loser. Got it, thanks.
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Let me take note of that. Let's see... only imaginative and creative people shoot with lots of DOF and everyone else is a loser. Got it, thanks.
Yes...that is coming from a guy who has 25 years experience working with studio strobes, so you know he knows what he is talking about.
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Yes...that is coming from a guy who has 25 years experience working with studio strobes, so you know he knows what he is talking about.
I have 30 years working with strobes too. And 35 years of developing my own BW film.
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I don't think Digitalis was aiming at you Tuco. I think he was referring to those who shoot only for the bokeh, over and above any compositional aims. I don't think many would accuse you of that.
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I don't think Digitalis was aiming at you Tuco.
I wasn't taking aim at anyone in particular, "Unimaginative Dullard" isn't a phrase i'd associate with Tuco in any case.

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I think he was referring to those who shoot only for the bokeh, over and above any compositional aims.
Precisely. And I have seen many photographers do exactly this over the years...ugh.

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that is coming from a guy who has 25 years experience working with studio strobes
15 years, not 25. I'm nearly 32, I wasn't that into photography when I was 7...I was probably more into my hot wheels toy cars,motorbikes, computer gaming and target shooting with my air rifle at that age. I have to admit I find it a little disconcerting that I have difficulty remembering the things I enjoyed when my years on this earth were measured in the single digits.

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