Sigma FP

Sandy Hancock · 10-10-2019, 11:39 PM

I'm in no mind to switch platforms, but at first glance this looks rather cool....

**beachgardener** · 10-10-2019, 11:47 PM

wouldn't touch sigma with a forty foot barge pole

HoutHans · 10-11-2019, 02:24 AM - **1 Like**

I looks cool, because of the small uncluttered box that it is (like the hasselblad X1D looks cool), but without the foveon sensor, this is just another 24 mp full frame mirrorless that - to my mind - doesn't have too much going for it. I really wonder why Sigma is doing this? Have they got money to burn? They're rather late to an already overcrowded party where sales are on the decline. That seems masochist.

thazooo · 10-11-2019, 06:04 AM

I'm gonna sit and wait for the FF Foveon. I don't understand why they chose to bring out a regular sensor first .?.?.?

**Rondec** · 10-11-2019, 06:12 AM

Small, semi-functional camera? I guess I've used a K-01 for a long time, but I already owned a bunch of K mount lenses...

Ergonomics don't look so great, lenses aren't really there (and are really expensive), no viewfinder (I think one is sold separately), and the flash sync speed is 1/30 second (I guess because it doesn't have a mechanical shutter and has to use the electronic shutter for everything).

mannyquinto · 10-11-2019, 04:48 PM

What intrigues me about this model is its a small full frame camera. My exposure to film camera was the minox and minolta xa2 that my father gave to me. I wasn't yet into cameras back then. To me, they were just tools needed to take vacation and event pictures.Come 25 years later, here I am with a bunch of lenses but still prefer small form factor. It's the reason why I am with Pentax since they have one of the smallest, rugged, highly functional DSLR.

Its pricey though. If the reviews are OK and if I haven't been tempted by future barrage of low cost mirrorless cam bargains because of the on-going marketing war, then I will definitely consider it.

kadajawi · 10-12-2019, 01:46 PM - **1 Like**

Raw video when (probably) connected to an external SSD. Nuff said. This thing is insane... I expect it to find a nice audience, especially for video productions that can't afford an Arri Alexa. Weddings, advertising, TV productions. Content creators in general. Heck, it's probably so cheap (and certainly small enough) they may replace the Blackmagic cameras in big Hollywood productions.

"The SIGMA fp’s Cine mode comes with a variety of special functions that are comparable to those of professional cinema cameras. From shutter angle display and waveform display for exposure and color information, to zebra patterning, it comes with the functions and screen displays that can be used in the same way as with conventional cinema equipment.”
Jesus. Sigma also offers a PL mount adapter. They know exactly who this camera is for. It's the first time I truly understand why Sigma is even bothering creating cameras. Panasonic should be worried. Looking at the market, if given the choice between the Nikon Z6, Panasonic S1 or a Sony a7, my choice would probably be the Sigma (if there isn't any deal breaker). And that's despite not shooting that much video. But this thing has potential. The only problem (for me) is the lack of stabilization.

https://www.cinema5d.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/SIGMA-fp-_-featured2.jpg

That's a promo shot by Sigma, it seems.

I suppose this thing isn't meant for Pentax fans. This thing is about video. That's what you're paying for.

**kiwi_jono** · 10-14-2019, 02:41 PM

Certainly wouldn't consider replacing my K-1 with it, but I like the look of it.

Although ergonomics look dubious at best, and it will be interesting to see what the compromises are (battery life for a start I think).

**Serkevan** · 10-15-2019, 02:06 AM

From what I read it's a very good video camera (it also has a purposefully designed LCD loupe as optional VF) that happens to double as a diminutive stills camera as a side bonus.

The Squirrel Mafia · 10-15-2019, 09:11 AM

This camera seems to be more geared towards people that shoot more video & take less stills.

Coiseam · 10-15-2019, 12:33 PM

Interesting, what colours and autofocus will be like? I just don't know anything about Sigma non-foveon colour science.

