Nikon mirrorless teaser?

surfar · 08-22-2018, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by mee

CR has this as of two days ago:

Yes,whoever CR are...this Canon announcement has been well known for the last 5-6 weeks

it maybe the M5 mk2...but we dont know YET!

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Dan Rentea · 08-23-2018, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Sure, however who got the money to buy a new system every other year..? I've spent 6 grands 2 years ago on a Pentax full frame system, I'm not going to redo it every two years and I guess a lot of people won't do it either. And look, if I want this Nikon mirrorless am I going to buy F mount glass now? Certainly not. Why would I buy F mount glass knowing that the Z mount will replace it. The only thing I could do, if the get old versions of Nikon F / Canon EF mount glass in order to limit the spending and then buy on of the mirrorless models, but that wouldn't be cheap. So, at the moment, I'm for waiting to see how the Nikon mirrorless system will deploy, and if Pentax offer a lower cost solution in the next couple of years I may still be better off staying with Pentax.

It's not about changing the system every 2 years. It's about having more options for all pockets and preferences. Sony helped here with their agressive releases year after year and Nikon and Canon responded. No one will force you to buy F mount glass if you know that you are going to mirrorless route. There are already 3 lenses in Z mount and another 7 will hit the market in 2019. This means that if you want to go to Nikon mirrorless, by the end of next year you will have already more new lenses than Pentax has for K1.

Each and everyone can decide for himself if his current gear is good enough or he should jump to other brand. As far as I'm concerned, I will pay a premium price for the features that I'm interested in.

rawr · 08-23-2018, 01:30 AM

The hardware is, to me, a little underwhelming: FF mirrorless with USB charging, IBIS, lots of focus points, 4K video, weather sealing.

Nothing new. Sony has already done this. Minus the FF, Panasonic, Olympus and Fuji have done it too.

biz-engineer · 08-23-2018, 01:53 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rawr

The hardware is, to me, a little underwhelming: FF mirrorless with USB charging, IBIS, lots of focus points, 4K video, weather sealing.Nothing new. Sony has already done this. Minus the FF, Panasonic, Olympus and Fuji have done it too.

At the end of the day, it's a camera. When new products are launch, the amount of media splash is such that it looks so fantastic, when you use the camera, after a couple a weeks using it, you are back to square 1: finding the subject, the light, the composition and also how much 3d rendering the glass can give you. But, Sony have made year of fuzzz about mirrorless, so now people want mirrorless, and so, Nikon have to make what people want.

surfar · 08-23-2018, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by rawr

The hardware is, to me, a little underwhelming:

Lol,its a major FAIL....pro body prices and ONE card slot!...330 shots from the battery...$$$ony fixed those complaints with their last 3 bodies.On the plus side,it looks like reasonable ergonomics/menu/weathersealing and it can AF in video,not like the D850.

Originally posted by rawr

Nothing new. Sony has already done this. Minus the FF, Panasonic, Olympus and Fuji have done it too.

After the build up its an anticlimax,not a game changer.They are not Rebuilding Mirrorless(i forget what they said exactly in the launch).Its only another system that is mainly aimed at their user base.

One positive i see is with the shallow and wide mount,there should be plenty of 3rd party smart adapters for plenty of different glass.

D1N0 · 08-23-2018, 02:46 AM

I think it looks good. Don't need all those high specs but is has better ergonomics than the Sony and a nice wide mount. Sony can't widen the E-mount without killing all their so expensively developed glass. That's the law of Handicap of a head start. To go mirrorless when full frame sensors were not yet feasible for the mass market, the mounts were designed too narrow to maximize the size advantages over dslr. Canon also has this problem because they design EF-m narrower than EF. Will they come up with yet a new mount?

surfar · 08-23-2018, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

Canon also has this problem because they design EF-m narrower than EF. Will they come up with yet a new mount?

We may know Sept 4/5,they have an announcement.

**Rondec** · 08-23-2018, 03:09 AM

I just wonder what it offers over the Sony A7r III, which is priced at 3000 body only right now. Dual SD card slots on the Sony versus one XQD slot for the Nikon (not totally sure why Nikon insists on those cards). Most of the other specs look pretty similar although battery life is a bit better for the Sony.

