Nikon to Announce APS-C Mirrorless

surfar · 10-12-2019, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Canon is more likely to do that than Nikon is.

?????

Canon is number 1,from mainly selling Dslr.They have just announced the d90 which looks a reasonably capable piece of hardware.The Olympic big fast action body is imminent.

They got into FF mirrorless to fend off $$$ony from taking their client base.They will remain in Dslr until their is no market.That is when a phone can do everything!

reh321 · 10-13-2019, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by surfar

?????

Canon is number 1,from mainly selling Dslr.They have just announced the d90 which looks a reasonably capable piece of hardware.The Olympic big fast action body is imminent.

They got into FF mirrorless to fend off $$$ony from taking their client base.They will remain in Dslr until their is no market.That is when a phone can do everything!

I believe in 2018 the MILC leader in Japan was Canon, a time when they were selling only EOS-M amongst MILC.
They will sell whatever they need to.

**Clarkey** · 10-13-2019, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Mbaez

I agree with you. Regarding their lenses, I have the feeling that Nikon is going to follow the same path with their new Z-DX that they did with DX: consumer grade lenses and no dedicated primes. Plus, this time they don't have Sigma's nor Tamron's help to fill the holes.

Getting to this thread late. Although I mostly agree with you:
1. With the Z mount primes already available (35, 50), all they have to do is make wide primes for APS-C and they have a coherent system (unlike EOS-M, which desperately needs a fast medium telephoto).
2. Although not primes, with Sony F I N A L L Y releasing a fast zoom for APS-C, I don't think they can afford a slow kit zoom.
3. Sigma and Tamron will likely make primes and zooms for Z mount. Yes, Full frame, but they will be available.

Originally posted by Mikesul

It is kind of surprising that Nikon introduced an APS-C at this point.

Personally, I think this is a test bed for the D500 replacement that must come at some point.

---------- Post added 10-13-2019 at 09:07 PM ----------

Originally posted by surfar

There is a few gaps but they should be filled within a couple of years.

---------- Post added 10-13-19 at 10:30 AM ----------

You could get the FF with the kit zoom, it goes OK.

---------- Post added 10-13-19 at 10:42 AM ----------

Well,when you consider that their main rivals in the market place CanOny offer FF and Apsc,its no surprise that they want to offer their client base an option.

Its competitive pricewise, that kit 16-50 makes it light and compact(what the 1 system used to be).

You know that I shoot Fujifilm as well as Panasonic, but the lenses for Fuji keep getting bigger and bigger. I do like the "fujicrons" and the 23mm is still the reason I am in the system, but apart from that series, there isn't much that is weather-sealed or high-end that is compact. Now if they would seal the 18-55...

Originally posted by y0chang

I wonder if Nikon will stop selling APS-C dslrs and only sell Mirrorless in that price range.

If they can make them cheaper (likely) and command a higher price premium, then my thought is that they will. Low range DSLRs are commodity items at this point due to perceived quality/ price value. For me, the new camera replaces anything south of the D7500 (traditional consumer models, and up to the enthusiast space).

surfar · 10-13-2019, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by Clarkey

Now if they would seal the 18-55...

Its been updated and got wider and longer with WR.The 16-80mm!

---------- Post added 10-14-19 at 01:21 PM ----------

Originally posted by reh321

a time when they were selling only EOS-M amongst MILC.

So in 2018 they didn't sell any Rs?....they must have given a lot away then!

**FozzFoster** · 10-15-2019, 10:34 AM

Interesting commentary regarding the Z50:

You Tube

**Mbaez** · 10-15-2019, 10:39 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Interesting commentary regarding the Z50:

The Nikon Z50 is a HUGE Mistake - YouTube

I mostly agree with Tony this time.

surfar · 10-15-2019, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by Mbaez

I mostly agree with Tony this time.

He is well qualified for HUGE mistakes!

So are his subscribers!

**Mbaez** · 10-15-2019, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by surfar

He is well qualified for HUGE mistakes!

So are his subscribers!

I know, that's why I am surprised that I agree with him. 😋

reh321 · 10-22-2019, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by surfar

?????

Canon is number 1,from mainly selling Dslr.They have just announced the d90 which looks a reasonably capable piece of hardware.The Olympic big fast action body is imminent.