In comparence with other brands both camera and lenses cost not THAT much. Anyway, it's always nice to have a wider choice.

Ira7 · 11-12-2019, 01:59 PM - **1 Like**

I’m pulling the trigger on this in a few weeks. The stores don’t have many of the accessories available yet, and the “final” firmware isn’t loaded. (No cinemagraphs, and who knows what needs “fixing.”)

They didn’t go with the Foveon sensor because it’s too slow in transmitting certain data in certain modes. (Don’t really understand it, but I think it had to do with logging data.)

And the way I figure it, Sigma is going to step up their game on lenses geared for fp users.

**TomB_tx** · 11-12-2019, 02:33 PM

The review images look good, reports on the construction quality are favorable, and of course Steve Huff is gaga over it, but for 50+ years I've always used cameras with a nice eye-level finder, and I'll never buy one without it. The "L-mount" does offer some nice lenses, and adapters are available for my old manual focus lenses, but if I were to go for an L-mount camera it would still be the Leica SL. It still holds up very well in comparison to the latest L-mount bodies, gets the best results with my old rangefinder lenses (due to the thin sensor cover glass and such), and the 24 MP images are more manageable. If the used price just drops a bit more...

Ira7 · 11-12-2019, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by TomB_tx

The review images look good, reports on the construction quality are favorable, and of course Steve Huff is gaga over it, but for 50+ years I've always used cameras with a nice eye-level finder, and I'll never buy one without it. The "L-mount" does offer some nice lenses, and adapters are available for my old manual focus lenses, but if I were to go for an L-mount camera it would still be the Leica SL. It still holds up very well in comparison to the latest L-mount bodies, gets the best results with my old rangefinder lenses (due to the thin sensor cover glass and such), and the 24 MP images are more manageable. If the used price just drops a bit more...

But what about the cine aspects, which is what this camera is all about?

**TomB_tx** · 11-12-2019, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Ira7

But what about the cine aspects, which is what this camera is all about?

The FP is also promoted as a still camera, which Steve Huff finds very useful for his way of shooting. I have no interest in cine.

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beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	wouldn't touch sigma with a forty foot barge pole

10-11-2019, 02:24 AM - 1 Like	#3
HoutHans Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Appingedam Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,119	I looks cool, because of the small uncluttered box that it is (like the hasselblad X1D looks cool), but without the foveon sensor, this is just another 24 mp full frame mirrorless that - to my mind - doesn't have too much going for it. I really wonder why Sigma is doing this? Have they got money to burn? They're rather late to an already overcrowded party where sales are on the decline. That seems masochist.

10-11-2019, 06:04 AM	#4
thazooo Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 854	I'm gonna sit and wait for the FF Foveon. I don't understand why they chose to bring out a regular sensor first .?.?.?

10-11-2019, 06:12 AM	#5
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Small, semi-functional camera? I guess I've used a K-01 for a long time, but I already owned a bunch of K mount lenses... Ergonomics don't look so great, lenses aren't really there (and are really expensive), no viewfinder (I think one is sold separately), and the flash sync speed is 1/30 second (I guess because it doesn't have a mechanical shutter and has to use the electronic shutter for everything).

10-11-2019, 04:48 PM	#6
mannyquinto Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: manila Posts: 152	What intrigues me about this model is its a small full frame camera. My exposure to film camera was the minox and minolta xa2 that my father gave to me. I wasn't yet into cameras back then. To me, they were just tools needed to take vacation and event pictures.Come 25 years later, here I am with a bunch of lenses but still prefer small form factor. It's the reason why I am with Pentax since they have one of the smallest, rugged, highly functional DSLR. Its pricey though. If the reviews are OK and if I haven't been tempted by future barrage of low cost mirrorless cam bargains because of the on-going marketing war, then I will definitely consider it.