In the long run, Nikon will have some interesting lenses, particularly for those who want to shoot video with really wide aperture lenses, but those days are a bit down the road.

Wasp · 08-23-2018, 03:45 AM

Except for the price, these new Nikons look pretty good, but that is just me being my indigent self. Just the thing to keep current Nikon pros in the stable. Quite a few have bolted over to the Sony paddock already and it was about time to stop the rot.

**ffking** · 08-23-2018, 03:52 AM

I remember being a little underwhelmed by the K-1's specs when first announced. I'm not underwhelmed by its performance.

beholder3 · 08-23-2018, 04:29 AM

As for underwhelming:

Nikon is unable to provide any, even Pentax K10D level autofocus on its brandnew and probaly highly expensive and clunky 50mm f0,95 lens even with its brandnew mount. wtf

Here! new mount! new lens! back to the 1960s!

reh321 · 08-23-2018, 06:58 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Rondec

I just wonder what it offers over the Sony A7r III, which is priced at 3000 body only right now. Dual SD card slots on the Sony versus one XQD slot for the Nikon (not totally sure why Nikon insists on those cards). Most of the other specs look pretty similar although battery life is a bit better for the Sony.

In the long run, Nikon will have some interesting lenses, particularly for those who want to shoot video with really wide aperture lenses, but those days are a bit down the road.

I don't think it needs to offer anything "over Sony". Nikon acted while they are still one of the "big boys"; right now their goal may be to offer something to keep current Nikon users, and good reliable adapter may be the key to that. They don't want to lose user after user as Pentax did during the switch to AF {thats when I went to Canon for twenty years}. It is easier to stay big than to become big. As a college faculty member I heard talk after talk about how much easier it is to retain current students than to recruit new ones.

Kuzma · 08-23-2018, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

I just wonder what it offers over the Sony A7r III, which is priced at 3000 body only right now. Dual SD card slots on the Sony versus one XQD slot for the Nikon (not totally sure why Nikon insists on those cards). Most of the other specs look pretty similar although battery life is a bit better for the Sony.

In the long run, Nikon will have some interesting lenses, particularly for those who want to shoot video with really wide aperture lenses, but those days are a bit down the road.

At least they are now in a race. One of two companies that offer FF mirrorless (Leica with its prices is out of the game).

**Rondec** · 08-23-2018, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by reh321

I don't think it needs to offer anything "over Sony". Nikon acted while they are still one of the "big boys"; right now their goal may be to offer something to keep current Nikon users, and good reliable adapter may be the key to that. They don't want to lose user after user as Pentax did during the switch to AF {thats when I went to Canon for twenty years}. It is easier to stay big than to become big. As a college faculty member I heard talk after talk about how much easier it is to retain current students than to recruit new ones.

My point is that they sell in the marketplace. I offer an original A7's specifications for 2000 dollars thinking that I can make a killing since it only takes 700 dollars to manufacture such a camera, I won't sell many copies, even if the ergonomics are great, because people will see that it is underspecified for its price.

As far as them keeping existing photographers, that remains to be seen. There are Nikon to Sony adapters that allow for auto focus. It remains to be seen if this Nikon adapter allows F Mount lenses to actually function any better on Nikon mirrorless than on Sony mirrorless cameras. If it is equivalent, then people could just as easily buy an A7r and an adapter and save a bundle of money over either of these cameras.

reh321 · 08-23-2018, 07:55 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Rondec

As far as them keeping existing photographers, that remains to be seen. There are Nikon to Sony adapters that allow for auto focus. It remains to be seen if this Nikon adapter allows F Mount lenses to actually function any better on Nikon mirrorless than on Sony mirrorless cameras. If it is equivalent, then people could just as easily buy an A7r and an adapter and save a bundle of money over either of these cameras.

I hear the same sort of thing from Nikon users that I often hear from Pentax users. They'd rather drink hemlock than use Sony - this allows them to use MILC gracefully.

