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12-15-2018, 11:40 AM   #1
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Things are heating up in the full-frame mirrorless camera market - DxOMark

12-15-2018, 01:20 PM   #2
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This article is of interest to all systems, as many of, if not all, the technology advances necessary for successful larger-format mirrorless cameras can also be employed in DSLRs and hybrid bodies. Hopefully, we’ll see the Pentax hybrid viewfinder technology in a new body, soon.

Nonetheless, some of the mirrorless hype used in this and other articles is intended to create FOMO (fear of missing out). No doubt it will succeed with enough people, to justify the sponsors’ efforts.
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Moved to the correct forum. As the sticky in General Talk says, no photography talk is allowed there. Please take note of that sticky next time before posting there. Thanks for your understanding!
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From the article:

"negative shutter lag is possible—that is, the camera records images even before the photographer presses the shutter button."

So in the creation of the ultimate camera, the photographer can now be removed along with the mirror!

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The rise of mirrorless is surely for the amount of marketing money spent in order to pull declining sales. Currently, the selection of lenses for mirrorless mounts is very poor, the imaging performance isn't better than DSLR and camera bodies tend to even have less features than some DSLR models. Only Sony most recent MILC models have decent battery lives. If I compare the price of a new Nikon MILC kit to a Pentax DSLR kit, it is clear that the DSLR kit is cheaper, with my DSLR zoom lenses opening at f2.8 while Nikon standard zoom opening at f4. So, we will wait for at least a couple of years to see how those new MILC systems unfold.

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To me, new MILC systems are messing up R&D efforts and undermining lens selection for the camera users. If Canon and Nikon will be able to break through, if they don't break through, their camera product line ups are going to be messed up big times. In the last quarter this year, retailers came back from promoting MILC only to promoting DSLR again in order to achieve sales missing from end-of-the year budget.

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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
From the article:

"negative shutter lag is possible—that is, the camera records images even before the photographer presses the shutter button."

So in the creation of the ultimate camera, the photographer can now be removed along with the mirror!
I believe iPhones work that way. The camera is constantly collecting images, and then the photographer tells it which moment is 'the' moment. The iPhone or other control then constructs 'the photo' from what it has collected; if motion is involved, it might just record the image closest to when the shutter was pressed, but it could also do a form of HDR. The photographer is selecting the view and the moment, but this enables the camera's intelligence to make the best image it can.
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QuoteOriginally posted by dstar Quote
Nikon doesn’t want to move too fast. They seem clearly unprepared to do consumer mirrorless (e.g. crop sensor). And like Canon, they’re trumpeting the fact that they’ll have more DSLR product iterations soon. That said, I’ll bet that Nikon makes the all-mirrorless move before Canon. It just isn’t going to happen any time in the very near future.
Going all-MILC will be hard for Nikon just as it would be hard for Pentax - they have a bunch of lenses not easily adapted to their new mount, and users proud of a long history of 'compatibility' {in fact, the F-mount is slightly older than the K-mount}. By contrast, Canon already has an adapters allowing its EF-lenses to be fully functional on their M-mount and R-mount cameras.

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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
I believe iPhones work that way. The camera is constantly collecting images, and then the photographer tells it which moment is 'the' moment. The iPhone or other control then constructs 'the photo' from what it has collected; if motion is involved, it might just record the image closest to when the shutter was pressed, but it could also do a form of HDR. The photographer is selecting the view and the moment, but this enables the camera's intelligence to make the best image it can.
The Olympus OMD-EM1II does this (option). It starts buffering the frames when you push the shutter button down half way. When you push it all the way down it save a bust of images from the fraction of a second before you pushed it down t a fraction of a second after. I think its a 20 image burst.
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
Going all-MILC will be hard for Nikon just as it would be hard for Pentax - they have a bunch of lenses not easily adapted to their new mount, and users proud of a long history of 'compatibility' {in fact, the F-mount is slightly older than the K-mount}. By contrast, Canon already has an adapters allowing its EF-lenses to be fully functional on their M-mount and R-mount cameras.
Actually, the F mount us about the same age as the M42 mount. It's probably 15 years older than the K mount.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wheatfield Quote
Actually, the F mount us about the same age as the M42 mount. It's probably 15 years older than the K mount.
M42 goes back to the Zeiss Contax S of 1949. F-mount goes back to the Nikon F of 1959. K-mount was introduced in 1975.
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
{in fact, the F-mount is slightly older than the K-mount}.
QuoteOriginally posted by Wheatfield Quote
Actually, the F mount us about the same age as the M42 mount. It's probably 15 years older than the K mount.
QuoteOriginally posted by boriscleto Quote
M42 goes back to the Zeiss Contax S of 1949. F-mount goes back to the Nikon F of 1959. K-mount was introduced in 1975.
OK, I will rephrase my comment as "{in fact, the F-mount is 16 years older than the K-mount}", which doesn't change anything I said. Going Z-mount will force Nikon users to leave most of their F-mount history behind. Many Pentax users can understand the angst that will cause. It will be interesting to see how Nikon's line(s) develop(s) over time.
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QuoteOriginally posted by boriscleto Quote
M42 goes back to the Zeiss Contax S of 1949. F-mount goes back to the Nikon F of 1959. K-mount was introduced in 1975.
I knew the k mount was 1975, I had forgotten the m42 was as old as it is.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
The Olympus OMD-EM1II does this (option). It starts buffering the frames when you push the shutter button down half way.
That's not quite what was described in the article:
"The camera records images even before the photographer presses the shutter button."
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I believe iPhones work that way. The camera is constantly collecting images, and then the photographer tells it which moment is 'the' moment.
That final step can surely be eliminated in the evolution of the smarter smartphone.
Apple need to do something to restore their falling share value.
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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
That's not quite what was described in the article:
"The camera records images even before the photographer presses the shutter button."
You are correct. There is no button to press half-way on the new iPhone. On the Olympus you have to tell the camera to start buffering images by pressing the button half way. On the iPhone you have to set it up by selecting the mode, but the result and the concept is the same.
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