They got into FF mirrorless to fend off $$$ony from taking their client base.They will remain in Dslr until their is no market.That is when a phone can do everything!

Canon and Nikon both have adapters for their DSLR lenses, but Nikon is much like Pentax is - they approached 'purely electronic' slowly while trying to maintain consistency with the past, while Canon jumped to their EF-mount over thirty years ago; Canon now has a catalogue of over thirty years of AF lenses all of which can maintain their characteristics while adapted. Canon does have many DSLR users, but these users can now jump to MILC and take all of their lenses with them - that is not as true of Nikon {nor of Pentax}.

surfar · 10-22-2019, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Canon does have many DSLR users, but these users can now jump to MILC and take all of their lenses with them - that is not as true of Nikon {nor of Pentax}.

There are many Nikon lenses that transition to the mirrorless Z series.

Canon users can take their EF/s lenses to Canon Fuji Sony M43 and maybe L mount by now(?).

Pentax can take all their K mounts to their mirrorless body,the K-01

**RobA_Oz** · 10-22-2019, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Interesting commentary regarding the Z50:

The Nikon Z50 is a HUGE Mistake - YouTube

Nearly 13 minutes and piles of bandwidth to say something that could have been written in a couple of paragraphs.

Anyway, I agree with what he says, but whoever said the new Olympus OM-D EM5-iii would kill the Z50 was possibly more to the point.

surfar · 10-22-2019, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

whoever said the new Olympus OM-D EM5-iii would kill the Z50 was possibly more to the point.

Your brother said it,didn't you know?....I thought you 2 were pretty close!

**RobA_Oz** · 10-22-2019, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Your brother said it,didn't you know?....I thought you 2 were pretty close!

I imagine you agree with him.

surfar · 10-22-2019, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

I imagine you agree with him.

Ask him, hes right there!

**RobA_Oz** · 10-22-2019, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Ask him, hes right there!

Look over your shoulder...

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10-12-2019, 07:24 PM	#31
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,143	Originally posted by reh321 Canon is more likely to do that than Nikon is. ????? Canon is number 1,from mainly selling Dslr.They have just announced the d90 which looks a reasonably capable piece of hardware.The Olympic big fast action body is imminent. They got into FF mirrorless to fend off $$$ony from taking their client base.They will remain in Dslr until their is no market.That is when a phone can do everything!

10-13-2019, 03:41 PM	#32
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,184	Originally posted by surfar ????? Canon is number 1,from mainly selling Dslr.They have just announced the d90 which looks a reasonably capable piece of hardware.The Olympic big fast action body is imminent. They got into FF mirrorless to fend off $$$ony from taking their client base.They will remain in Dslr until their is no market.That is when a phone can do everything! I believe in 2018 the MILC leader in Japan was Canon, a time when they were selling only EOS-M amongst MILC. They will sell whatever they need to.

10-13-2019, 05:59 PM	#33
Clarkey Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brampton, ON, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,456	Originally posted by Mbaez I agree with you. Regarding their lenses, I have the feeling that Nikon is going to follow the same path with their new Z-DX that they did with DX: consumer grade lenses and no dedicated primes. Plus, this time they don't have Sigma's nor Tamron's help to fill the holes. Getting to this thread late. Although I mostly agree with you: 1. With the Z mount primes already available (35, 50), all they have to do is make wide primes for APS-C and they have a coherent system (unlike EOS-M, which desperately needs a fast medium telephoto). 2. Although not primes, with Sony F I N A L L Y releasing a fast zoom for APS-C, I don't think they can afford a slow kit zoom. 3. Sigma and Tamron will likely make primes and zooms for Z mount. Yes, Full frame, but they will be available. Originally posted by Mikesul It is kind of surprising that Nikon introduced an APS-C at this point. Personally, I think this is a test bed for the D500 replacement that must come at some point. ---------- Post added 10-13-2019 at 09:07 PM ---------- Originally posted by surfar There is a few gaps but they should be filled within a couple of years. ---------- Post added 10-13-19 at 10:30 AM ---------- You could get the FF with the kit zoom, it goes OK. ---------- Post added 10-13-19 at 10:42 AM ---------- Well,when you consider that their main rivals in the market place CanOny offer FF and Apsc,its no surprise that they want to offer their client base an option. Its competitive pricewise, that kit 16-50 makes it light and compact(what the 1 system used to be). You know that I shoot Fujifilm as well as Panasonic, but the lenses for Fuji keep getting bigger and bigger. I do like the "fujicrons" and the 23mm is still the reason I am in the system, but apart from that series, there isn't much that is weather-sealed or high-end that is compact. Now if they would seal the 18-55... Originally posted by y0chang I wonder if Nikon will stop selling APS-C dslrs and only sell Mirrorless in that price range. If they can make them cheaper (likely) and command a higher price premium, then my thought is that they will. Low range DSLRs are commodity items at this point due to perceived quality/ price value. For me, the new camera replaces anything south of the D7500 (traditional consumer models, and up to the enthusiast space).

