Nikon D850: New FX-format digital SLR camera coming soon.

**interested_observer** · 07-24-2017, 10:42 PM

.... of course my new K1 arrived last week.

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**Fontan** · 07-24-2017, 11:49 PM

Looks like a very nice camera. But I cannot help but feel like Nikon is becoming more and more like an one trick pony. I am not sure if they are diversified enough to survive.

D1N0 · 07-25-2017, 01:55 AM

It won't beat the K-1 because it will have no pixel shift resolution No IBIS GPS will be optional and you have to buy a dedicated astro tracer. it will be faster, have better AF and better video though. It will probably have a 46mp sensor upscaled from the D500 sensor (same pixels but more of them).

Sandy Hancock · 07-25-2017, 02:40 AM - **4 Likes**

The video is short on details, but Nikon knows their market and I'm sure the new camera will get lots of interest.

But it won't beat the K-1 because it doesn't fit my lenses

**Rondec** · 07-25-2017, 03:31 AM

I'm sure it will be nice. Probably the biggest thing it will do is improve video performance of the D810. The real question is can it improve still photography performance of the D810. My guess would be that Nikon uses the 42 megapixel sensor that is in the A7r II, maybe with a few tweaks of their own. That sensor is better than the D810 at high iso, but at low iso, the D810 is still the best out there.

I doubt that many folks would buy a D850 mainly to shoot video and Nikon really has to bring some real improvements to the table to get current D810 users to upgrade to the next gen camera.

D1N0 · 07-25-2017, 03:51 AM

Nikon really needs a better 4k implementation. cropped 4k sucks in my view. Get more processing power in there and downsample a full sensor image.

beholder3 · 07-25-2017, 04:24 AM

Yawn. 8k timelapse. WTH Nikon? We had 4k timelapse for years now even in sub $1000 cameras. And I bet there will be enough people who would describe that as a "gimmick".

photoptimist · 07-25-2017, 05:05 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by D1N0

Nikon really needs a better 4k implementation. cropped 4k sucks in my view. Get more processing power in there and downsample a full sensor image.

This is not Nikon's fault and cannot be solved with more processing power.

Larger-format, larger-megapixel sensors are simply ill-suited to video. Smaller sensor chips with lower pixel counts will always offer better video performance.

(P.S. Money & bulk can solve any engineering problem. You could get a RED Weapon 8k camera with a 35 MPix sensor that is bigger than 35mm format. But it's a $50,000 camera that is quite heavy and the batteries weigh 1.4 lbs each)

D1N0 · 07-25-2017, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by photoptimist

Larger-format, larger-megapixel sensors are simply ill-suited to video.

Sony does it. on the a7 RII (and A6300/6500)

Na Horuk · 07-25-2017, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

It won't beat the K-1 because it will have no pixel shift resolution No IBIS GPS will be optional and you have to buy a dedicated astro tracer. it will be faster, have better AF and better video though. It will probably have a 46mp sensor upscaled from the D500 sensor (same pixels but more of them).

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

The video is short on details, but Nikon knows their market and I'm sure the new camera will get lots of interest.

This sums it up well. Its gonna be a decent camera, but mostly its role is to make Nikon seem relevant. "Look what it can do!" "If only I had that camera, I could do the same!" "Oh well, guess I'll buy the D3000 model since I can't afford the D800" "lol Pentax doesn't even have an astrophoto video with dramatic music"

Na Horuk · 07-25-2017, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

It won't beat the K-1 because it will have no pixel shift resolution No IBIS GPS will be optional and you have to buy a dedicated astro tracer. it will be faster, have better AF and better video though. It will probably have a 46mp sensor upscaled from the D500 sensor (same pixels but more of them).

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

The video is short on details, but Nikon knows their market and I'm sure the new camera will get lots of interest.

This sums it up well. Its gonna be a decent camera, but mostly its role is to make Nikon seem relevant. "Look what it can do!" "If only I had that camera, I could do the same!" "Oh well, guess I'll buy the D3000 model since I can't afford the D800" "lol Pentax doesn't even have an astrophoto video with dramatic music"

**Rondec** · 07-25-2017, 05:41 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by D1N0

Sony does it. on the a7 RII (and A6300/6500)

The issue is whether it is worth compromising low iso performance for the better video performance you see with the A7r II. Could you get iso 50 on the A7r II sensor? Inquiring minds want to know...

beholder3 · 07-25-2017, 06:09 AM - **3 Likes**

I guess this quote sums it up real well:

"This is quite an unusual announcement for Nikon. I smell panic following shrinking market share."

and this one as well:

"Ask any husband, if all you gave your wife on your anniversary was a card that said "I got you something AWESOME! ...I'll tell you more at a later date." ...you'd be in the dog house until that "later date" came."

**Rondec** · 07-25-2017, 06:21 AM

The biggest thing to me is that camera companies need to change. Do not release a new camera because it is time per your schedule (every 18 months for APS-C, every 3 years for full frame). Release a camera because you have real improvements over old gear that will make a difference in real world images. For me personally, that means more than a boost in megapixels or frame rates. But maybe that's what we've come down to at this point.

If Pentax released a K1 tomorrow with 7 fps and 45 megapixels, but everything else about the same, it wouldn't interest me at all.

**boriscleto** · 07-25-2017, 06:54 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by beholder3

I guess this quote sums it up real well:

"This is quite an unusual announcement for Nikon. I smell panic following shrinking market share."

and this one as well:

"Ask any husband, if all you gave your wife on your anniversary was a card that said "I got you something AWESOME! ...I'll tell you more at a later date." ...you'd be in the dog house until that "later date" came."

