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08-23-2017, 08:52 PM   #136
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QuoteOriginally posted by biz-engineer Quote
If I understand correctly, there is no DR advantage over a D800/D810 when shooting on a tripod, but the DR of the D500 (and likely D850) is better at higher ISO, better suited for improving image quality of dynamic shots, and same DR at lowest ISO.


This graph is using data from D810 and D800 in the 1.5 crop mode so we can get an idea on how the sensors perform when compared to the D500, as we can see the D500 has less DR as the D810 and about the same DR as the D800. I think at this point in time with sensor technology the base DR that can be captured has a lot to do with how large of an exposure that can be stored without clipping this is why we see more DR with the D810 as it can shoot at a base iso of 64.

With dual technology we kind of have the best of both worlds, very good base iso DR and when we don't need the well depth a decrease in read noise above iso 400.

If the new rumors are true the D850 may not use the tech in the D500 and be something not seen in any FF Nikon DLSR and may be better than what is found in the even the D500

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it's $3299 or €3799 it's 45.7mp sensor has bsi-cmos so not just the same pixels as the D500


https://www.dpreview.com/news/4840194993/nikon-d850-offers-45-7mp-bsi-fx-for...ursts-4k-video
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AUD $5399 ...

Here, that's more than two K-1's in price.
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AUD $5399 ...

Here, that's more than two K-1's in price.
Wow that's really inflated for you guys down there. However, while it is out of my price range, one does get a lot of camera for that 5399 AUD -- 45.7 MP backlit sensor, the D5's entire AF system, -4 EV center focus point, ISO 32 expanded / ISO 64 native, 7 fps standard / 9 fps with grip (45.7 MP too!!), 51 RAW frame buffer, full 4k video, 120 fps 1080p, .75x mag OVF..

What an exciting camera. I am interested it seeing what Canon does, if anything. I mean the 5d IV is priced the same here in the US and is lesser featured. I don't expect Pentax to do anything due to the pricing as you mention.. haha.

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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
AUD $5399 ...

Here, that's more than two K-1's in price.
In Romania prices are:

Pentax K1 - 2.620$
Canon 5Ds R - 4.244$
Nikon D850 - 4.360$
Nikon D810 - 3.339$

I expect D850 to be around 3.900-4.000$ at black friday. This will be a camera that is going to sell very well. I was tempted to include 5D Mark IV as a competition for D850, but 5Ds R is the camera from Canon that competes with D850. Looking at D850 specs, 5Ds R is way overpriced, despite the fact that is a very good camera for studio work.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Dan Rentea Quote
In Romania prices are:

Pentax K1 - 2.620$
Canon 5Ds R - 4.244$
Nikon D850 - 4.360$
Nikon D810 - 3.339$

I expect D850 to be around 3.900-4.000$ at black friday. This will be a camera that is going to sell very well. I was tempted to include 5D Mark IV as a competition for D850, but 5Ds R is the camera from Canon that competes with D850. Looking at D850 specs, 5Ds R is way overpriced, despite the fact that is a very good camera for studio work.
It's price is going to limit it's sales. But, it looks like it will be the best "everything" camera to date. Living with a K-3 at 8 fps, i suspect it's 7-9 FPS will be fantastic for most shooters, the Nikon AF module and 41 MP will give it a meaningful crop sensor size for long glass, and it should have excellent detail for landscape based on the projected resolution.

The only thing holding it back will be the price and possibly sensor performance issues like the 51 MP Canons.
I'm sure it will become the new D800 among the "we have more money than we know what to do with" crowd.

I expect my CEO clients will be toting them next year.

Us Pentax shooters are so rare, I actually know more D800-D810 shooters who are likely to love this camera than I know Pentax shooters if we are talking personal acquaintances and not internet acquaintances. I know a few guys who prefer the high res look of their D810s to faster FPS and focusing cameras. Were I a camera salesman, I know about 5 guys I'd call right away to see if they were interested in pre-orders.

But I'm a "I couldn't have afforded a K-1 without some surprise money coming my way." guy. Much as I like the specs, a D850 is out of the question.

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In order to get the 9fps you not only need the grip, but you have to use a different battery (D5 battery) which means you have to buy the charger for the D5 battery. You add $1,000 to the price if you need 9fps. You can use the D810/D850 battery, but you wont get the frame rate boost.

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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
It's price is going to limit it's sales. But, it looks like it will be the best "everything" camera to date. Living with a K-3 at 8 fps, i suspect it's 7-9 FPS will be fantastic for most shooters, the Nikon AF module and 41 MP will give it a meaningful crop sensor size for long glass, and it should have excellent detail for landscape based on the projected resolution.

The only thing holding it back will be the price and possibly sensor performance issues like the 51 MP Canons.
I'm sure it will become the new D800 among the "we have more money than we know what to do with" crowd.

I expect my CEO clients will be toting them next year.

Us Pentax shooters are so rare, I actually know more D800-D810 shooters who are likely to love this camera than I know Pentax shooters if we are talking personal acquaintances and not internet acquaintances. I know a few guys who prefer the high res look of their D810s to faster FPS and focusing cameras. Were I a camera salesman, I know about 5 guys I'd call right away to see if they were interested in pre-orders.

But I'm a "I couldn't have afforded a K-1 without some surprise money coming my way." guy. Much as I like the specs, a D850 is out of the question.
I admit that I wouldn't spend 3700$ on 5D Mark IV and not because I can't afford it. I just can't justify the price for it the same way I can't justify the 6D Mark II's price compared to K1's price. I bought my 6D new at half of its price, 2 years after it was launched. I have the possibility to buy in the next few weeks a new 5D Mark IV for 2400$. This money I can justify for this camera. D850 looks impressive on paper and I'm sure it will produce quality files. But I'm also certain that with 2000$ that I save by shopping smart I can buy a very good lens (the upcoming 85mm f1.4L IS lens) and be very happy for the next 4 years.

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The D850 is the most impressive camera I won't buy
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The D850 is the most impressive camera I won't buy
Ya, that... ^
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The D850 is the most impressive camera I won't buy
Nope, for me that would be the 645Z.
If I had that kinda $$$, that is where I would go
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Nope, for me that would be the 645Z.
If I had that kinda $$$, that is where I would go
Another old guy talked me out of it. It needs a heavier tripod, there's not shake reduction, a lot more work than a K-1, and I'm already finding the K-1 a bit heavy. I think my 645 days may be past. I think I shoot way too much on the fly to be a 645 guy. I can't believe how much I like my XG-1. It's not a good camera in terms of ease of use, but it's great in terms of ease of carry.
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If I had that kinda $$$, that is where I would go
If I had that kinda $$$, I'd take a K-3ii somewhere like Iceland and/or Belize and/or even NYC...
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The D850 looks really impressive and I think it will really strengthen Nikon's position in the high-res FF market. Hopefully Pentax's response will contain at least half of the fancy additions of the D850 (not counting the sensor of course) as it is quite a big technological jump (5 ish years now!).

Pretty tempting but also expensive!

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The D850 looks really impressive
When new cameras models are released, they always look impressive. Five years later they collect dust on the shelves of second hand gear that can be had for 1K. And , when the subject is there and the light is right a nice image is a nice image, even with an old CCD sensor. Getting a fast lens gives more photographic opportunities than upgrading from a 36Mp CMOS sensor to a 45Mp CMOS sensor, regardless the brand.
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