Tokina to Release 11-16mm f/2.8

**FozzFoster** · 10-15-2019, 08:55 AM

Hi all,

I've just seen on nokishita_c twitter account that Tokina will be releasing a 11-16mm f/2.8 lens.
It looks very similar to the Pentax 11-18mm f/2.8 - it seems to me that it even has the groove near the front element to support a de-condensation lens warming ring thing.. anyone know for sure if it's a rebranded Pentax?

nokishita_c does mention that the design is the same as the Opera. Was that not a rebranded Pentax too?
If so, good on Pentax for making money by selling it's designs to Canikon users

!

nokishita_c's twitter post #1

nokishita_c's twitter post #2

Attached Images

**Robin** · 10-15-2019, 09:04 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

If so, good on Pentax for making money by selling it's designs to Canikon users !

...and hopefully putting this money back into R&D for more Pentax lenses!

Kunzite · 10-15-2019, 09:11 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

I've just seen on nokishita_c twitter account that Tokina will be releasing a 11-16mm f/2.8 lens.
It looks very similar to the Pentax 11-18mm f/2.8 - it seems to me that it even has the groove near the front element to support a de-condensation lens warming ring thing.. anyone know for sure if it's a rebranded Pentax?

It doesn't look similar to the Pentax, there's no resemblance besides the normal ones (that it's a lens, a zoom, an ultra wide-angle with specific focal lengths and max aperture) and it doesn't have the groove.

**FozzFoster** · 10-15-2019, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

(that it's a lens, a zoom, an ultra wide-angle with specific focal lengths and max aperture)

Thanks for the response! And I guess I'm wrong in my guessing! haha

nokishita mentions:
"It seems that Tokiner's “atx-i 11-16mm F2.8 CF” will be released on November 8. Mount for Canon and Nikon. The suggested retail price is 56,000 yen + tax (mass retailer price is around 54,800 yen including tax). The design is the same as opera. It will probably be announced this week. #rumor"

Isn't the Opera a Pentax rebrand?

**Mbaez** · 10-15-2019, 09:30 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Thanks for the response! And I guess I'm wrong in my guessing! haha

nokishita mentions:
"It seems that Tokiner's “atx-i 11-16mm F2.8 CF” will be released on November 8. Mount for Canon and Nikon. The suggested retail price is 56,000 yen + tax (mass retailer price is around 54,800 yen including tax). The design is the same as opera. It will probably be announced this week. #rumor"

Isn't the Opera a Pentax rebrand?

Only the Tokina 50mm, not their 16-28, and not this one.

**FozzFoster** · 10-15-2019, 09:36 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mbaez

Only the Tokina 50mm, not their 16-28, and not this one.

Thanks for the comments! Now I know!

Kunzite · 10-15-2019, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Thanks for the response!
[...]
Isn't the Opera a Pentax rebrand?

You're welcome.
No, it isn't - Opera is a Tokina designation for a line of lenses (which includes the D FA* 50mm f/1.4 remade as Tokina, and a Tokina lens - the 16-28mm f/2.8).

**Mbaez** · 10-15-2019, 10:45 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Thanks for the comments! Now I know!

You're welcome! (Y)

zapp · 10-15-2019, 10:51 AM

Whatever, someone pays development two companies make sales... so, Tokina where is your 1.4/85mm. In cine mount it available Pentax.

gavinhw · 10-15-2019, 08:48 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Hi all,

I've just seen on nokishita_c twitter account that Tokina will be releasing a 11-16mm f/2.8 lens.
It looks very similar to the Pentax 11-18mm f/2.8 - it seems to me that it even has the groove near the front element to support a de-condensation lens warming ring thing.. anyone know for sure if it's a rebranded Pentax?

nokishita_c does mention that the design is the same as the Opera. Was that not a rebranded Pentax too?
If so, good on Pentax for making money by selling it's designs to Canikon users

!

nokishita_c's twitter post #1

nokishita_c's twitter post #2

The Pentax version, based on the picture, looks almost identical to the Tokina, aside from minor cosmetics. We'll know for sure when the full specs are released.

Kunzite · 10-16-2019, 06:07 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by gavinhw

The Pentax version, based on the picture, looks almost identical to the Tokina, aside from minor cosmetics. We'll know for sure when the full specs are released.

And in which way you'd expect it to be different - given the similar (not identical) specifications?

Mistral75 · 10-16-2019, 11:19 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Hi all,

I've just seen on nokishita_c twitter account that Tokina will be releasing a 11-16mm f/2.8 lens.
It looks very similar to the Pentax 11-18mm f/2.8 - it seems to me that it even has the groove near the front element to support a de-condensation lens warming ring thing.. anyone know for sure if it's a rebranded Pentax?

(...)

The Tokina atx-i 11-16mm f/2.8 CF will be the third iteration of the Tokina AT-X Pro 11-16mm f/2.8 DX from 2007, the second one being the Tokina AT-X Pro 11-16mm f/2.8 DX II launched in 2012.

