Panasonic to enter Full Frame mirrorless market...

surfar · 09-01-2018, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by awscreo

like a larger Xpro2, sounds like it will be more affordable (although, for the image quality, 50s is reasonably priced,

Thats what it will resemble,no OVF,and its same internals as 50s....no removable evf,probably no moveable screen...it will be interesting to some.PRICE a fair way under 645z and 50s.

awscreo · 09-01-2018, 05:42 PM

Exciting times! Fuji mf rangefinder, Panasonic ff milc, possibly oly ff milc as well. YouTube reviewers gonna have a lot of work lol

surfar · 09-01-2018, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by awscreo

Exciting times! Fuji mf rangefinder, Panasonic ff milc, possibly oly ff milc as well. YouTube reviewers gonna have a lot of work lol

Ive been doing overtime on there just with the Nikon Zeeees.This month marks a significant change for the Hybrid cameras.

mee · 09-01-2018, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by awscreo

Exciting times! Fuji mf rangefinder, Panasonic ff milc, possibly oly ff milc as well. YouTube reviewers gonna have a lot of work lol

With so many new systems coming online, it almost makes sense to wait it out and see what happens after the dust settles. I wonder if gear rental places like all the extra new systems coming online or not? On one hand, they get a lot more potential customers. On the other, that is a lot more gear to house and support.

surfar · 09-01-2018, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by mee

after the dust settles.

That will be the Nikon factory,20k pm...till the fanbois run out.

mee · 09-01-2018, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by surfar

That will be the Nikon factory,20k pm...till the fanbois run out.

Haha alrighty.

I frankly don't care who wins or loses just as long as we have competent systems with decent support at fair pricing.

awscreo · 09-01-2018, 07:39 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by surfar

Ive been doing overtime on there just with the Nikon Zeeees.This month marks a significant change for the Hybrid cameras.

I've been keeping away mostly, not very interested in the Z cameras so far, they seem sort of half baked at this stage. But I'm very curious what Panasonic and oly can bring to the table. I really liked my previous olympus camera, and I like the mft system overall, just can't justify two systems at this point. I probably won't be buying the first Gen ff milc from any of those, but when upgrading k-1 will be feasible, Pentax would have to really sweep me off my feet with K-2

---------- Post added 09-01-18 at 07:39 PM ----------

Originally posted by mee

With so many new systems coming online, it almost makes sense to wait it out and see what happens after the dust settles. I wonder if gear rental places like all the extra new systems coming online or not? On one hand, they get a lot more potential customers. On the other, that is a lot more gear to house and support.

Yeah, I haven't considered what it would do to the rental companies. Also, used market will be full of good stuff lol

Last edited by awscreo; 09-01-2018 at 07:44 PM.

Fcsnt54 · 09-01-2018, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by awscreo

I've seen some high praise, and very nice images come out of the Fuji MILC MF. While it's out of my price range, I can appreciate what they did with that camera. And it's lighter than my K-1 at 827g. Although I'd imagine the MF lenses are hefty

(haven't used MF yet)

Depends on the lens, but they are very similar in size to similar full frame lenses.

awscreo · 09-01-2018, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Fcsnt54

Depends on the lens, but they are very similar in size to similar full frame lenses.

I should've gone to b&h last time I was in nyc, try to hold the 50s, see how it feels in hands. I hear af isn't great, making it a landscape/fine art/studio camera, which is fine with me. I also heard output is amazing

Fcsnt54 · 09-01-2018, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by awscreo

I should've gone to b&h last time I was in nyc, try to hold the 50s, see how it feels in hands. I hear af isn't great, making it a landscape/fine art/studio camera, which is fine with me. I also heard output is amazing

Yeah its definitely an interesting camera. I wish the raws were closer to what a pentax camera produces, but i love the jpeg output. Im a slower shooter, so the AF is just fine and works for the portaits that i use it for. Granted im not sure what really fast AF is? It seems quick with the gf 45 lens.... i can only imagine how fuji will treat the next version past the range finder model.

awscreo · 09-01-2018, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Fcsnt54

Yeah its definitely an interesting camera. I wish the raws were closer to what a pentax camera produces, but i love the jpeg output. Im a slower shooter, so the AF is just fine and works for the portaits that i use it for. Granted im not sure what really fast AF is? It seems quick with the gf 45 lens.... i can only imagine how fuji will treat the next version past the range finder model.

