[Kunzite]

Don't let the Theta be the only successful Ricoh camera!

Did the K-1 somehow disappear?

[surfar]

Didnt you see it?

[awscreo]

Honestly, I feel with that competion from both Canon, Nikon and Sony Pentax has a problem. Pentax FF lenses are globally as expensive as the competition but the body isn't the same at all and if you are to invest in a system now, getting pro lenses you want a body that can follow. Pentax doesn't provide that and is thus the worst choice to make with Canon and Sony.

Versus Nikon, the D850 is better on every aspect, there no really a case when the Pentax would do significantly better and many where it is significantly worse: Lens echosystem, AF performance, video, burst rate all put Pentax to shame.

I agee, granted we have SR and pixel shift. But is it really better? 45MP at iso 64 all the time or pixel shift on completely still subjects ? The differences in pixel and iso from the D850 mean the D850 is going to get the better quality most of the time and that only when doing pixel shift the K1 is going to be - maybe - a bit better... SR is an asset only vs non stabilized teles and legacy lenses... Not really that significant when most lenses are now stabilized and that Sony, bodies have SR too.

Either Pentax change strategy and become again a value brand, ensuring that we get a buch of affordable zooms and prime in the FF line up like a 28-200, a 70-300, a 150-600, 24-120 plus 35, 50, 85 primes maybe with an FF body in the sub 1500$ range or they really invest into R&D to get something comparable with finally decent AF, decent burst rate and some 4K compatibility.

Ideally, of course they would do both, exactly like the competition is doing with all segments covered. The problem is that today, non of the segment are properly covered and it show on the bottom line.

Today more so than anytime before I feel like Pentax is lost in its management and investment decision and that they'll become even more niche in the best case or simply leave the table silently by just not releasing new product and stopping production... slowly. A bit like they did with the Q.

Pentax ! Please act, please innovate ! Don't let the Theta be the only successful Ricoh camera!

Haters gonna hate.

[rawr]

I feel with that competion from both Canon, Nikon and Sony Pentax has a problem

If it's a problem, it's certainly not a new one. Pentax have been facing those rivals for years.

In terms of tech, I think Ricoh engineers and managers are very well aware of what their Japanese friends/ drinking buddies are doing. Like they have in the past, they will produce new products that help them remain competitive.

But while Pentax does a reasonable job staying aligned with the camera tech of it's rivals, it is unreasonable to expect one company to match the combined output of all three of those other large companies in term of new gear, third-party eco-system support, and release cycles.

[disconnekt]

If it's a problem, it's certainly not a new one. Pentax have been facing those rivals for years.

In terms of tech, I think Ricoh engineers and managers are very well aware of what their Japanese friends/ drinking buddies are doing. Like they have in the past, they will produce new products that help them remain competitive.

But while Pentax does a reasonable job staying aligned with the camera tech of it's rivals, it is unreasonable to expect one company to match the combined output of all three of those other large companies in term of new gear, third-party eco-system support, and release cycles.

And to match a rivals new camera spec-for-spec (which they'll still get criticism from people) and keep their dslr's prices low (in which they'll lose money in the long run).

[biz-engineer]

D850 is better on every aspect, there no really a case when the Pentax would do significantly better and many where it is significantly worse: Lens echosystem, AF performance, video, burst rate all put Pentax to shame.

Yes, it's also a newer camera model. Pentax K1 is the camera that was delayed 1 year on top of being started too late. K1 is good for the money, it is the cheapest DSLR body that features D810 sensor and weather sealed build.

Either Pentax change strategy and become again a value brand, ensuring that we get a buch of affordable zooms and prime in the FF line up like a 28-200, a 70-300, a 150-600, 24-120 plus 35, 50, 85 primes maybe with an FF

That will be if they decide that FF is a new long term product line. But if the K1 was an experiment like the K-01 and KS-1 were, then it not good at all. I'm not concerned that the Pentax division will want to roll-out full frame lenses, but you know what can happen in the private sector, if the CEO says "No" to management to Pentax division, that roadmap is not going to happen.

[surfar]

Versus Nikon, the D850 is better on every aspect

Whats the PixelShift like on the Nikon?

[rawr]

Whats the PixelShift like on the Nikon?

And GPS ... Plus the K-1 shutter is rated for 300k actuations, D850 only 200k.

Nikon has clearly cheaped out on a few things with the D850.

[surfar]

Plus the K-1 shutter is rated for 300k actuations

This was one of the main reasons i purchased the K-1.

100k in FF...100k in 1:1...100k in crop...very versatile!

[Dan Rentea]

Yes, it's also a newer camera model. Pentax K1 is the camera that was delayed 1 year on top of being started too late. K1 is good for the money, it is the cheapest DSLR body that features D810 sensor and weather sealed build.

Yes, K1 is the cheapest DSLR with a very capable sensor and with weather sealing. But how it will compare to Nikon D850 with Tamron lenses? A comparation should be interesting because Nikon D850 with:
- Tamron 15-30mm f2.8
- Tamron 24-70mm f2.8 G2 (the new model)
- Tamron 70-200mm f2.8 G2 (the new model)

costs 8910$ in my country, while Pentax K1 with equivalent lenses costs 8450$. D850 on paper looks excelent and has also a complete system behind it. In my opinion, Pentax needs to release as fast as possible a few lenses because K1's popularity it's starting to be less visible than it was 6-9 months ago.

[surfar]

- Tamron 15-30mm f2.8
- Tamron 24-70mm f2.8 G2 (the new model)
- Tamron 70-200mm f2.8 G2 (the new model

Yes Dan,these are cheaper than pentax equivalents...hows their seals?

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Nikon has clearly cheaped out on a few things with the D850.

I wonder if they will subsidise the extra space on the computers drive that will be needed to cope with the 45mp Raws?Mind you those Pixel shifted images are not on the small size either!

[Ian Stuart Forsyth]

I agee, granted we have SR and pixel shift. But is it really better? 45MP at iso 64 all the time or pixel shift on completely still subjects ?

You have the ability to use photo stacking on completely still subject with the D850

[D1N0]

You have the ability to use photo stacking on completely still subject with the D850

Essentially it is a focus bracketing feature. You still have to stack the images using external software. So it is a time saving feature.

[Dan Rentea]

Yes Dan,these are cheaper than pentax equivalents...hows their seals?[COLOR="Silver"]

The G2 versions of the Tamron lenses looks pretty well covered in terms of weather sealing. It may not be at the level of Pentax lenses, but I'm sure it can handle just fine in most common shooting conditions. It's not like we shoot 99% of our time in storms. And I would rather spend 50$ or 60$ on a good rain cover than risk damaging a 4.000$ combo, since neither Nikon, Pentax, Sony, Canon, Olympus will not cover the water damage on warranty.

[surfar]

Ok, that looks reasonable...i knew there was some WR on the high end Tamrons. Thanks for that illustration.