$$$$$ony A7iii

Sliver-Surfer · 03-08-2018, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Culture

If I was to buy the A7III I think will use it with three lenses that are below 700g. It will be nice to see how my Samyang 85 f1.4 will do on that.

Easily managed by handling large setups by the lens predominately and letting the adapter focus the camera.

**clackers** · 03-08-2018, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by surfar

and thats why M/L are producing positive sales figures.

I read that in January they declined even more than DSLRs ...

surfar · 03-08-2018, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by clackers

I read that in January they declined even more than DSLRs ...

Yes, buyers were waiting for GH5s...XH-1....A7iii and the new $$$ony thats announced soon.

photoptimist · 03-08-2018, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Yes, buyers were waiting for GH5s...XH-1....A7iii and the new $$$ony thats announced soon.

If they built better cameras in the first place, mirrorless buyers wouldn't wouldn't to wait for replacements so often.

surfar · 03-08-2018, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by photoptimist

buyers wouldn't wouldn't to wait for replacements so often

Yes, no ones waiting for the K3ii replacement...

**clackers** · 03-08-2018, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Yes, buyers were waiting for GH5s...XH-1....A7iii and the new $$$ony thats announced soon.

I think you're going to have to try harder than that, Surfar!

Sales of those will be negligible in statistical terms. They're premium products.

surfar · 03-08-2018, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by clackers

They're premium products.

They certainly are....eeny meeny mighty moe,...NO,think i'll wait and see what pops up later in the year...ha ha

Originally posted by clackers

Sales

Seem to be going quite well according to preorder numbers and early adopter reports.

hadi · 03-08-2018, 04:33 PM

i'm a lil confused with sigma lenses for sony.
sigma already has 1 135mm lens that works with an adapter on sony. great.
now they are getting a new lens without the need for the adapter? i thought it was the old lens they are adding the adapter into and releasing it?

also, Manny Ortiz, in one of his videos showed a sony adapter that allows 'ANY' manual focus lens to act like an autofocus lens. any idea if that lens will work with samyang/rokinon lenses too? sure, the adapter may not be 100% accurate, and it may be a lil slow. but the throw on samyang lenses is LONG and manual focusing on 1.4-2.8 is a challenge

**clackers** · 03-08-2018, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by surfar

T
Seem to be going quite well according to preorder numbers and early adopter reports.

Your numbers (have you got them?) won't add up, Surfar.

As beholder3 reports:

January CIPA figures show that the industry still hasn't seen the worst of it.

Shipments of DSLR units in January 2018 versus January 2017 (worldwide): -17,4%
Shipments of mirrorless units in January 2018 versus January 2017 (worldwide): -22,4%

Fewer and fewer customers.

Mirrorless shrinking was worst in Japan (-27,4%) and Europe (-30,2%). Lenses worldwide down by -10,1%

surfar · 03-08-2018, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by clackers

Your numbers (have you got them?) won't add up, Surfar.

Have a look at the thread that shows the figures for the last 5-6 years...its down here in the dungeon, monthly figures...well,they can fluctuate(which ways the wind blowing today)...monthlys dont indicate any trend...

---------- Post added 03-09-18 at 11:19 AM ----------

Originally posted by clackers

Your numbers

Were a mid range Fuji body and an entry level Olympus body in 2017

Entry level FF Pentax in 2016(possibly upgraded for A$700 in 2018)

Prior to those 2 years, i just cant remember....used gear doesnt count!

**clackers** · 03-08-2018, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Were a mid range Fuji body and an entry level Olympus body in 2017

Entry level FF Pentax in 2016(possibly upgraded for A$700 in 2018)

Prior to those 2 years, i just cant remember....used gear doesnt count!

(Laughs)

Not your *personal* numbers, Surfar ... your numbers showing that 22 percent of all mirrorless sales worldwide are equal to preorders for these top of the line MILCs.

surfar · 03-08-2018, 05:36 PM

DSLR versus Mirrorless - PentaxForums.com

Theres some trending figures here...

Originally posted by clackers

Not your *personal* numbers,

Please be specific then Claka,my numbers are not indicative of the market though...ha ha

However...IF,last years CIPA numbers are indicative(may just be a random year) then M/L is growing at a reasonable rate...

AND i'll not be counting the K-1ii upgrade in my personals(thats if i spend the $$$).

photoptimist · 03-08-2018, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by surfar

DSLR versus Mirrorless - PentaxForums.com

Theres some trending figures here...

