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06-17-2019, 04:34 PM   #16
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I don't know what time period is used by B&H to calculate "best sellers", but on the current list
(1) EOS-M50 is the highest ranked Canon MILC
(2) EOS-M50 is the highest ranked APS-C by any manufacturer.

Four years ago, when I was in the process of replacing my recently deceased Rebel, the EOS-M series looked hopeless; the EOS-M sold poorly and the EOS-M2 was sold only in Asia. I haven't paid much attention to Canon during the past four years, after I switched to Pentax, but they obviously have figured out MILC for APS-C ...... it may take another year or two, but I am fairly certain they will figure out MILC for FF also.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Wheatfield Quote
Nope. Canon will abandon the EF mount for the RF mount, and their users will either suck it up and buy an adaptor, or keep shooting ever increasingly aged SLRs.
They did it with the FD mount, they will do it again with the EF mount.
In 1987, they promised support for the FD mount would continue well into the future. That future came in less than two years. I expect the EF mount will be gone within 2-3 years.
No point arguing opinions with you.

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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
No point arguing opinions with you.
True. However, my opinions generally work out to be correct.
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One interesting thing that I've been thinking a bit about lately is that up till recently, one of the main calling cards of mirrorless cameras was that with their short registration distances, they could mount just about every full frame lens ever made. But of course, that is changing as there are a plethora of MILC specific lenses coming out. I wonder if Sony will actually be able to mount a lens like the RF 28-70 f2, even with an adapter? My guess is probably not. Same with the Z lenses. And Canon certainly can't mount FE mount lenses as their registration distance is a little longer than Sony's.

There are still way more SLR lenses out there and it probably doesn't make a difference, but it was still interesting to think about.

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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
...... it may take another year or two, but I am fairly certain they will figure out MILC for FF also.
Absolutely they will. And when that happens, it's bye bye EF mount.
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Regardless, Canon still leads. And Pentax with its adamant non mirrorless strategy.. is going nowhere!
I'm pretty sure Pentax is one of the few that has gained market share recently. Try and keep up, eh?
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I'm pretty sure Pentax is one of the few that has gained market share recently. Try and keep up, eh?
Good to hear. Can you post a link to the source?

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Good to hear. Can you post a link to the source?
Yep, analysis by our own Mistral75.

Sony and Fuji dropped in sales, WInder, you won't find that hanging around DPR trolls, but you do on this forum:
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I have read the same news when it came out and rush to the Ricoh site to download the official report.
well here is the link to Ricoh site, get the one with " (May 10, 2019) " Financial Announcement | Global | Ricoh

Digital cameras belong to the "Other" section. (remember I found it listed in an official report a year back. the latest one doesn't bother to mention where it is belonged to but I guess it is still the same.) I don't try to conclude anything here. There are main profitable products in the "Other" section and Ricoh points it out by name. And I notice the absence of the brand name we are using. If Pentax makes money, it would be very good but Ricoh doesn't bother to even mention the words "digital camera" let alone say the brand name.

We need to ask Ricoh in the next interview, Hey where is Pentax on your financial report
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The figures used are for the Smart Vision segment, not for the entire Other. Smart Vision doesn't even include imaging products like 3D/stereo automotive cameras or machine vision.
Pentax wasn't mentioned this time because there wasn't much to say about it. The next Pentax camera should appear in the presentation.
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I have read the same news when it came out and rush to the Ricoh site to download the official report.
well here is the link to Ricoh site, get the one with " (May 10, 2019) " Financial Announcement | Global | Ricoh

Digital cameras belong to the "Other" section. (remember I found it listed in an official report a year back. the latest one doesn't bother to mention where it is belonged to but I guess it is still the same.) I don't try to conclude anything here. There are main profitable products in the "Other" section and Ricoh points it out by name. And I notice the absence of the brand name we are using. If Pentax makes money, it would be very good but Ricoh doesn't bother to even mention the words "digital camera" let alone say the brand name.