Do you mean the 645z output? Does 645z have better raw files? Just curious, since I don't own either camera

Fcsnt54 · 09-01-2018, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by awscreo

Do you mean the 645z output? Does 645z have better raw files? Just curious, since I don't own either camera

As all things it can be subjective, but I do believe so. I find the meta data puzzling when viewing from ON1. Both Cameras have the same sensors, using the same focal length but the 645Z has a higher resolution? GFX- 8256x6192 @72 ppi vs the 645Z- 8256x6192 @300 ppi. I found that puzzling. Might be how the program reads the raw files, but still...I'm perplexed by this.

D1N0 · 09-02-2018, 02:58 AM

Interesting if this happens. probably a larger threat to Sony than Nikon, since Panasonic like Sony is strong in video while Canon and especially Nikon are still more stills minded companies. Being originally Photography companies and not electronic giants. Canon is a bit of both though.

Mark Ransom · 09-02-2018, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by Fcsnt54

As all things it can be subjective, but I do believe so. I find the meta data puzzling when viewing from ON1. Both Cameras have the same sensors, using the same focal length but the 645Z has a higher resolution? GFX- 8256x6192 @72 ppi vs the 645Z- 8256x6192 @300 ppi. I found that puzzling. Might be how the program reads the raw files, but still...I'm perplexed by this.

The PPI number embedded in the EXIF is completely meaningless. The standard says that if there isn't a meaningful number to put in that field then the default should be 72, but that's very inconvenient for software that tries to make use of the value so some manufacturers plug in something else.

Fcsnt54 · 09-02-2018, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by Mark Ransom

The PPI number embedded in the EXIF is completely meaningless. The standard says that if there isn't a meaningful number to put in that field then the default should be 72, but that's very inconvenient for software that tries to make use of the value so some manufacturers plug in something else.

Well thats good to know, never knew that they would just plug a number in.

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09-01-2018, 05:36 PM	#46
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,137	Originally posted by awscreo like a larger Xpro2, sounds like it will be more affordable (although, for the image quality, 50s is reasonably priced, Thats what it will resemble,no OVF,and its same internals as 50s....no removable evf,probably no moveable screen...it will be interesting to some.PRICE a fair way under 645z and 50s.

09-01-2018, 05:42 PM	#47
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Exciting times! Fuji mf rangefinder, Panasonic ff milc, possibly oly ff milc as well. YouTube reviewers gonna have a lot of work lol

09-01-2018, 05:57 PM	#48
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,137	Originally posted by awscreo Exciting times! Fuji mf rangefinder, Panasonic ff milc, possibly oly ff milc as well. YouTube reviewers gonna have a lot of work lol Ive been doing overtime on there just with the Nikon Zeeees.This month marks a significant change for the Hybrid cameras.

09-01-2018, 06:28 PM	#49
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by awscreo Exciting times! Fuji mf rangefinder, Panasonic ff milc, possibly oly ff milc as well. YouTube reviewers gonna have a lot of work lol With so many new systems coming online, it almost makes sense to wait it out and see what happens after the dust settles. I wonder if gear rental places like all the extra new systems coming online or not? On one hand, they get a lot more potential customers. On the other, that is a lot more gear to house and support.

09-01-2018, 06:33 PM	#50
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,137	Originally posted by mee after the dust settles. That will be the Nikon factory,20k pm...till the fanbois run out.

09-01-2018, 07:00 PM	#51
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by surfar That will be the Nikon factory,20k pm...till the fanbois run out. Haha alrighty. I frankly don't care who wins or loses just as long as we have competent systems with decent support at fair pricing.

09-01-2018, 07:39 PM - 1 Like	#52
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by surfar Ive been doing overtime on there just with the Nikon Zeeees.This month marks a significant change for the Hybrid cameras. I've been keeping away mostly, not very interested in the Z cameras so far, they seem sort of half baked at this stage. But I'm very curious what Panasonic and oly can bring to the table. I really liked my previous olympus camera, and I like the mft system overall, just can't justify two systems at this point. I probably won't be buying the first Gen ff milc from any of those, but when upgrading k-1 will be feasible, Pentax would have to really sweep me off my feet with K-2 ---------- Post added 09-01-18 at 07:39 PM ---------- Originally posted by mee With so many new systems coming online, it almost makes sense to wait it out and see what happens after the dust settles. I wonder if gear rental places like all the extra new systems coming online or not? On one hand, they get a lot more potential customers. On the other, that is a lot more gear to house and support. Yeah, I haven't considered what it would do to the rental companies. Also, used market will be full of good stuff lol Last edited by awscreo; 09-01-2018 at 07:44 PM.