10-13-2019, 07:18 PM	#34
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,143	Originally posted by Clarkey Now if they would seal the 18-55... Its been updated and got wider and longer with WR.The 16-80mm! ---------- Post added 10-14-19 at 01:21 PM ---------- Originally posted by reh321 a time when they were selling only EOS-M amongst MILC. So in 2018 they didn't sell any Rs?....they must have given a lot away then!

10-15-2019, 10:39 AM - 1 Like	#36
Mbaez Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: NY Photos: Albums Posts: 3,774	Originally posted by FozzFoster Interesting commentary regarding the Z50: The Nikon Z50 is a HUGE Mistake - YouTube I mostly agree with Tony this time.

10-15-2019, 04:48 PM	#37
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,143	Originally posted by Mbaez I mostly agree with Tony this time. He is well qualified for HUGE mistakes! So are his subscribers!

10-15-2019, 08:39 PM	#38
Mbaez Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: NY Photos: Albums Posts: 3,774	Originally posted by surfar He is well qualified for HUGE mistakes! So are his subscribers! I know, that's why I am surprised that I agree with him. 😋

10-22-2019, 02:09 PM	#39
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,184	Originally posted by surfar ????? Canon is number 1,from mainly selling Dslr.They have just announced the d90 which looks a reasonably capable piece of hardware.The Olympic big fast action body is imminent. They got into FF mirrorless to fend off $$$ony from taking their client base.They will remain in Dslr until their is no market.That is when a phone can do everything! Canon and Nikon both have adapters for their DSLR lenses, but Nikon is much like Pentax is - they approached 'purely electronic' slowly while trying to maintain consistency with the past, while Canon jumped to their EF-mount over thirty years ago; Canon now has a catalogue of over thirty years of AF lenses all of which can maintain their characteristics while adapted. Canon does have many DSLR users, but these users can now jump to MILC and take all of their lenses with them - that is not as true of Nikon {nor of Pentax}.

10-22-2019, 02:15 PM	#40
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,143	Originally posted by reh321 Canon does have many DSLR users, but these users can now jump to MILC and take all of their lenses with them - that is not as true of Nikon {nor of Pentax}. There are many Nikon lenses that transition to the mirrorless Z series. Canon users can take their EF/s lenses to Canon Fuji Sony M43 and maybe L mount by now(?). Pentax can take all their K mounts to their mirrorless body,the K-01

10-22-2019, 02:25 PM	#41
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by FozzFoster Interesting commentary regarding the Z50: The Nikon Z50 is a HUGE Mistake - YouTube Nearly 13 minutes and piles of bandwidth to say something that could have been written in a couple of paragraphs. Anyway, I agree with what he says, but whoever said the new Olympus OM-D EM5-iii would kill the Z50 was possibly more to the point.

10-22-2019, 02:32 PM	#42
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,143	Originally posted by RobA_Oz whoever said the new Olympus OM-D EM5-iii would kill the Z50 was possibly more to the point. Your brother said it,didn't you know?....I thought you 2 were pretty close!

10-22-2019, 02:40 PM	#43
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by surfar Your brother said it,didn't you know?....I thought you 2 were pretty close! I imagine you agree with him.

10-22-2019, 02:53 PM	#44
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,143	Originally posted by RobA_Oz I imagine you agree with him. Ask him, hes right there!

10-22-2019, 03:26 PM	#45
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by surfar Ask him, hes right there! Look over your shoulder...