Sony A9 Officially Announced Today

**BigMackCam** · 06-01-2017, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by photoptimist

I'm not anti-Sony although I've hated the software on every Sony device that has come into my life and get the sense that others have issues with their user interfaces, too.

As a Sony camera user, I'm sort-of-pro-Sony, and even I have serious issues with their user interface

Mind you, I haven't tried an A9... but I don't hold out hope that it's been radically transformed...

normhead · 06-01-2017, 03:25 PM - **1 Like**

The best hope for this camera for most of us is that in a few years the technology bleeds down to more affordable models.

photoptimist · 06-01-2017, 03:37 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BigMackCam

As a Sony camera user, I'm sort-of-pro-Sony, and even I have serious issues with their user interface

Mind you, I haven't tried an A9... but I don't hold out hope that it's been radically transformed...

LOL! You are a better person than I!

My limited tolerance for bad user interfaces is entirely exhausted by using Microsoft products at work and life is too short for hobbies that suck.

surfar · 06-01-2017, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by normhead

in a few years the technology bleeds down to more affordable models.

$$$ony may just make it exclusive to $$$ony?

---------- Post added 06-02-17 at 09:46 AM ----------

Originally posted by BigMackCam

As a Sony camera user, I'm sort-of-pro-Sony, and even I have serious issues with their user interface Mind you, I haven't tried an A9... but I don't hold out hope that it's been radically transformed...

From all reports they have made the menu a bit more user friendly....Battery life counts have shown many thousands as well!....EVF improved immensely but its slow(frame rate) compared to the OMD M2!

Last edited by surfar; 06-01-2017 at 03:46 PM.

**BigMackCam** · 06-01-2017, 04:04 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

The best hope for this camera for most of us is that in a few years the technology bleeds down to more affordable models.

Amen to that, Norm

The A9 is too rich for me, and some of what it offers is way beyond what I'd use now or in the near future. Other aspects, though, I could see being interesting to me in a reduced / lower-cost offering at some stage...

Originally posted by photoptimist

LOL! You are a better person than I!

My limited tolerance for bad user interfaces is entirely exhausted by using Microsoft products at work and life is too short for hobbies that suck.

My route into Sony was unusual

I bought one of the last brand new Hasselblad HV kits, fully aware that it was a heavier-built Sony A99, but also aware that it would be the only digital Hasselblad I'd be likely to afford in the coming decade, and at a price that was similar to the Sony-badged model here in the UK. As such, the UI was secondary to me - something I knew I'd just have to learn to live with, and that's what I did. It's as bad as everyone says, but I love the camera and can work with it. And, having got comfortable with it, I subsequently bought an A7II to use with adapted lenses, despite the clunky, over-complicated UI, as it works really well for that purpose. But... the UI isn't great, there's no getting around the fact

surfar · 06-01-2017, 04:07 PM - **1 Like**

A9 overheating is NOT a general issue: seems to affect few faulty units only. - sonyalpharumors sonyalpharumors

---------- Post added 06-02-17 at 10:10 AM ----------

Originally posted by BigMackCam

The A9 is too rich for me

Yes, lets hope its a K-01 and sells at HALF PRICE by the end of the year, when some of the LONG glass should be available!

**BigMackCam** · 06-01-2017, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by surfar

From all reports they have made the menu a bit more user friendly....Battery life counts have shown many thousands as well!....EVF improved immensely but its slow(frame rate) compared to the OMD M2!

I'm probably an undemanding user... I love the EVF on both my Sonyblad HV and A7II, and it works amazingly well for my purposes. I'd love to try the latest Olympus EVF, though. Sounds impressive...

**BigMackCam** · 06-01-2017, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by surfar

when some of the LONG glass should be available!

I'll just add here that I use the Tamron 150-600 in A-amount with my HV and adapted on my A7Ii. On the latter, it becomes somewhat limited to A99-style AF point coverage and functionality, but it works exceptionally well...

Sliver-Surfer · 06-01-2017, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by photoptimist

The A9 cannot:

1) Show you the full DR or color gamut of the scene -- it's limited to the DR of the sensor, VF algorithms, and EVF display.

2) Be comfortable to use for the 30% to 80% of the population that are affected by motion sickness.

---

I'm not anti-Sony although I've hated the software on every Sony device that has come into my life and get the sense that others have issues with their user interfaces, too.

1) I said that in the quote you quoted. Here is the chart vs 2 brand cameras that are close to $1500 more than the A9

photoptimist · 06-01-2017, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Sliver-Surfer

1) I said that in the quote you quoted. Here is the chart vs 2 brand cameras that are close to $1500 more than the A9

Why are they comparing the A9 to cameras with such poor sensors?