Tokina also have the AT-X Pro 11-20 mm f/2,8 DX in their portfolio. They launched this one in 2015.

For obvious reasons, commencing with the focal range, none of these lenses is a rebranded HD Pentax-DA★ 11-18mm f/2,8 ED DC AW nor is the Pentax lens a rebranded Tokina (the DA★'s optical formula was patented by Ricoh).

Originally posted by FozzFoster

(...)

nokishita_c does mention that the design is the same as the Opera. Was that not a rebranded Pentax too?
(...)

The Tokina opera 50mm f/1.4 FF is a rebranded Pentax HD Pentax-D FA★ 50mm f/1.4 SDM AW. The Tokina opera 16-28mm f/2.8 FF is a rehoused Tokina AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 Pro FX, a lens launched in 2010.

Mistral75 · 10-16-2019, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by zapp

Whatever, someone pays development two companies make sales... so, Tokina where is your 1.4/85mm. In cine mount it available Pentax.

I'm not sure to understand what you intended to say. Let's just say that if Tokina indeed have a 50mm T/1.5 and a 85mm T/1.5 in their portfolio of cine lenses, the optical formula of the former is different from that of the HD Pentax-D FA★ 50mm f/1.4 SDM AW / Tokina opera 50mm f/1.4 FF.

Mistral75 · 10-16-2019, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by gavinhw

The Pentax version, based on the picture, looks almost identical to the Tokina, aside from minor cosmetics. We'll know for sure when the full specs are released.

Please enlighten me and tell me what more we need than the focal length range (11-16mm and 11-20mm for the Tokina lenses, 11-18mm for the Pentax lens) to know 'for sure' that the soon to be announced Tokina atx-i 11-16mm f/2.8 CF is not a rebranded HD Pentax-DA★ 11-18mm f/2,8 ED DC AW.

Mistral75 · 10-16-2019, 11:28 AM - **1 Like**

By the way: in the lens's name, Tokina atx-i 11-16mm f/2.8 CF, CF is for Crop Frame, i.e. this is an APS-C lens.

Tokina used to name FX their 24x36 lenses and DX their APS-C lenses. Maybe this was deemed to be too nikonish? Whatever the reason, their latest 24x36 lenses have been qualified as 'FF' and this one is the first to be qualified as 'CF'.

10-16-2019, 06:07 AM - 1 Like	#11
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by gavinhw The Pentax version, based on the picture, looks almost identical to the Tokina, aside from minor cosmetics. We'll know for sure when the full specs are released. And in which way you'd expect it to be different - given the similar (not identical) specifications? Last edited by Kunzite; 10-16-2019 at 06:18 AM.

10-16-2019, 11:28 AM - 1 Like	#15
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	By the way: in the lens's name, Tokina atx-i 11-16mm f/2.8 CF, CF is for Crop Frame, i.e. this is an APS-C lens. Tokina used to name FX their 24x36 lenses and DX their APS-C lenses. Maybe this was deemed to be too nikonish? Whatever the reason, their latest 24x36 lenses have been qualified as 'FF' and this one is the first to be qualified as 'CF'. Last edited by Mistral75; 10-16-2019 at 11:53 AM.

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10-15-2019, 08:55 AM	#1
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808	Tokina to Release 11-16mm f/2.8 Hi all, I've just seen on nokishita_c twitter account that Tokina will be releasing a 11-16mm f/2.8 lens. It looks very similar to the Pentax 11-18mm f/2.8 - it seems to me that it even has the groove near the front element to support a de-condensation lens warming ring thing.. anyone know for sure if it's a rebranded Pentax? nokishita_c does mention that the design is the same as the Opera. Was that not a rebranded Pentax too? If so, good on Pentax for making money by selling it's designs to Canikon users ! nokishita_c's twitter post #1 nokishita_c's twitter post #2 Attached Images

10-15-2019, 09:04 AM - 2 Likes	#2
Robin Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Pietermaritzburg Photos: Gallery Posts: 433	Originally posted by FozzFoster If so, good on Pentax for making money by selling it's designs to Canikon users ! ...and hopefully putting this money back into R&D for more Pentax lenses!

10-15-2019, 09:11 AM - 1 Like	#3
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by FozzFoster I've just seen on nokishita_c twitter account that Tokina will be releasing a 11-16mm f/2.8 lens. It looks very similar to the Pentax 11-18mm f/2.8 - it seems to me that it even has the groove near the front element to support a de-condensation lens warming ring thing.. anyone know for sure if it's a rebranded Pentax? It doesn't look similar to the Pentax, there's no resemblance besides the normal ones (that it's a lens, a zoom, an ultra wide-angle with specific focal lengths and max aperture) and it doesn't have the groove.

10-15-2019, 09:16 AM	#4
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite (that it's a lens, a zoom, an ultra wide-angle with specific focal lengths and max aperture) Thanks for the response! And I guess I'm wrong in my guessing! haha nokishita mentions: "It seems that Tokiner's “atx-i 11-16mm F2.8 CF” will be released on November 8. Mount for Canon and Nikon. The suggested retail price is 56,000 yen + tax (mass retailer price is around 54,800 yen including tax). The design is the same as opera. It will probably be announced this week. #rumor" Isn't the Opera a Pentax rebrand?