10-12-2019, 01:46 PM - 1 Like	#7
kadajawi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,799	Raw video when (probably) connected to an external SSD. Nuff said. This thing is insane... I expect it to find a nice audience, especially for video productions that can't afford an Arri Alexa. Weddings, advertising, TV productions. Content creators in general. Heck, it's probably so cheap (and certainly small enough) they may replace the Blackmagic cameras in big Hollywood productions. "The SIGMA fp’s Cine mode comes with a variety of special functions that are comparable to those of professional cinema cameras. From shutter angle display and waveform display for exposure and color information, to zebra patterning, it comes with the functions and screen displays that can be used in the same way as with conventional cinema equipment.” Jesus. Sigma also offers a PL mount adapter. They know exactly who this camera is for. It's the first time I truly understand why Sigma is even bothering creating cameras. Panasonic should be worried. Looking at the market, if given the choice between the Nikon Z6, Panasonic S1 or a Sony a7, my choice would probably be the Sigma (if there isn't any deal breaker). And that's despite not shooting that much video. But this thing has potential. The only problem (for me) is the lack of stabilization. https://www.cinema5d.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/SIGMA-fp-_-featured2.jpg That's a promo shot by Sigma, it seems. I suppose this thing isn't meant for Pentax fans. This thing is about video. That's what you're paying for.

10-14-2019, 02:41 PM	#8
kiwi_jono Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,437	Certainly wouldn't consider replacing my K-1 with it, but I like the look of it. Although ergonomics look dubious at best, and it will be interesting to see what the compromises are (battery life for a start I think).

10-15-2019, 02:06 AM	#9
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	From what I read it's a very good video camera (it also has a purposefully designed LCD loupe as optional VF) that happens to double as a diminutive stills camera as a side bonus.

10-15-2019, 09:11 AM	#10
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,054	This camera seems to be more geared towards people that shoot more video & take less stills.

10-15-2019, 12:33 PM	#11
Coiseam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 205	Interesting, what colours and autofocus will be like? I just don't know anything about Sigma non-foveon colour science. In comparence with other brands both camera and lenses cost not THAT much. Anyway, it's always nice to have a wider choice.

11-12-2019, 01:59 PM - 1 Like	#12
Ira7 New Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13	I’m pulling the trigger on this in a few weeks. The stores don’t have many of the accessories available yet, and the “final” firmware isn’t loaded. (No cinemagraphs, and who knows what needs “fixing.”) They didn’t go with the Foveon sensor because it’s too slow in transmitting certain data in certain modes. (Don’t really understand it, but I think it had to do with logging data.) And the way I figure it, Sigma is going to step up their game on lenses geared for fp users.

11-12-2019, 02:33 PM	#13
TomB_tx Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,446	The review images look good, reports on the construction quality are favorable, and of course Steve Huff is gaga over it, but for 50+ years I've always used cameras with a nice eye-level finder, and I'll never buy one without it. The "L-mount" does offer some nice lenses, and adapters are available for my old manual focus lenses, but if I were to go for an L-mount camera it would still be the Leica SL. It still holds up very well in comparison to the latest L-mount bodies, gets the best results with my old rangefinder lenses (due to the thin sensor cover glass and such), and the 24 MP images are more manageable. If the used price just drops a bit more...

11-12-2019, 02:50 PM	#14
Ira7 New Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13	Originally posted by TomB_tx The review images look good, reports on the construction quality are favorable, and of course Steve Huff is gaga over it, but for 50+ years I've always used cameras with a nice eye-level finder, and I'll never buy one without it. The "L-mount" does offer some nice lenses, and adapters are available for my old manual focus lenses, but if I were to go for an L-mount camera it would still be the Leica SL. It still holds up very well in comparison to the latest L-mount bodies, gets the best results with my old rangefinder lenses (due to the thin sensor cover glass and such), and the 24 MP images are more manageable. If the used price just drops a bit more... But what about the cine aspects, which is what this camera is all about?

11-12-2019, 04:10 PM	#15
TomB_tx Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,446	Originally posted by Ira7 But what about the cine aspects, which is what this camera is all about? The FP is also promoted as a still camera, which Steve Huff finds very useful for his way of shooting. I have no interest in cine.