Jeff Lopez · 06-01-2017, 08:08 PM - **1 Like**

Its seems that Microsoft pulled out a contender..curvy sensors..

Ian Stuart Forsyth · 06-01-2017, 09:31 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by photoptimist

Yet for other photographers of less frantic scenery, the A9 offers nothing but higher costs, worse DR, worse ergonomics, and eyestrain/headaches. For them, the A9 doesn't even nibble their DSLR's lens caps let alone kill their DSLR

It depends on where you want the DR, a camera like the A9 has the DR in the range for what it was intended, fast action needing fast shutter speeds. If you take a look at the higher iso's the place you need for actions it has nearly the same gain in DR as FF to cropped over what we see in high DR base iso cameras

Sliver-Surfer · 06-01-2017, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by photoptimist

Why are they comparing the A9 to cameras with such poor sensors?

How about compared to K1? ...It is rare that you get to shoot a long lens at speeds where you can go as low as 100-200iso I know at high noon I can't shoot below 1/500 iso 400 at f5.6 with my 500mm

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JohnBee · 06-01-2017, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Sliver-Surfer

How about compared to K1? ...It is rare that you get to shoot a long lens at speeds where you can go as low as 100-200iso I know at high noon I can't shoot below 1/500 iso 400 at f5.6 with my 500mm
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This is rather interesting point, as I have rarely(if ever) shot with a telephoto at low ISO.
In addition to this, the higher frame rates required for action photography would also affect the need for lower ISO shooting as well. Which is rather interesting as I've never contemplated such factors as a none sports shooter personally.

PS. I've never heard of anyone considering the D5 as having a poor sensor. Though I get the feeling this may also be in due part to not being sports shooter as well. Whereas I believe the D5 is considered to be a highly respected sports camera for the most part.

camyum · 06-02-2017, 12:52 AM

recaptioning all those lame comparisons, i just wanted to mention,
that i am really happy no sedan driver would ever like to drive a ferrari
and that no pentaxian ever ate a burger at McDonalds.

(I hope that doesnt count for bad sarcasm, since its meant as a "broad hint")

06-01-2017, 10:05 PM	#328
Sliver-Surfer Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,558	Originally posted by photoptimist Why are they comparing the A9 to cameras with such poor sensors? How about compared to K1? ...It is rare that you get to shoot a long lens at speeds where you can go as low as 100-200iso I know at high noon I can't shoot below 1/500 iso 400 at f5.6 with my 500mm [/IMG] Last edited by Sliver-Surfer; 06-01-2017 at 10:27 PM.

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06-01-2017, 03:19 PM	#316
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by photoptimist I'm not anti-Sony although I've hated the software on every Sony device that has come into my life and get the sense that others have issues with their user interfaces, too. As a Sony camera user, I'm sort-of-pro-Sony, and even I have serious issues with their user interface Mind you, I haven't tried an A9... but I don't hold out hope that it's been radically transformed...

06-01-2017, 03:25 PM - 1 Like	#317
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	The best hope for this camera for most of us is that in a few years the technology bleeds down to more affordable models.

06-01-2017, 03:37 PM - 1 Like	#318
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,122	Originally posted by BigMackCam As a Sony camera user, I'm sort-of-pro-Sony, and even I have serious issues with their user interface Mind you, I haven't tried an A9... but I don't hold out hope that it's been radically transformed... LOL! You are a better person than I! My limited tolerance for bad user interfaces is entirely exhausted by using Microsoft products at work and life is too short for hobbies that suck.

06-01-2017, 03:40 PM	#319
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by normhead in a few years the technology bleeds down to more affordable models. $$$ony may just make it exclusive to $$$ony? ---------- Post added 06-02-17 at 09:46 AM ---------- Originally posted by BigMackCam As a Sony camera user, I'm sort-of-pro-Sony, and even I have serious issues with their user interface Mind you, I haven't tried an A9... but I don't hold out hope that it's been radically transformed... From all reports they have made the menu a bit more user friendly....Battery life counts have shown many thousands as well!....EVF improved immensely but its slow(frame rate) compared to the OMD M2! Last edited by surfar; 06-01-2017 at 03:46 PM.