But in the K-3 successor thread some are asking Ricoh to do just that...

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07-24-2017, 11:49 PM	#2
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	Looks like a very nice camera. But I cannot help but feel like Nikon is becoming more and more like an one trick pony. I am not sure if they are diversified enough to survive.

07-25-2017, 01:55 AM	#3
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	It won't beat the K-1 because it will have no pixel shift resolution No IBIS GPS will be optional and you have to buy a dedicated astro tracer. it will be faster, have better AF and better video though. It will probably have a 46mp sensor upscaled from the D500 sensor (same pixels but more of them).

07-25-2017, 02:40 AM - 4 Likes	#4
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	The video is short on details, but Nikon knows their market and I'm sure the new camera will get lots of interest. But it won't beat the K-1 because it doesn't fit my lenses

07-25-2017, 03:31 AM	#5
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	I'm sure it will be nice. Probably the biggest thing it will do is improve video performance of the D810. The real question is can it improve still photography performance of the D810. My guess would be that Nikon uses the 42 megapixel sensor that is in the A7r II, maybe with a few tweaks of their own. That sensor is better than the D810 at high iso, but at low iso, the D810 is still the best out there. I doubt that many folks would buy a D850 mainly to shoot video and Nikon really has to bring some real improvements to the table to get current D810 users to upgrade to the next gen camera.

07-25-2017, 03:51 AM	#6
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Nikon really needs a better 4k implementation. cropped 4k sucks in my view. Get more processing power in there and downsample a full sensor image.

07-25-2017, 04:24 AM	#7
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Yawn. 8k timelapse. WTH Nikon? We had 4k timelapse for years now even in sub $1000 cameras. And I bet there will be enough people who would describe that as a "gimmick".

07-25-2017, 05:05 AM - 2 Likes	#8
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,122	Originally posted by D1N0 Nikon really needs a better 4k implementation. cropped 4k sucks in my view. Get more processing power in there and downsample a full sensor image. This is not Nikon's fault and cannot be solved with more processing power. Larger-format, larger-megapixel sensors are simply ill-suited to video. Smaller sensor chips with lower pixel counts will always offer better video performance. (P.S. Money & bulk can solve any engineering problem. You could get a RED Weapon 8k camera with a 35 MPix sensor that is bigger than 35mm format. But it's a $50,000 camera that is quite heavy and the batteries weigh 1.4 lbs each)

07-25-2017, 05:18 AM	#9
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by photoptimist Larger-format, larger-megapixel sensors are simply ill-suited to video. Sony does it. on the a7 RII (and A6300/6500)

07-25-2017, 05:19 AM	#10
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Originally posted by D1N0 It won't beat the K-1 because it will have no pixel shift resolution No IBIS GPS will be optional and you have to buy a dedicated astro tracer. it will be faster, have better AF and better video though. It will probably have a 46mp sensor upscaled from the D500 sensor (same pixels but more of them). Originally posted by Sandy Hancock The video is short on details, but Nikon knows their market and I'm sure the new camera will get lots of interest. This sums it up well. Its gonna be a decent camera, but mostly its role is to make Nikon seem relevant. "Look what it can do!" "If only I had that camera, I could do the same!" "Oh well, guess I'll buy the D3000 model since I can't afford the D800" "lol Pentax doesn't even have an astrophoto video with dramatic music"

07-25-2017, 05:19 AM	#11
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Originally posted by D1N0 It won't beat the K-1 because it will have no pixel shift resolution No IBIS GPS will be optional and you have to buy a dedicated astro tracer. it will be faster, have better AF and better video though. It will probably have a 46mp sensor upscaled from the D500 sensor (same pixels but more of them). Originally posted by Sandy Hancock The video is short on details, but Nikon knows their market and I'm sure the new camera will get lots of interest. This sums it up well. Its gonna be a decent camera, but mostly its role is to make Nikon seem relevant. "Look what it can do!" "If only I had that camera, I could do the same!" "Oh well, guess I'll buy the D3000 model since I can't afford the D800" "lol Pentax doesn't even have an astrophoto video with dramatic music"

07-25-2017, 05:41 AM - 2 Likes	#12
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by D1N0 Sony does it. on the a7 RII (and A6300/6500) The issue is whether it is worth compromising low iso performance for the better video performance you see with the A7r II. Could you get iso 50 on the A7r II sensor? Inquiring minds want to know...

07-25-2017, 06:09 AM - 3 Likes	#13
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	I guess this quote sums it up real well: "This is quite an unusual announcement for Nikon. I smell panic following shrinking market share." and this one as well: "Ask any husband, if all you gave your wife on your anniversary was a card that said "I got you something AWESOME! ...I'll tell you more at a later date." ...you'd be in the dog house until that "later date" came."

07-25-2017, 06:21 AM	#14
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	The biggest thing to me is that camera companies need to change. Do not release a new camera because it is time per your schedule (every 18 months for APS-C, every 3 years for full frame). Release a camera because you have real improvements over old gear that will make a difference in real world images. For me personally, that means more than a boost in megapixels or frame rates. But maybe that's what we've come down to at this point. If Pentax released a K1 tomorrow with 7 fps and 45 megapixels, but everything else about the same, it wouldn't interest me at all.

07-25-2017, 06:54 AM - 1 Like	#15
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by beholder3 I guess this quote sums it up real well: "This is quite an unusual announcement for Nikon. I smell panic following shrinking market share." and this one as well: "Ask any husband, if all you gave your wife on your anniversary was a card that said "I got you something AWESOME! ...I'll tell you more at a later date." ...you'd be in the dog house until that "later date" came." But in the K-3 successor thread some are asking Ricoh to do just that...