$$$ony...who is going to catch them?

surfar · 08-25-2018, 04:45 PM

Nikon didnt,will Canon?

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reh321 · 08-25-2018, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Nikon didn't,will Canon?

Too soon to tell. We shall see how consumers respond.

added: and Canon has already passed Sony in the Japanese Home Islands.

surfar · 08-25-2018, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Too soon to tell. We shall see how consumers respond.

Some consumers will buy it for sure....Nikon have to tweak the firmware of the Zeeees....and get a dual slot model out immediately or their 20k production a month wont last too many months!

And Canon are not in the game!....

reh321 · 08-25-2018, 05:34 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by surfar

And Canon are not in the game!....

Depends on how you define "The Game".

None of them is in "The MF Game".
Sony leads in "The FF Game"
Canon leads in "The Japan Game"
Sony leads in "The US FF Game"
etc

**ChipB** · 08-25-2018, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Nikon didnt,will Canon?

Ho Hum!! Does anyone really care?

surfar · 08-25-2018, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by ChipB

Does anyone really care?

Maybe the person who gets the third K-1

biz-engineer · 08-25-2018, 09:56 PM

If Sony pays you for promoting Sony, then you are fine. But if Sony don't pay you, then you are being mistaken.

---------- Post added 26-08-18 at 07:16 ----------

Originally posted by surfar

Nikon didnt,will Canon?

At least betting on horses or playing lottery, you have a small chance of being rewarded financially. But betting on camera brands, usually, will be a total waste of time for you, because you will not even receive $1 from Sony for promoting them, not even $1, nothing, nicht, niente, nada.

Last edited by biz-engineer; 08-25-2018 at 10:16 PM.

Sandy Hancock · 08-25-2018, 10:17 PM - **2 Likes**

Every company is playing their own game. The only people who care about the collective game are the reviewers. The companies and the consumers don't.

biz-engineer · 08-25-2018, 10:18 PM

Sony camera are not at all comparable to Apple, Sony mirrorless cameras are comparable to the PCs. Reason is, Sony ergonomics sucks, totally in opposition with the design phylosophy of Apple.

---------- Post added 26-08-18 at 07:20 ----------

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

The companies and the consumers don't.

Well, they shouldn't. But some people confuse themselves with salespersons, the difference is, the actual salespersons get paid for promoting a product, while the confused brand fanatic gets NOTHING.

surfar · 08-25-2018, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

nothing, nicht, niente, nada.

The same amount you get for promoting Minolta!

---------- Post added 08-26-18 at 05:03 PM ----------

Originally posted by biz-engineer

the confused brand fanatic

Seems confused.

---------- Post added 08-26-18 at 05:05 PM ----------

Originally posted by reh321

Depends on how you define "The Game".

Its obvious its Tennis and the balls in Canon's court.

biz-engineer · 08-25-2018, 11:22 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by surfar

Its obvious its Tennis and the balls in Canon's court.

Cameras are not a good substitute for Tennis balls, when using a camera all you get is a hole in your racqet

surfar · 08-25-2018, 11:39 PM

But i already had a hole in my racquet!

**Rondec** · 08-26-2018, 03:07 AM - **1 Like**

What do you mean who is going to catch Sony? Canon way out sells Sony already. Whatever they add going down the road will only continue their market dominance. My understanding is that in Japan, Canon is the number one mirrorless seller. It is easy to pick and choose data from different places in the world to show that Sony is achieving some kind of market dominance, but when I see people using ILCs, I seldom see Sony.

The people who claim Sony's dominance are almost uniformly on their payroll which makes their comments suspect.

zapp · 08-26-2018, 03:37 AM

Nikon is just getting serious, Canon will follow soon with a more serious offer.
Where is Hasselblad going? Is the large z mount something for Pentax - large mount for 35 and 120 formats.
Btw Pentax is the only major player that stick to historic mount. Canon, Olympus, Nikon, Minolta... they all changed at some point. Nikon still has f mount, but for how long?

surfar · 08-26-2018, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

What do you mean who is going to catch Sony?

Did you watch the video?