08-23-2018, 04:29 AM	#251
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	no autofocus As for underwhelming: Nikon is unable to provide any, even Pentax K10D level autofocus on its brandnew and probaly highly expensive and clunky 50mm f0,95 lens even with its brandnew mount. wtf Here! new mount! new lens! back to the 1960s!

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08-23-2018, 01:02 AM	#242
Dan Rentea Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Bucharest Posts: 1,716	Originally posted by biz-engineer Sure, however who got the money to buy a new system every other year..? I've spent 6 grands 2 years ago on a Pentax full frame system, I'm not going to redo it every two years and I guess a lot of people won't do it either. And look, if I want this Nikon mirrorless am I going to buy F mount glass now? Certainly not. Why would I buy F mount glass knowing that the Z mount will replace it. The only thing I could do, if the get old versions of Nikon F / Canon EF mount glass in order to limit the spending and then buy on of the mirrorless models, but that wouldn't be cheap. So, at the moment, I'm for waiting to see how the Nikon mirrorless system will deploy, and if Pentax offer a lower cost solution in the next couple of years I may still be better off staying with Pentax. It's not about changing the system every 2 years. It's about having more options for all pockets and preferences. Sony helped here with their agressive releases year after year and Nikon and Canon responded. No one will force you to buy F mount glass if you know that you are going to mirrorless route. There are already 3 lenses in Z mount and another 7 will hit the market in 2019. This means that if you want to go to Nikon mirrorless, by the end of next year you will have already more new lenses than Pentax has for K1. Each and everyone can decide for himself if his current gear is good enough or he should jump to other brand. As far as I'm concerned, I will pay a premium price for the features that I'm interested in.

08-23-2018, 01:30 AM	#243
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	The hardware is, to me, a little underwhelming: FF mirrorless with USB charging, IBIS, lots of focus points, 4K video, weather sealing. Nothing new. Sony has already done this. Minus the FF, Panasonic, Olympus and Fuji have done it too.

08-23-2018, 01:53 AM - 1 Like	#244
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by rawr The hardware is, to me, a little underwhelming: FF mirrorless with USB charging, IBIS, lots of focus points, 4K video, weather sealing.Nothing new. Sony has already done this. Minus the FF, Panasonic, Olympus and Fuji have done it too. At the end of the day, it's a camera. When new products are launch, the amount of media splash is such that it looks so fantastic, when you use the camera, after a couple a weeks using it, you are back to square 1: finding the subject, the light, the composition and also how much 3d rendering the glass can give you. But, Sony have made year of fuzzz about mirrorless, so now people want mirrorless, and so, Nikon have to make what people want.

08-23-2018, 02:03 AM	#245
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by rawr The hardware is, to me, a little underwhelming: Lol,its a major FAIL....pro body prices and ONE card slot!...330 shots from the battery...$$$ony fixed those complaints with their last 3 bodies.On the plus side,it looks like reasonable ergonomics/menu/weathersealing and it can AF in video,not like the D850. Originally posted by rawr Nothing new. Sony has already done this. Minus the FF, Panasonic, Olympus and Fuji have done it too. After the build up its an anticlimax,not a game changer.They are not Rebuilding Mirrorless(i forget what they said exactly in the launch).Its only another system that is mainly aimed at their user base. One positive i see is with the shallow and wide mount,there should be plenty of 3rd party smart adapters for plenty of different glass.

08-23-2018, 02:46 AM	#246
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	I think it looks good. Don't need all those high specs but is has better ergonomics than the Sony and a nice wide mount. Sony can't widen the E-mount without killing all their so expensively developed glass. That's the law of Handicap of a head start. To go mirrorless when full frame sensors were not yet feasible for the mass market, the mounts were designed too narrow to maximize the size advantages over dslr. Canon also has this problem because they design EF-m narrower than EF. Will they come up with yet a new mount?

08-23-2018, 03:01 AM	#247
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by D1N0 Canon also has this problem because they design EF-m narrower than EF. Will they come up with yet a new mount? We may know Sept 4/5,they have an announcement.