Please be specific then Claka,my numbers are not indicative of the market though...ha ha

However...IF,last years CIPA numbers are indicative(may just be a random year) then M/L is growing at a reasonable rate...

AND i'll not be counting the K-1ii upgrade in my personals(thats if i spend the $$$).

Hmmm... Your infographic shows unit sales of mirrorless basically flat for 4 years straight and then a single one year bump in 2017. And now the January 2018 data shows mirrorless slumping back into pre-2017 sales levels. It's not much of a trend.

And it's really hard to believe the "DSLRs are dead" chanting when they still outsell mirrorless by almost 2:1 despite 8 years of Sony flinging e-Mount cameras at the market.

I know some people love mirrorless for various reasons. And yet the market data shows that more people love DSLRs for various other reasons.

And even if you've convinced yourself that mirrorless grew in the past, there's literally always an "end" in every "trend". Eager extrapolators always get it wrong.

**clackers** · 03-08-2018, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by surfar

However...IF,last years CIPA numbers are indicative

No, in post 67, you told us you had "preorder numbers."

That's a huge claim.

surfar · 03-08-2018, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by photoptimist

our infographic shows unit sales

Of Dslrs declining rapidly and M/L market share growing at a reasonable rate.

Originally posted by photoptimist

now the January 2018 data shows mirrorless slumping back into pre-2017 sales levels

Oh dear, i suppose M/L people are well enough informed to know that the new tech was/is coming and its EXTREMELY good and they didnt buy some old models.

Originally posted by photoptimist

even if you've convinced yourself that mirrorless grew in the past

People that can use a calculator can see by the figures over the last 5 years of sales of ILCs that M/L is the growing market every single year for the last 5.DSLR had 100%..now its less than 2/3rds...Why do you think CaNik are about to enter the FF mirrorless sector?

---------- Post added 03-09-18 at 12:52 PM ----------

Originally posted by clackers

No, in post 67, you told us you had "preorder numbers."

NO NO NO, you got that WRONG...why dont YOU look at the preorder ratings on the order sites in the US.Last time i looked there was an unreleased model on top...

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03-08-2018, 08:23 AM	#61
Sliver-Surfer Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,558	Originally posted by Culture If I was to buy the A7III I think will use it with three lenses that are below 700g. It will be nice to see how my Samyang 85 f1.4 will do on that. Easily managed by handling large setups by the lens predominately and letting the adapter focus the camera.

03-08-2018, 12:27 PM	#62
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by surfar and thats why M/L are producing positive sales figures. I read that in January they declined even more than DSLRs ...

03-08-2018, 01:49 PM	#63
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by clackers I read that in January they declined even more than DSLRs ... Yes, buyers were waiting for GH5s...XH-1....A7iii and the new $$$ony thats announced soon.

03-08-2018, 01:56 PM	#64
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,126	Originally posted by surfar Yes, buyers were waiting for GH5s...XH-1....A7iii and the new $$$ony thats announced soon. If they built better cameras in the first place, mirrorless buyers wouldn't wouldn't to wait for replacements so often.

03-08-2018, 02:18 PM	#65
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by photoptimist buyers wouldn't wouldn't to wait for replacements so often Yes, no ones waiting for the K3ii replacement...

03-08-2018, 02:21 PM	#66
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by surfar Yes, buyers were waiting for GH5s...XH-1....A7iii and the new $$$ony thats announced soon. I think you're going to have to try harder than that, Surfar! Sales of those will be negligible in statistical terms. They're premium products.

03-08-2018, 02:32 PM	#67
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by clackers They're premium products. They certainly are....eeny meeny mighty moe,...NO,think i'll wait and see what pops up later in the year...ha ha Originally posted by clackers Sales Seem to be going quite well according to preorder numbers and early adopter reports.

