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Winder · 09-09-2018, 07:50 AM

Stunning: Sony officially announces a new generation of Global Shutter APS-C and MFT sensors! - sonyalpharumors sonyalpharumors

Global shutter is a big step forward for mirrorless and eventually we will have pixel level "shutter" control. That will vastly improve DR and color accuracy.

photoptimist · 09-09-2018, 08:03 AM - **1 Like**

Hmmm... The specs prove that these sensors are at least 2 generations behind on DR of other APS-C sensors. These sensors are limited to 12 bit read-out (at degraded frame rates) compared to the 14 bit DR of 3-year old sensors used for stills.

Global shutter does not improve DR at all. In fact, global shutter makes high DR much harder to achieve. Global shutter only aids color accuracy with artificial light sources that have flickering color.

**Pål Jensen** · 09-09-2018, 08:09 AM - **1 Like**

They are for industry use. I fail to see what this has to do with mirrorless specifically as they could potentially be used in any type of camera.

Winder · 09-09-2018, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by photoptimist

Hmmm... The specs prove that these sensors are at least 2 generations behind on DR of other APS-C sensors. These sensors are limited to 12 bit read-out (at degraded frame rates) compared to the 14 bit DR of of 3-year old sensors used for stills.

Global shutter does not improve DR at all. In fact, global shutter makes high DR much harder to achieve. Global shutter only aids color accuracy with artificial light sources that have flickering color.

If you read what I wrote. "eventually we will have pixel level "shutter" control. That will vastly improve DR and color accuracy."
I didn't say global shutter improves DR.

**UncleVanya** · 09-09-2018, 08:20 AM

The comments indicate this isn't for consumer cameras. I'm not clear what they based that off.

Winder · 09-09-2018, 08:35 AM

The sensors are clearly marked "Industry" so we wont see them in consumer cameras, but it looks like Sony is close to be able bring consumer versions to market.

photoptimist · 09-09-2018, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

They are for industry use. I fail to see what this has to do with mirrorless specifically as they could potentially be used in any type of camera.

Indeed.

The specs actually suggest the sensor would be ill-suited to mirrorless ILCs. The sensor is optimized for lenses with at least 100 mm distance to the exit pupil.

biz-engineer · 09-09-2018, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by Winder

The sensors are clearly marked "Industry" so we wont see them in consumer cameras, but it looks like Sony is close to be able bring consumer versions to market.

Could be a derivative of the A9 sensor for apsc camera models, and it wouldn't be global shutter , it would be tiled sensor array stacked on a secondary chip. RD on this kind of chip is very expensive, they will also sell that kind of sensor to Nikon and Ricoh Imaging, we'll get it into a Pentax camera without having to change our lenses.

stevebrot · 09-09-2018, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

They are for industry use...

Predictably.

Most sensor rumors are started for industrial stuff used for product QA purposes.

Steve

09-09-2018, 07:50 AM	#1
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Sony Global Shutter APS-C and MFT - New Sensors Stunning: Sony officially announces a new generation of Global Shutter APS-C and MFT sensors! - sonyalpharumors sonyalpharumors Global shutter is a big step forward for mirrorless and eventually we will have pixel level "shutter" control. That will vastly improve DR and color accuracy.

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photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,129	Hmmm... The specs prove that these sensors are at least 2 generations behind on DR of other APS-C sensors. These sensors are limited to 12 bit read-out (at degraded frame rates) compared to the 14 bit DR of 3-year old sensors used for stills. Global shutter does not improve DR at all. In fact, global shutter makes high DR much harder to achieve. Global shutter only aids color accuracy with artificial light sources that have flickering color. Last edited by photoptimist; 09-09-2018 at 08:25 AM.

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Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	They are for industry use. I fail to see what this has to do with mirrorless specifically as they could potentially be used in any type of camera.

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Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by photoptimist Hmmm... The specs prove that these sensors are at least 2 generations behind on DR of other APS-C sensors. These sensors are limited to 12 bit read-out (at degraded frame rates) compared to the 14 bit DR of of 3-year old sensors used for stills. Global shutter does not improve DR at all. In fact, global shutter makes high DR much harder to achieve. Global shutter only aids color accuracy with artificial light sources that have flickering color. If you read what I wrote. *"eventually we will have pixel level "shutter" control. That will vastly improve DR and color accuracy."* I didn't say global shutter improves DR.

09-09-2018, 08:20 AM	#5
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,472	The comments indicate this isn't for consumer cameras. I'm not clear what they based that off.

09-09-2018, 08:35 AM	#6
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	The sensors are clearly marked "Industry" so we wont see them in consumer cameras, but it looks like Sony is close to be able bring consumer versions to market.

09-09-2018, 08:43 AM	#7
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,129	Originally posted by Pål Jensen They are for industry use. I fail to see what this has to do with mirrorless specifically as they could potentially be used in any type of camera. Indeed. The specs actually suggest the sensor would be ill-suited to mirrorless ILCs. The sensor is optimized for lenses with at least 100 mm distance to the exit pupil.

09-09-2018, 09:52 AM	#8
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,253	Originally posted by Winder The sensors are clearly marked "Industry" so we wont see them in consumer cameras, but it looks like Sony is close to be able bring consumer versions to market. Could be a derivative of the A9 sensor for apsc camera models, and it wouldn't be global shutter , it would be tiled sensor array stacked on a secondary chip. RD on this kind of chip is very expensive, they will also sell that kind of sensor to Nikon and Ricoh Imaging, we'll get it into a Pentax camera without having to change our lenses.

09-09-2018, 10:46 AM	#9
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Pål Jensen They are for industry use... Predictably. Most sensor rumors are started for industrial stuff used for product QA purposes. Steve

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