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01-12-2020, 10:05 AM - 1 Like   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by surfar Quote
The new 20mp should get the Dslr up there,it's but a forerunner of the 2024 M/L speedster though!

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They haven't left the mount,if the demands there they will supply.

It's vastly different to the FD to EF transition.
The 1D series is not a high sales volume camera. Its a flagship. It won't have much impact on the numbers and its probably the last or second to last of the 1D series that will be released. I think the mount will continue to be supported for years and years to come. There are too many lenses and too much 3rd party support for the system. Really Canon is to the point where they have completed the system and they can work on a 2nd system.


I think the new RF system has a lot of potential and I like what Canon is doing with the lenses. Canon's problem is that they have been comfortable & lazy for the last 10 years (poor management). You have to go back to the 5DII to find a camera that really was innovative for its time. Canon use to be an innovative company. EOS-3 and EOS/RT were great cameras (I owned both). The 5D (original) was my first FF digital and for its time it was a great value. But since those days Canon has been trailing Nikon and more recently Sony when it comes to innovation. Canon had an early advantage with sensor technology and AF. Where Canon made a big mistake is that they didn't sell sensors to others. They thought that by keeping it to themselves they could stay on top of the market. That of course left a vacuum in the industry and Sony stepped up and filled it. By selling sensors to anyone and everyone Sony has been able to take advantage of volume and has had the cash to re-invest in R&D to the point they dominate the market. Its a position that Canon could have been in if they had better management. Maybe the Fuji-Sumsung collaboration will provide some competition. Tower-Jazz makes great sensors capable of great image quality. Someone needs to challenge Sony sensors and keep pushing them forward and it doesn't look like it will be Canon.

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'Canon used to be an innovative company': another example, they were the first to use CMOS sensors instead of CCD sensors. Sony overtook them later on by performing on-chip analog/digital signal conversion (Exmor technology), a technology Canon first used in 2019 in their 33 MP APS-C sensor (EOS 90D and EOS M6 Mark II). In the meantime Sony had launched BSI sensors (Exmor R), then stacked sensors (Exmor RS), then sensors including RAM to speed up sensor reading and reduce rolling shutter effect.
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QuoteOriginally posted by beholder3 Quote
Canon currently has 96 (!) original Canon EF/EF-S DSLR lenses in the best and most complete lens portfolio of any manufacturer.

And a paltry 10 RF FF DSLM lenses (plus 11 EF-M lenses).

Sony has 32 FF DSLM lenses.

Unless they want to kill off their R system right away they simply have to focus on RF-glass in the medium term.
That paltry 10 will become a paltry 20 by year's end and probably match or surpass $ony crop sized mount ....add the 3 different adapters which work flawlessly and Canon shooters who buy R system can look forward to some nice glass.

$ony started with 4 lenses and took 7years to build to where they are now,it will take Canon half that time to get to 32!
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I think Canon is doing great with their lens strategy, meanwhile, Nikon...

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Not too far away till some major announcements, likely the hiRes body with a couple of lenses.

RF mount will expand the fastest of the FF M/L systems
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QuoteOriginally posted by surfar Quote
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RF mount will expand the fastest of the FF M/L systems
This remains to be seen, in particular among third-party lens manufacturers, which the larger user base of Sony E cameras appeals more to.

For instance, 30 RF mount lenses were launched in 2019 (of which six by Canon and 24 by third-party manufacturers) versus 49 E mount lenses (of which six by Sony, same as Canon, and 43 by third-party manufacturers).
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Death of EF mount, as suspected.

The lenses don't stop working just because the manufacturer puts all their gambling chips on a new platform, and there are plenty in warehouses and in circulation for people to buy, though.

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^ There are also plenty to be manufactured. Canon have stopped developing new EF lenses, not manufacturing the existing ones.

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^ There are also plenty to be manufactured. Canon have stopped developing new EF lenses, not manufacturing the existing ones.
Sure, but if you are someone who needs new, shiny gear all of the time, it seems as though EF mount isn't where Canon is investing their R and D at this point.

There will continue to be some new EF cameras over time, but it sure sounds like Canon is backing off putting much effort into them -- except, I suppose for the top end of things, like the 1Dx series.
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^ There are also plenty to be manufactured. Canon have stopped developing new EF lenses, not manufacturing the existing ones.
I think they'll stop making those too at some point, like FD mount.


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I think they'll stop making those too at some point, like FD mount.
You might be right, but FD to EF is not the same as EF to RF. Not designed for auto-focus to designed for all electronic auto-focus is a bigger change than going from a 44mm registration distance to 20mm. Also, the transition to EF was supported by the transition to first, auto-focus cameras from the world's largest camera manufacturer and second, the digital camera revolution which put a DSLR in every pot.

Today, the digital camera industry has one-eight as many customers as it did 10 years ago. There is a full line of cameras already developed to use EF lenses that have already been developed, to do everything useful that EOS-R and RF lenses can do and a few things the R-Combo can't. Even the world's largest camera manufacturer isn't going to convert its operations to support a new system at the expense of a fully amortized system, especially when the established system is in no danger of becoming obsolete and there aren't enough potential customers for the new system to compensate for kissing off existing customers.

In my opinion, it is more likely that either Z-mount or RF-mount will be abandoned before F-mount and EF-mount, simply because you can always adapt the old mounts to the new ones, but not the other way around and in today's shrunken industry, the population of E-mount lenses is larger than Z or RF will ever be. Lenses are forever, the only way a mount will die is if cameras are no longer being built that can use that mount and even in the very unlikely event Canon stops making EF mount cameras before RF mount ones, it still makes more business sense for Canon to keep building existing EF-mount designs that can be used with R cameras.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RGlasel Quote
In my opinion, it is more likely that either Z-mount or RF-mount will be abandoned before F-mount and EF-mount,
When is that going to happen?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Canon have stopped developing new EF lenses
The interview seems to indicate unless "the market demands it".

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This remains to be seen
Keep watching!

As for 3rd parties when SigTamTok get in,the numbers will escalate.As well as the emerging Chinese lens developers.
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