09-01-2018, 07:46 PM	#53
Fcsnt54 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: California Posts: 621	Originally posted by awscreo I've seen some high praise, and very nice images come out of the Fuji MILC MF. While it's out of my price range, I can appreciate what they did with that camera. And it's lighter than my K-1 at 827g. Although I'd imagine the MF lenses are hefty (haven't used MF yet) Depends on the lens, but they are very similar in size to similar full frame lenses.

09-01-2018, 08:04 PM	#54
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by Fcsnt54 Depends on the lens, but they are very similar in size to similar full frame lenses. I should've gone to b&h last time I was in nyc, try to hold the 50s, see how it feels in hands. I hear af isn't great, making it a landscape/fine art/studio camera, which is fine with me. I also heard output is amazing

09-01-2018, 08:24 PM	#55
Fcsnt54 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: California Posts: 621	Originally posted by awscreo I should've gone to b&h last time I was in nyc, try to hold the 50s, see how it feels in hands. I hear af isn't great, making it a landscape/fine art/studio camera, which is fine with me. I also heard output is amazing Yeah its definitely an interesting camera. I wish the raws were closer to what a pentax camera produces, but i love the jpeg output. Im a slower shooter, so the AF is just fine and works for the portaits that i use it for. Granted im not sure what really fast AF is? It seems quick with the gf 45 lens.... i can only imagine how fuji will treat the next version past the range finder model.

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09-01-2018, 08:37 PM	#56
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by Fcsnt54 Yeah its definitely an interesting camera. I wish the raws were closer to what a pentax camera produces, but i love the jpeg output. Im a slower shooter, so the AF is just fine and works for the portaits that i use it for. Granted im not sure what really fast AF is? It seems quick with the gf 45 lens.... i can only imagine how fuji will treat the next version past the range finder model. Do you mean the 645z output? Does 645z have better raw files? Just curious, since I don't own either camera

09-01-2018, 11:41 PM	#57
Fcsnt54 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: California Posts: 621	Originally posted by awscreo Do you mean the 645z output? Does 645z have better raw files? Just curious, since I don't own either camera As all things it can be subjective, but I do believe so. I find the meta data puzzling when viewing from ON1. Both Cameras have the same sensors, using the same focal length but the 645Z has a higher resolution? GFX- 8256x6192 @72 ppi vs the 645Z- 8256x6192 @300 ppi. I found that puzzling. Might be how the program reads the raw files, but still...I'm perplexed by this.

09-02-2018, 02:58 AM	#58
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Interesting if this happens. probably a larger threat to Sony than Nikon, since Panasonic like Sony is strong in video while Canon and especially Nikon are still more stills minded companies. Being originally Photography companies and not electronic giants. Canon is a bit of both though.

09-02-2018, 04:42 AM	#59
Mark Ransom Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by Fcsnt54 As all things it can be subjective, but I do believe so. I find the meta data puzzling when viewing from ON1. Both Cameras have the same sensors, using the same focal length but the 645Z has a higher resolution? GFX- 8256x6192 @72 ppi vs the 645Z- 8256x6192 @300 ppi. I found that puzzling. Might be how the program reads the raw files, but still...I'm perplexed by this. The PPI number embedded in the EXIF is completely meaningless. The standard says that if there isn't a meaningful number to put in that field then the default should be 72, but that's very inconvenient for software that tries to make use of the value so some manufacturers plug in something else.

09-02-2018, 06:54 AM	#60
Fcsnt54 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: California Posts: 621	Originally posted by Mark Ransom The PPI number embedded in the EXIF is completely meaningless. The standard says that if there isn't a meaningful number to put in that field then the default should be 72, but that's very inconvenient for software that tries to make use of the value so some manufacturers plug in something else. Well thats good to know, never knew that they would just plug a number in.