06-01-2017, 04:04 PM - 1 Like	#320
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by normhead The best hope for this camera for most of us is that in a few years the technology bleeds down to more affordable models. Amen to that, Norm The A9 is too rich for me, and some of what it offers is way beyond what I'd use now or in the near future. Other aspects, though, I could see being interesting to me in a reduced / lower-cost offering at some stage... Originally posted by photoptimist LOL! You are a better person than I! My limited tolerance for bad user interfaces is entirely exhausted by using Microsoft products at work and life is too short for hobbies that suck. My route into Sony was unusual I bought one of the last brand new Hasselblad HV kits, fully aware that it was a heavier-built Sony A99, but also aware that it would be the only digital Hasselblad I'd be likely to afford in the coming decade, and at a price that was similar to the Sony-badged model here in the UK. As such, the UI was secondary to me - something I knew I'd just have to learn to live with, and that's what I did. It's as bad as everyone says, but I love the camera and can work with it. And, having got comfortable with it, I subsequently bought an A7II to use with adapted lenses, despite the clunky, over-complicated UI, as it works really well for that purpose. But... the UI isn't great, there's no getting around the fact

06-01-2017, 04:07 PM - 1 Like	#321
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	A9 overheating is NOT a general issue: seems to affect few faulty units only. - sonyalpharumors sonyalpharumors ---------- Post added 06-02-17 at 10:10 AM ---------- Originally posted by BigMackCam The A9 is too rich for me Yes, lets hope its a K-01 and sells at HALF PRICE by the end of the year, when some of the LONG glass should be available!

06-01-2017, 04:14 PM	#322
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by surfar From all reports they have made the menu a bit more user friendly....Battery life counts have shown many thousands as well!....EVF improved immensely but its slow(frame rate) compared to the OMD M2! I'm probably an undemanding user... I love the EVF on both my Sonyblad HV and A7II, and it works amazingly well for my purposes. I'd love to try the latest Olympus EVF, though. Sounds impressive...

06-01-2017, 04:19 PM	#323
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by surfar when some of the LONG glass should be available! I'll just add here that I use the Tamron 150-600 in A-amount with my HV and adapted on my A7Ii. On the latter, it becomes somewhat limited to A99-style AF point coverage and functionality, but it works exceptionally well...

06-01-2017, 05:15 PM	#324
Sliver-Surfer Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,558	Originally posted by photoptimist The A9 cannot: 1) Show you the full DR or color gamut of the scene -- it's limited to the DR of the sensor, VF algorithms, and EVF display. 2) Be comfortable to use for the 30% to 80% of the population that are affected by motion sickness. --- I'm not anti-Sony although I've hated the software on every Sony device that has come into my life and get the sense that others have issues with their user interfaces, too. 1) I said that in the quote you quoted. Here is the chart vs 2 brand cameras that are close to $1500 more than the A9

06-01-2017, 07:24 PM	#325
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,122	Originally posted by Sliver-Surfer 1) I said that in the quote you quoted. Here is the chart vs 2 brand cameras that are close to $1500 more than the A9 Why are they comparing the A9 to cameras with such poor sensors?

06-01-2017, 08:08 PM - 1 Like	#326
Jeff Lopez Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 531	Its seems that Microsoft pulled out a contender..curvy sensors..

06-01-2017, 09:31 PM - 1 Like	#327
Ian Stuart Forsyth Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,531	Originally posted by photoptimist Yet for other photographers of less frantic scenery, the A9 offers nothing but higher costs, worse DR, worse ergonomics, and eyestrain/headaches. For them, the A9 doesn't even nibble their DSLR's lens caps let alone kill their DSLR It depends on where you want the DR, a camera like the A9 has the DR in the range for what it was intended, fast action needing fast shutter speeds. If you take a look at the higher iso's the place you need for actions it has nearly the same gain in DR as FF to cropped over what we see in high DR base iso cameras

06-01-2017, 11:07 PM	#329
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by Sliver-Surfer How about compared to K1? ...It is rare that you get to shoot a long lens at speeds where you can go as low as 100-200iso I know at high noon I can't shoot below 1/500 iso 400 at f5.6 with my 500mm [/IMG] This is rather interesting point, as I have rarely(if ever) shot with a telephoto at low ISO. In addition to this, the higher frame rates required for action photography would also affect the need for lower ISO shooting as well. Which is rather interesting as I've never contemplated such factors as a none sports shooter personally. PS. I've never heard of anyone considering the D5 as having a poor sensor. Though I get the feeling this may also be in due part to not being sports shooter as well. Whereas I believe the D5 is considered to be a highly respected sports camera for the most part.

06-02-2017, 12:52 AM	#330
camyum Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 126	recaptioning all those lame comparisons, i just wanted to mention, that i am really happy no sedan driver would ever like to drive a ferrari and that no pentaxian ever ate a burger at McDonalds. (I hope that doesnt count for bad sarcasm, since its meant as a "broad hint")