10-15-2019, 09:30 AM - 1 Like	#5
Mbaez Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: NY Photos: Albums Posts: 3,774	Originally posted by FozzFoster Thanks for the response! And I guess I'm wrong in my guessing! haha nokishita mentions: "It seems that Tokiner's “atx-i 11-16mm F2.8 CF” will be released on November 8. Mount for Canon and Nikon. The suggested retail price is 56,000 yen + tax (mass retailer price is around 54,800 yen including tax). The design is the same as opera. It will probably be announced this week. #rumor" Isn't the Opera a Pentax rebrand? Only the Tokina 50mm, not their 16-28, and not this one.

10-15-2019, 09:36 AM - 1 Like	#6
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808 Original Poster	Originally posted by Mbaez Only the Tokina 50mm, not their 16-28, and not this one. Thanks for the comments! Now I know!

10-15-2019, 10:38 AM	#7
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by FozzFoster Thanks for the response! [...] Isn't the Opera a Pentax rebrand? You're welcome. No, it isn't - Opera is a Tokina designation for a line of lenses (which includes the D FA* 50mm f/1.4 remade as Tokina, and a Tokina lens - the 16-28mm f/2.8).

10-15-2019, 10:45 AM - 1 Like	#8
Mbaez Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: NY Photos: Albums Posts: 3,774	Originally posted by FozzFoster Thanks for the comments! Now I know! You're welcome! (Y)

10-15-2019, 10:51 AM	#9
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,388	Whatever, someone pays development two companies make sales... so, Tokina where is your 1.4/85mm. In cine mount it available Pentax.

10-15-2019, 08:48 PM - 1 Like	#10
gavinhw Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 145	Originally posted by FozzFoster Hi all, I've just seen on nokishita_c twitter account that Tokina will be releasing a 11-16mm f/2.8 lens. It looks very similar to the Pentax 11-18mm f/2.8 - it seems to me that it even has the groove near the front element to support a de-condensation lens warming ring thing.. anyone know for sure if it's a rebranded Pentax? nokishita_c does mention that the design is the same as the Opera. Was that not a rebranded Pentax too? If so, good on Pentax for making money by selling it's designs to Canikon users ! nokishita_c's twitter post #1 nokishita_c's twitter post #2 The Pentax version, based on the picture, looks almost identical to the Tokina, aside from minor cosmetics. We'll know for sure when the full specs are released.

10-16-2019, 11:19 AM - 1 Like	#12
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by FozzFoster Hi all, I've just seen on nokishita_c twitter account that Tokina will be releasing a 11-16mm f/2.8 lens. It looks very similar to the Pentax 11-18mm f/2.8 - it seems to me that it even has the groove near the front element to support a de-condensation lens warming ring thing.. anyone know for sure if it's a rebranded Pentax? (...) The Tokina atx-i 11-16mm f/2.8 CF will be the third iteration of the Tokina AT-X Pro 11-16mm f/2.8 DX from 2007, the second one being the Tokina AT-X Pro 11-16mm f/2.8 DX II launched in 2012. Tokina also have the AT-X Pro 11-20 mm f/2,8 DX in their portfolio. They launched this one in 2015. For obvious reasons, commencing with the focal range, none of these lenses is a rebranded HD Pentax-DA★ 11-18mm f/2,8 ED DC AW nor is the Pentax lens a rebranded Tokina (the DA★'s optical formula was patented by Ricoh). Originally posted by FozzFoster (...) nokishita_c does mention that the design is the same as the Opera. Was that not a rebranded Pentax too? (...) The Tokina opera 50mm f/1.4 FF is a rebranded Pentax HD Pentax-D FA★ 50mm f/1.4 SDM AW. The Tokina opera 16-28mm f/2.8 FF is a rehoused Tokina AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 Pro FX, a lens launched in 2010.

10-16-2019, 11:23 AM	#13
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by zapp Whatever, someone pays development two companies make sales... so, Tokina where is your 1.4/85mm. In cine mount it available Pentax. I'm not sure to understand what you intended to say. Let's just say that if Tokina indeed have a 50mm T/1.5 and a 85mm T/1.5 in their portfolio of cine lenses, the optical formula of the former is different from that of the HD Pentax-D FA★ 50mm f/1.4 SDM AW / Tokina opera 50mm f/1.4 FF.

10-16-2019, 11:25 AM	#14
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by gavinhw The Pentax version, based on the picture, looks almost identical to the Tokina, aside from minor cosmetics. We'll know for sure when the full specs are released. Please enlighten me and tell me what more we need than the focal length range (11-16mm and 11-20mm for the Tokina lenses, 11-18mm for the Pentax lens) to know 'for sure' that the soon to be announced Tokina atx-i 11-16mm f/2.8 CF is not a rebranded HD Pentax-DA★ 11-18mm f/2,8 ED DC AW.