03-08-2018, 04:33 PM	#68
hadi Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mississauga, Ontario Posts: 563	i'm a lil confused with sigma lenses for sony. sigma already has 1 135mm lens that works with an adapter on sony. great. now they are getting a new lens without the need for the adapter? i thought it was the old lens they are adding the adapter into and releasing it? also, Manny Ortiz, in one of his videos showed a sony adapter that allows 'ANY' manual focus lens to act like an autofocus lens. any idea if that lens will work with samyang/rokinon lenses too? sure, the adapter may not be 100% accurate, and it may be a lil slow. but the throw on samyang lenses is LONG and manual focusing on 1.4-2.8 is a challenge

03-08-2018, 05:04 PM	#69
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by surfar T Seem to be going quite well according to preorder numbers and early adopter reports. Your numbers (have you got them?) won't add up, Surfar. As beholder3 reports: January CIPA figures show that the industry still hasn't seen the worst of it. Shipments of DSLR units in January 2018 versus January 2017 (worldwide): -17,4% Shipments of mirrorless units in January 2018 versus January 2017 (worldwide): -22,4% Fewer and fewer customers. Mirrorless shrinking was worst in Japan (-27,4%) and Europe (-30,2%). Lenses worldwide down by -10,1%

03-08-2018, 05:13 PM	#70
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by clackers Your numbers (have you got them?) won't add up, Surfar. Have a look at the thread that shows the figures for the last 5-6 years...its down here in the dungeon, monthly figures...well,they can fluctuate(which ways the wind blowing today)...monthlys dont indicate any trend... ---------- Post added 03-09-18 at 11:19 AM ---------- Originally posted by clackers Your numbers Were a mid range Fuji body and an entry level Olympus body in 2017 Entry level FF Pentax in 2016(possibly upgraded for A$700 in 2018) Prior to those 2 years, i just cant remember....used gear doesnt count!

03-08-2018, 05:29 PM	#71
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by surfar Were a mid range Fuji body and an entry level Olympus body in 2017 Entry level FF Pentax in 2016(possibly upgraded for A$700 in 2018) Prior to those 2 years, i just cant remember....used gear doesnt count! (Laughs) Not your personal numbers, Surfar ... your numbers showing that 22 percent of all mirrorless sales worldwide are equal to preorders for these top of the line MILCs.

03-08-2018, 05:36 PM	#72
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	DSLR versus Mirrorless - PentaxForums.com Theres some trending figures here... Originally posted by clackers Not your personal numbers, Please be specific then Claka,my numbers are not indicative of the market though...ha ha However...IF,last years CIPA numbers are indicative(may just be a random year) then M/L is growing at a reasonable rate... AND i'll not be counting the K-1ii upgrade in my personals(thats if i spend the $$$).

03-08-2018, 06:17 PM	#73
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,126	Originally posted by surfar DSLR versus Mirrorless - PentaxForums.com Theres some trending figures here... Please be specific then Claka,my numbers are not indicative of the market though...ha ha However...IF,last years CIPA numbers are indicative(may just be a random year) then M/L is growing at a reasonable rate... AND i'll not be counting the K-1ii upgrade in my personals(thats if i spend the $$$). Hmmm... Your infographic shows unit sales of mirrorless basically flat for 4 years straight and then a single one year bump in 2017. And now the January 2018 data shows mirrorless slumping back into pre-2017 sales levels. It's not much of a trend. And it's really hard to believe the "DSLRs are dead" chanting when they still outsell mirrorless by almost 2:1 despite 8 years of Sony flinging e-Mount cameras at the market. I know some people love mirrorless for various reasons. And yet the market data shows that more people love DSLRs for various other reasons. And even if you've convinced yourself that mirrorless grew in the past, there's literally always an "end" in every "trend". Eager extrapolators always get it wrong.

03-08-2018, 06:25 PM	#74
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by surfar However...IF,last years CIPA numbers are indicative No, in post 67, you told us you had "preorder numbers." That's a huge claim.

03-08-2018, 06:43 PM	#75
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by photoptimist our infographic shows unit sales Of Dslrs declining rapidly and M/L market share growing at a reasonable rate. Originally posted by photoptimist now the January 2018 data shows mirrorless slumping back into pre-2017 sales levels Oh dear, i suppose M/L people are well enough informed to know that the new tech was/is coming and its EXTREMELY good and they didnt buy some old models. Originally posted by photoptimist even if you've convinced yourself that mirrorless grew in the past People that can use a calculator can see by the figures over the last 5 years of sales of ILCs that M/L is the growing market every single year for the last 5.DSLR had 100%..now its less than 2/3rds...Why do you think CaNik are about to enter the FF mirrorless sector? ---------- Post added 03-09-18 at 12:52 PM ---------- Originally posted by clackers No, in post 67, you told us you had "preorder numbers." NO NO NO, you got that WRONG...why dont YOU look at the preorder ratings on the order sites in the US.Last time i looked there was an unreleased model on top...