08-23-2018, 03:09 AM	#248
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	I just wonder what it offers over the Sony A7r III, which is priced at 3000 body only right now. Dual SD card slots on the Sony versus one XQD slot for the Nikon (not totally sure why Nikon insists on those cards). Most of the other specs look pretty similar although battery life is a bit better for the Sony. In the long run, Nikon will have some interesting lenses, particularly for those who want to shoot video with really wide aperture lenses, but those days are a bit down the road.

08-23-2018, 03:45 AM	#249
Wasp Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Pretoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,661	Except for the price, these new Nikons look pretty good, but that is just me being my indigent self. Just the thing to keep current Nikon pros in the stable. Quite a few have bolted over to the Sony paddock already and it was about time to stop the rot.

08-23-2018, 03:52 AM	#250
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	I remember being a little underwhelmed by the K-1's specs when first announced. I'm not underwhelmed by its performance.

08-23-2018, 06:58 AM - 1 Like	#252
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Rondec I just wonder what it offers over the Sony A7r III, which is priced at 3000 body only right now. Dual SD card slots on the Sony versus one XQD slot for the Nikon (not totally sure why Nikon insists on those cards). Most of the other specs look pretty similar although battery life is a bit better for the Sony. In the long run, Nikon will have some interesting lenses, particularly for those who want to shoot video with really wide aperture lenses, but those days are a bit down the road. I don't think it needs to offer anything "over Sony". Nikon acted while they are still one of the "big boys"; right now their goal may be to offer something to keep current Nikon users, and good reliable adapter may be the key to that. They don't want to lose user after user as Pentax did during the switch to AF {thats when I went to Canon for twenty years}. It is easier to stay big than to become big. As a college faculty member I heard talk after talk about how much easier it is to retain current students than to recruit new ones.

08-23-2018, 07:15 AM	#253
Kuzma Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Moscow Posts: 514	Originally posted by Rondec I just wonder what it offers over the Sony A7r III, which is priced at 3000 body only right now. Dual SD card slots on the Sony versus one XQD slot for the Nikon (not totally sure why Nikon insists on those cards). Most of the other specs look pretty similar although battery life is a bit better for the Sony. In the long run, Nikon will have some interesting lenses, particularly for those who want to shoot video with really wide aperture lenses, but those days are a bit down the road. At least they are now in a race. One of two companies that offer FF mirrorless (Leica with its prices is out of the game).

08-23-2018, 07:35 AM	#254
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by reh321 I don't think it needs to offer anything "over Sony". Nikon acted while they are still one of the "big boys"; right now their goal may be to offer something to keep current Nikon users, and good reliable adapter may be the key to that. They don't want to lose user after user as Pentax did during the switch to AF {thats when I went to Canon for twenty years}. It is easier to stay big than to become big. As a college faculty member I heard talk after talk about how much easier it is to retain current students than to recruit new ones. My point is that they sell in the marketplace. I offer an original A7's specifications for 2000 dollars thinking that I can make a killing since it only takes 700 dollars to manufacture such a camera, I won't sell many copies, even if the ergonomics are great, because people will see that it is underspecified for its price. As far as them keeping existing photographers, that remains to be seen. There are Nikon to Sony adapters that allow for auto focus. It remains to be seen if this Nikon adapter allows F Mount lenses to actually function any better on Nikon mirrorless than on Sony mirrorless cameras. If it is equivalent, then people could just as easily buy an A7r and an adapter and save a bundle of money over either of these cameras.

08-23-2018, 07:55 AM - 1 Like	#255
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Rondec As far as them keeping existing photographers, that remains to be seen. There are Nikon to Sony adapters that allow for auto focus. It remains to be seen if this Nikon adapter allows F Mount lenses to actually function any better on Nikon mirrorless than on Sony mirrorless cameras. If it is equivalent, then people could just as easily buy an A7r and an adapter and save a bundle of money over either of these cameras. I hear the same sort of thing from Nikon users that I often hear from Pentax users. They'd rather drink hemlock than use Sony - this allows them to use MILC gracefully.