We need to ask Ricoh in the next interview, Hey where is Pentax on your financial report
Kunzite already answered, but clearly it was a slow year for Pentax with regard to new releases. I think the K-1 MK II was the only new camera and it was more of a refresh than a brand new product. If anything, it is surprising that Ricoh held a consistent market share in this situation.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
Kunzite already answered, but clearly it was a slow year for Pentax with regard to new releases. I think the K-1 MK II was the only new camera and it was more of a refresh than a brand new product. (...)
Ricoh announced the Pentax K-1 Mark II in FY2017, not FY2018. The Pentax announcements in FY2018 were the HD D FA★ 50mm f/1.4 SDM AW, HD DA★ 11-18mm f/2.8 ED DC AW and HD FA 35mm f/2.

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(...) If anything, it is surprising that Ricoh held a consistent market share in this situation.
Indeed, the sales of Ricoh Imaging decreased 5.7% between FY2017 (¥19.4bn) and FY2018 (¥18.3bn). This is in line with the market decrease, as measured by CIPA shipments: -5%.



The HD D FA★ 50mm f/1.4 SDM AW was a success and it's an expensive piece of equipment. In addition, don't forget there is more than Pentax in Ricoh Imaging. One can presume that Theta cameras did well during FY2018 and the launch sales (*) of Ricoh GR III had a positive impact too.

(*) to the distribution network; the first batch is said to have been 15,000 units.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Ricoh announced the Pentax K-1 Mark II in FY2017, not FY2018. The Pentax announcements in FY2018 were the HD D FA★ 50mm f/1.4 SDM AW, HD DA★ 11-18mm f/2.8 ED DC AW and HD FA 35mm f/2.



Indeed, the sales of Ricoh Imaging decreased 5.7% between FY2017 (¥19.4bn) and FY2018 (¥18.3bn). This is in line with the market decrease, as measured by CIPA shipments: -5%.



The HD D FA★ 50mm f/1.4 SDM AW was a success and it's an expensive piece of equipment. In addition, don't forget there is more than Pentax in Ricoh Imaging. One can presume that Theta cameras did well during FY2018 and the launch sales (*) of Ricoh GR III had a positive impact too.

(*) to the distribution network; the first batch is said to have been 15,000 units.
I guess I am more thinking that this year could be better if Pentax has some "real" releases in the second half.
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Canon will keep selling EF lenses for a decade, slowing the renewal of lenses, renewing bodies, and will slowly fade out EF mount.

I'm not conviced any bit that the future RF body will be lighter, and RF lenses any lighter too. But who cares ?
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Yep, analysis by our own Mistral75.

Sony and Fuji dropped in sales, WInder, you won't find that hanging around DPR trolls, but you do on this forum:
If you would read the posts you are responding to, you would see that the subject of discussion is market share, not sales. Sales volume is down across the board. Sales volume is a subject that has already been beaten to death.

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Canon will keep selling EF lenses for a decade, slowing the renewal of lenses, renewing bodies, and will slowly fade out EF mount.

I'm not conviced any bit that the future RF body will be lighter, and RF lenses any lighter too. But who cares ?
Lenses are only going to get bigger. With manufacturers developing for 100MP full frame sensors and users obsessed with optical perfection, lenses will only get more optical correction and more glass. The new Sigma 40mm F/1.4 ART and Panasonic 50mm F/1.4 are massive lenses relative to previous lens designs.


For Canon, I think the EF mount is dead. Canon is heavily invested in video and the EVF is king for video. I agree that over the next 10 years RF will dominate the release cycles for Canon. Canon has done a lot of work on a hybrid OVF to try and merge the technologies together and it appears that Canon doesn't view the hybrid OVF as a viable option. If Canon could have integrated the hybrid OVF into their current DSLR line-up, I think they would have and saved all that R&D money they now have to spend developing and supporting a new mount.
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