A couple of responses to responses here that are a little "off piste" for me, since I'm generally highly critical of smartphone cameras
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(Neither response is meant argumentatively, but in the spirit of constructive challenge and enquiry) Originally posted by Wheatfield The real message is that this is a business where real estate matters.
Nothing else.
Digging into that, Bill, with respect... Are you saying that
more sensor real-estate is
always better in
every use case, or that different sizes - larger
and smaller - have different applications where either (with the associated lenses) can be better?
You know I shoot both full frame and APS-C, as well as smaller sensor cameras like the Q7. And I'm as big a fan of full frame as any other photographer...
in the right circumstances. In a test chart scenario under various lighting levels, I'd agree that larger sensor cameras of sufficient resolution and of the same generation will out-perform smaller sensor cameras of sufficient resolution, especially as ISO rises. But in real shooting scenarios I'd posit that smaller sensor cameras, with lenses of equivalent field of view, can sometimes be
better - depending, of course, on the very specific use case, target reproduction size and viewing distance.
Again, I'm not trying to be argumentative here... I just feel that your "
real estate matters" statement, whilst undoubtedly accurate in many situations, deserves some qualification... especially for other members (since I'm pretty sure I know what you meant
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Originally posted by Rondec The phone photo really shows what I haven't liked about them in the past. Greens in particular just don't have a natural hue, whereas the CCD sensor does a very nice job of rendering them very naturally. In addition, as you mentioned, dynamic range seems better on the K200 -- at least the shadow areas are more visible.
Clearly phone cameras have come a long way over time, though (not surprisingly) they haven't caught up with larger sensored cameras.
You probably know from various posts of mine, Vincent, that I'm a big fan of older CCD sensor cameras. But I do think it's possible to process modern CMOS sensor camera images so that they're very close (if not quite identical) to their CCD forebears. I can process my K-3 photos to get very similar results to those from my GX-10 / K10D, though I do think that the CCD sensor captures light differently (no proof there - just a sense). But where colour is concerned, a lot of modern cameras - smart-phones especially, I think - tend to give a rather cold, blue-biased rendering (much like modern computer monitors). When profiled with suitable tools, though, they're usually capable of much more accurate and/or pleasing rendering...