08-25-2018, 11:22 PM - 1 Like	#11
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by surfar Its obvious its Tennis and the balls in Canon's court. Cameras are not a good substitute for Tennis balls, when using a camera all you get is a hole in your racqet Last edited by biz-engineer; 08-25-2018 at 11:44 PM.

08-25-2018, 11:39 PM	#12
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Yes But i already had a hole in my racquet!

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08-25-2018, 04:59 PM	#2
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by surfar Nikon didn't,will Canon? Too soon to tell. We shall see how consumers respond. added: and Canon has already passed Sony in the Japanese Home Islands.

08-25-2018, 05:14 PM	#3
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by reh321 Too soon to tell. We shall see how consumers respond. Some consumers will buy it for sure....Nikon have to tweak the firmware of the Zeeees....and get a dual slot model out immediately or their 20k production a month wont last too many months! And Canon are not in the game!....

08-25-2018, 05:34 PM - 1 Like	#4
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by surfar And Canon are not in the game!.... Depends on how you define "The Game". None of them is in "The MF Game". Sony leads in "The FF Game" Canon leads in "The Japan Game" Sony leads in "The US FF Game" etc

08-25-2018, 08:51 PM	#5
ChipB Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Eau Claire, WI Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,701	Originally posted by surfar Nikon didnt,will Canon? Ho Hum!! Does anyone really care?

08-25-2018, 09:21 PM	#6
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by ChipB Does anyone really care? Maybe the person who gets the third K-1

08-25-2018, 09:56 PM	#7
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	If Sony pays you for promoting Sony, then you are fine. But if Sony don't pay you, then you are being mistaken. ---------- Post added 26-08-18 at 07:16 ---------- Originally posted by surfar Nikon didnt,will Canon? At least betting on horses or playing lottery, you have a small chance of being rewarded financially. But betting on camera brands, usually, will be a total waste of time for you, because you will not even receive $1 from Sony for promoting them, not even $1, nothing, nicht, niente, nada. Last edited by biz-engineer; 08-25-2018 at 10:16 PM.

08-25-2018, 10:17 PM - 2 Likes	#8
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Every company is playing their own game. The only people who care about the collective game are the reviewers. The companies and the consumers don't.

08-25-2018, 10:18 PM	#9
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Sony camera are not at all comparable to Apple, Sony mirrorless cameras are comparable to the PCs. Reason is, Sony ergonomics sucks, totally in opposition with the design phylosophy of Apple. ---------- Post added 26-08-18 at 07:20 ---------- Originally posted by Sandy Hancock The companies and the consumers don't. Well, they shouldn't. But some people confuse themselves with salespersons, the difference is, the actual salespersons get paid for promoting a product, while the confused brand fanatic gets NOTHING.

08-25-2018, 11:01 PM	#10
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by biz-engineer nothing, nicht, niente, nada. The same amount you get for promoting Minolta! ---------- Post added 08-26-18 at 05:03 PM ---------- Originally posted by biz-engineer the confused brand fanatic Seems confused. ---------- Post added 08-26-18 at 05:05 PM ---------- Originally posted by reh321 Depends on how you define "The Game". Its obvious its Tennis and the balls in Canon's court.

08-26-2018, 03:07 AM - 1 Like	#13
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	What do you mean who is going to catch Sony? Canon way out sells Sony already. Whatever they add going down the road will only continue their market dominance. My understanding is that in Japan, Canon is the number one mirrorless seller. It is easy to pick and choose data from different places in the world to show that Sony is achieving some kind of market dominance, but when I see people using ILCs, I seldom see Sony. The people who claim Sony's dominance are almost uniformly on their payroll which makes their comments suspect.

08-26-2018, 03:37 AM	#14
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385	Nikon is just getting serious, Canon will follow soon with a more serious offer. Where is Hasselblad going? Is the large z mount something for Pentax - large mount for 35 and 120 formats. Btw Pentax is the only major player that stick to historic mount. Canon, Olympus, Nikon, Minolta... they all changed at some point. Nikon still has f mount, but for how long?

08-26-2018, 03:38 AM	#15
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rondec What do you mean who is going to catch Sony? Did you watch the video?