[reh321]

I wonder how long it will be before 3rd party K-mount or E-mount lens adapters become available for the Nikon.

Practicality of E-mount to Z-mount adapter will depend on flange distance of Z-mount. If flange distance of target camera is greater than flange distance of lens, the adapter will require a lens, and that always makes adapter impractical.

[rawr]

Practicality of E-mount to Z-mount adapter will depend on flange distance of Z-mount. If flange distance of target camera is greater than flange distance of lens, the adapter will require a lens, and that always makes adapter impractical.

It will be interesting to see how Nikon play the whole third-party lens and adapter issue.

If I was Nikon, I'd:

- make the lens mount license fee-free;
- work with Sigma and Tamron to make sure that a few of their main 'pro' lenses are ready to go on the new Nikon mount soon after the Nikon mirrorless launches.

I wonder if any other Nikon ecosystem elements will change - for example, will they launch a new hotshoe mount too, like Sony has done multiple times.

[RobA_Oz]

Good post,i bet RobB helped you though!

You will be assimilated...

[beholder3]

For me Sony growth is done . Nikon and Canon will be the dominant player just because the amount of peoples who own them and will stay with the same brand to use their lenses and others accesories.

Canon, yes.

Nikon's user base is shrinking away badly and too small now. It's exactly those $4000 cameras that drives away the broader user base and stop the influx of new ones.

Basically Fuji, Nikon and Sony will fight it out, who is the most competitive of the small players.

Unless you are a very small dedicated niche player, the pure "super price premium" approach is suicide as in photography buyers grow/develop over time and don't jump from $200 smartphone to $4000 ILC.

[Rondec]

It will be interesting to see how Nikon play the whole third-party lens and adapter issue.

If I was Nikon, I'd:

- make the lens mount license fee-free;
- work with Sigma and Tamron to make sure that a few of their main 'pro' lenses are ready to go on the new Nikon mount soon after the Nikon mirrorless launches.

I wonder if any other Nikon ecosystem elements will change - for example, will they launch a new hotshoe mount too, like Sony has done multiple times.

If there is a decent adapter, then by definition Sigma and Tamron lenses that are available to F mount will immediately be available for this one as well. On the other hand, I am pretty sure that Nikon is going to play the long game and try to sell as many of their own lenses as possible. Their goal is not to sell third party lenses for them.

It will be interesting to see how quickly Sigma and Tamron jump on this. It probably depends on camera sales. Sigma and Tamron don't release new K mount lenses because of the small market share Pentax has. Unless Nikon has a lot bigger share of the mirrorless market, they may wait and see for a bit.

[surfar]

Youtu.be

Youtu.be

Such a tease!

[D1N0]

Still from video. Doesn't reveal much more:


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Photorumors jpg has some more info:
Those who still believed in MF or a 43 or 1:1 sensor can now put those thoughts to rest:

Oh never mind it is a photoshop not a pulled image. But it will de fx anyway.

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[RonHendriks1966]

I wonder how long it will be before 3rd party K-mount or E-mount lens adapters become available for the Nikon.

On this note, it will be interesting if Nikon throws their mount specifications open, and makes licensing it fee-free, like Sony did with E-mount.

Sony opens up E-mount specification to lensmakers - CNET

Inquiries and Applications for Disclosure of "E-mount" Basic Specifications

Allowing others to make lenses is one thing. Allowing others to make camera's with the same z-mount would be different. Then Ricoh could step in and make also a fullframe Ricoh Z-1 mirrorless camera.

[RobA_Oz]

Still from video. Doesn't reveal much more:


---------- Post added 09-08-18 at 11:56 ----------

Photorumors jpg has some more info:
Those who still believed in MF or a 43 or 1:1 sensor can now put those thoughts to rest:

Oh never mind it is a photoshop not a pulled image. But it will de fx anyway.

I wonder how accurate that rendering is. If the radial location of the lens contacts is reasonably representative of reality, then a lot of the mount throat area is compromised, if not wasted. Obviously, if the body has IBIS, some allowance for sensor movement has to be made within the image circle, so if the contacts are not as shown, the potential for sensor movement is much greater, but how much would you need? Are they going for more than 5 stops of shake compensation, perhaps?

[reh321]

Canon, yes.

Nikon's user base is shrinking away badly and too small now. It's exactly those $4000 cameras that drives away the broader user base and stop the influx of new ones.

Basically Fuji, Nikon and Sony will fight it out, who is the most competitive of the small players.

Unless you are a very small dedicated niche player, the pure "super price premium" approach is suicide as in photography buyers grow/develop over time and don't jump from $200 smartphone to $4000 ILC.

This is why APS-C will remain important. Despite plea after plea from Pentaxians, who traditionally seem to want premium gear at budget prices, no one has come close to a $1000 FF camera. What everyone needs is a $1000 camera that can use the same lenses used by $4000 camera, so people can make jump without purchasing entirely new kit all at once. What we don't know is whether any of these companies will enable two levels of camera to use same lens mount .... but that is what they need to do.

[rawr]

Still from video. Doesn't reveal much more:

Starting to look like an ugly design.

[photoptimist]

This is why APS-C will remain important. Despite plea after plea from Pentaxians, who traditionally seem to want premium gear at budget prices, no one has come close to a $1000 FF camera. What everyone needs is a $1000 camera that can use the same lenses used by $4000 camera, so people can make jump without purchasing entirely new kit all at once. What we don't know is whether any of these companies will enable two levels of camera to use same lens mount .... but that is what they need to do.

Camera buyers might love the idea of a $1,000 FF camera but that does not mean it's a good idea for the camera makers. Entry level camera can be money losers. It all depends on:

1) the number of lost sales of $4,000 cameras because the $1,000 camera was "good enough."

2) the number of added sales of $4,000 cameras because the $1,000 camera was a stepping stone.

The stepping stone number must be larger than the good enough number. That might be hard to do.

The tricky challenge for the camera maker is in creating an entry level camera that is good enough to make the buyer a fan of the brand but not good enough for their long-term use.

[D1N0]

Are they going for more than 5 stops of shake compensation, perhaps?

More likely it is to accommodate large aperture glass (larger than F1.4), and they needed room for 11 contacts

[surfar]

no one has come close to a $1000 FF camera. What everyone needs is a $1000 camera that can use the same lenses used by $4000 camera

Sony A7 is less than 1000 U$ now,A9 is down to 4200U$.

[RobA_Oz]

More likely it is to accommodate large aperture glass (larger than F1.4), and they needed room for 11 contacts

Possibly so. They weren’t limited by the old layout, though, so they could have incorporated the contacts within the flange area, as with the K-mount, and reduced the overall size of the mount, at least. A case of not thinking outside the circle, perhaps?

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Starting to look like an ugly design.

Well, a bastard child, perhaps. I’ve never found the A7/9 styling to be appealing, but no-one could argue it isn’t functional, unlike its ergonomics.